Ten Commandments on Display Has No Legal Standing

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[Maelstrom]

The last one you listed is codified for most jobs in the public sector.

[sinkspur]

Prohibition of a particular religion on public lands is just as much a crime as prohibition of any or all of them.

Religious advocacy is prohibited by a government official in his official capacity. That's what Moore is doing.

How is not having the Ten Commandments on display in the foyer of the Alabama Supreme Court persecuting Christianity?

[Arthur McGowan]

Congress is not prohibited from making laws which touch upon religious issues, or even laws which outlaw certain "religious" practices. An "establishment of religion" is a CHURCH. There is to be no congressionally established church or religion for the United States. The First Amendment does not prohibit a state church in Alabama, or any other state. And the Civil War amendments did NOT change the meaning of "Congress" to "Alabama" or "Delaware" or any other state. The point Judge Moore is making is that every state and federal judge who rules on the basis of bogus "doctrines" rather than the text of the law is violating his oath of office. This is why they will destroy him. He is exposing their hypocrisy and their tyranny.

[Arthur McGowan]

Religious advocacy is prohibited by a government official in his official capacity. That's what Moore is doing.

The First Amendment does not prohibit "religious advocacy by a government official." The First Amendment prohibits the establishment of a national church by Congress. So you must be referring to some law other than the First Amendment. What is it?

[Maelstrom]

No.

That's what you guys are doing...

You're advocating against religion. Government isn't supposed to CARE about religion, it isn't supposed to abhor it.

You're part of a situation where religion is quickly becoming prohibited.

That is bigotry on your part. It is religious *intolerance*. It is the exact opposite of the meaning of the 1st Amendment.

You cannot abhor all religions equally and consider yourself somehow "tolerant" any more than you can hate all minorities equally and consider yourself non-racist.

[Pahuanui]

As for Moore, I don't care what he thinks, I'm more concerned with the persecution Christianity is suffering at the hands of anti-religious bigots throughout America.

Please detail exactly how Christians, on a mass scale, have been prevented from praying, going to church, attempting to convert others, sending bibles to those they think might need them, advertising their services, helping the needy, etc...

Please note that examples involving the use of gov't funds, property or time-on-the-clock are not applicable.

In the meantime, I'll call a whaaaaaambulance for you.

[Maelstrom]

Christianity?
or
Judeoism?
or
Islam?

It's a prohibition of religion, sinkspur. Advocating it's removal is a clear demonstration of anti-religious bigotry.

[Maelstrom]

I'm sorry...

You seem to be part of the deluded sect of humanists who seem to think that so long as people are *ALLOWED* to do something, within specific places...perhaps at proscribed times...and with or without strict regulation...that their activity hasn't been infringed upon.

There's no logic for such a position...quite honestly...so I'm not sure how to debate you.

[sinkspur]

You're part of a situation where religion is quickly becoming prohibited.

So not displaying the 10 Commandments in a public building is prohibiting religion?

Did you know that only two percent of Christian Churches in America display the 10 Commandments?

If the Churches don't display them, why should the government display them?

[Roscoe]

Religious advocacy is prohibited by a government official in his official capacity.

The Ten Commandments and the monument aren't government officials, your fan-dancing notwithstanding.

[Roscoe]

If the Churches don't display them, why should the government display them?

Hey, let's have federal district court judges decide such policy questions! It's not like we can ever have enough legislation from the bench.

[sinkspur]

You cannot abhor all religions equally and consider yourself somehow "tolerant" any more than you can hate all minorities equally and consider yourself non-racist.

Moore abhors all religions but the Christian one. He believes that Hindus, and Moslems, and Buddhists have rights in this country only because they're given them by Judeo-Christianity.

You think someone who wants government to be neutral toward religious expression hates religion.

Would you have a problem with a Muslim Supreme Court Justice (there is one, in one of the Western states) erecting a monument to the Koran in a public building?

[sinkspur]

Christianity?
or
Judeoism?
or
Islam?

It's a prohibition of religion, sinkspur. Advocating it's removal is a clear demonstration of anti-religious bigotry.

At least you're consistent. It appears you would have no problem with a Muslim Justice placing a Koran in a prominent place in a public building.

[robertpaulsen]

"Check out what he thinks about Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists, and that they have no rights in this country except those rights given to them by the Judeo-Christian religion."

How does removing the Ten Commandments from public display at the Alabama Court Building change his thinking?

[Natural Law]

This is not a debate over the 10 Commandments, it is a debate over Federalsim and the Constitution. When the 1st Ammendment states that "Congress shall make no laws" it is clearly stating that this is NOT an issue over which the Federal Government has any authority. Further, the Constitution, in the 10th Ammendment, clearly reserves the the authority to the states and the people respectively.

[jlogajan]

I agree that the first four appear to reference religious ideology more than the rest that reference morality and common sense.

Of the remaining six, three really shouldn't be regulated by law:

5. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

And the remaining three are indeed common ideas in law that are explicitly found in the Code of Hammurabi, which pre-dates the Old Testament:

6. Thou shalt not kill.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

So out of these 10 Commandments, only three really have any business in secular law -- and they aren't original with the 10 Commandments anyhow, as they are recorded in human history before the establishment of the Old Testament.

[evangmlw]

Why do we enforce "Thy shalt not murder?" Seems to me that someone is forcing there religion on us here. Why does society force this law of negating my right to murder someone? Here is the fallacy of your statement. No one in this country is forcing anyone to follow the Ten Commandments!

By the way, the fourth commandment is no longer in effect! Shows your theological ignorance here as well. It's the only one of the ten that Jesus did not reconfirm. Let me ask you this my friend. If the world today, immediately began to follow the nine remaining commandments left on the books, would this be a better world? To answer no would show not only your ignorance, but stupidity as well.

The commandments are basic spiritual laws that will destroy any society or nation that negates and ignores them. Here's the principle! "The nation that forgets GOD, will be turned into HELL." Now you understand why this country is on a downhill spiral, rolling down hill, like a snowball headed for hell.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."

[Cold Heat]

Religious advocacy is prohibited by a government official in his official capac.......

Come on Sink! You stated the argument exactly. You said "religious" advocacy.

The constitution allows and protects religious advocacy, but not the advocacy of one religion. My point is that the commandments only advocate God, and not any particular religion. At least not one that is evident.

What is it? A secret religion?

Anyway, that is the way I see it. Some may see this as an attack on Christianity. I think that is not correct.

This is a blatant attempt to remove God from all that is public. Not just religion. And that, is unconstitutional. This is where I draw the line.

[jlogajan]

Why do we enforce "Thy shalt not murder?" Seems to me that someone is forcing there religion on us here.

Even in the animal kingdom, animals fight in defense of self, family and herd. Similarly human history finds humans defending self, family and tribe. It is a natural instinct. It has nothing to do with religious beliefs.

[sinkspur]

This is a blatant attempt to remove God from all that is public.

Then how do you explain the 10 Commandments' presence at the US Supreme Court, and in the Texas Supreme Court building, all without a peep from any court, anywhere?

See, to me, this isn't about the 10 Commandments; it's about Roy Moore and the next step on his career ladder.