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Muslim world is more peaceful than media would have us believe
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 8/25/2003 | Gwynne Dyer

Posted on 08/25/2003 9:33:18 PM PDT by Utah Girl

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To: Utah Girl
Yep, they'll smile at you has they stick the knife in your back.
22 posted on 08/25/2003 10:16:04 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Utah Girl
A Startling Lack of the Vision Thing

It’s perfectly all right for the United States to slap the rest of the world in the face once in a while, if the rest of the world is wrong or just to defend its own vital national interests. But it should be done for national interests, not private ones, and it should be done in ways that cause the least possible offence. That is not what's happening now.

Consider only the past month. In the second week of July, the Bush administration told Congress that its ballistic missile defence project would "bump up against" the constraints of the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty "within months".

Never mind that it's a stupid idea; just look at how it's being done. The ABM Treaty allows either party to withdraw unilaterally on six months' notice, but no such notice has been given. The US is just going to breach the treaty illegally.

In the third week of July, US negotiators at a UN conference aimed at curbing the global trade in small arms effectively killed the initiative.

The country that produces over half of the world's small arms blocked any restrictions on private gun ownership, and vetoed an African-backed proposal to ban arms sales to "non-state actors" (ie, the guerilla groups who are ravaging so many African countries). "The US should be ashamed," said South African envoy Jean Du Preez.

Late in July it was the turn of the 1972 treaty outlawing germ warfare. For six years, 56 countries have been negotiating a supplementary treaty that would create verification rules and international inspectors to enforce what was previously just a pious pledge not to produce biological weapons.

Fifty-five of those countries had agreed on a 200-page draft protocol and suddenly, on July 25, the US declared that it could not agree because US pharmaceutical plants, which dominate the world market, would then be open to inspection too, thus jeopardising commercial secrecy.

It's as if every interest group gets to make policy.

And so it goes. Last week Thomas Novotny, the lead US negotiator for the past decade on the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, suddenly resigned his post. Colleagues say that it was over frustration at the sudden US switch from a policy that sought to restrict cigarette advertising and marketing to one that basically echoes the tobacco industry's positions.

It's as if there was nobody in charge, so that every bureaucratic or industrial interest group with access to the Bush administration gets to make policy for its own bit of the picture. If George W. Bush were really running the show, there would at least be a coherent strategic vision, and maybe tactics to match. But you just have to look at the frequent anguish on his face as he struggles to find his way to the end of the sentence to suspect that he may not be up to the challenge.

IQ tests are notoriously unreliable, and we all know that "IQ" does not correspond very closely to executive ability. But the Lovenstein Institute's conclusions about George W. Bush are nevertheless illuminating.

The Lovenstein Institute, based in Scranton, Pennsylvania, has long published an IQ for each new president, based on his academic performance, writings "achieved without aid of staff", linguistic clarity, and so on.

It's rough and ready stuff, but it awarded Bill Clinton an astonishing IQ of 182 (the average in the US today is around 104), which largely conforms to one's previous impression that the man was useless but brilliant.

Jimmy Carter got 175, John F. Kennedy got 174, and Richard Nixon got 155: very clever men all, though with few accomplishments to show for it. By contrast, the mid-range men like Franklin D. Roosevelt (147), Harry Truman (132), Lyndon Johnson (126), Dwight D. Eisenhower (122), Gerald Ford (121) and Ronald Reagan (105) all had a major impact on affairs (except Ford, of course).

At the other end are the Bushes. Even the father only scored 98, but he did seem in charge of his White House. He was, after all, a man with long service in bureaucratic wars and much foreign experience as well. But George W. Bush has no such background, and the Lovenstein Institute estimates his IQ at 91.

An IQ of 91 does not mean you are stupid. It means that you are more intelligent than at least a quarter of the American population. But it probably does not equip you to run large and complex enterprises or deal with the clever and ruthless operators who inhabit the upper reaches of Washington politics, bureaucracy and lobbydom.

It is a harsh and an early verdict, but maybe things are spinning out of control just because they are smarter than he is.

(Gwynn Dyer in The Canberra (AU) Times, August 7, 2001)
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=your%20say&story_id=74239

We Have a Winner

The envelope please. And the World's Laziest Columnist is … Gwynne Dyer!

We know what you're thinking: Who the heck is she? Actually, Gwynne's a guy, and according to his bio on this page, he is "one of Canada's media renaissance men, an outstanding journalist, broadcaster, producer, author and filmmaker who now makes his home in London." He claims his syndicated column appears in 150 newspapers, but we found the column that won him this coveted award in only three: Australia's Canberra Times, New Zealand's Southland Times and New Jersey's Newark Star-Ledger.

So how is Dyer lazy? Let us count the ways. First, the premise of his column is the most tiresome cliché around: that President Bush is not too bright. When the Star-Ledger ran the column last Tuesday, it gave it the oh-so-subtle headline "Too Dull-Witted to Lead."

Second, Dyer offers the following "evidence" of Bush's supposed intellectual shortcomings:

IQ tests are notoriously unreliable, and we all know that "IQ" does not correspond very closely to executive ability. But the Lovenstein Institute's conclusions about George W. Bush are nevertheless illuminating.

The Lovenstein Institute, based in Scranton, Pennsylvania, has long published an IQ for each new president, based on his academic performance, writings "achieved without aid of staff," linguistic clarity, and so on.

It's rough and ready stuff, but it awarded Bill Clinton an astonishing IQ of 182 (the average in the U.S. today is around 104), which largely conforms to one's previous impression that the man was useless but brilliant. …

At the other end are the Bushes. Even the father only scored 98, but he did seem in charge of his White House. He was, after all, a man with long service in bureaucratic wars and much foreign experience as well. But George W. Bush has no such background, and the Lovenstein Institute estimates his IQ at 91. … It is a harsh and an early verdict, but maybe things are spinning out of control just because they are smarter than he is.

There's just one problem, and we'll let the Star-Ledger explain it. On Saturday the Jersey paper ran the following correction (which we couldn't find on its Web site):

A column by Gwynne Dyer on Tuesday's op-ed page contained incorrect information. The column cited a study by the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pa., that concluded President Bush had the lowest IQ of any recent president. There is no Lovenstein Institute in Scranton, Pa., and no such study was conducted.

U.S. News & World Report (fifth item) pegs the "Lovenstein study" as an "Internet hoax," and the excellent Snopes.com urban-legend site has a thorough debunking.

So Dyer is citing a canard to confirm a cliché. But we have not finished plumbing the depths of his intellectual indolence. It turns out even in being duped he was merely being derivative. All of the "information" about the "study" that Dyer included in his "column" had appeared in London's left-wing Guardian nearly three weeks earlier, and Dyer doesn't even "credit" the Guardian for its "reporting"!

We actually saw the Guardian piece back in July and thought about excerpting it for our How Others See U.S. feature. But the story seemed far-fetched to us, so we checked it out by running a Yahoo! search, which turned up no evidence of the institute's existence. Accordingly, we dropped the idea of using the Guardian column.

Now, we don't mean to pat ourselves on the back for our diligence. Conducting that search took us no more than 10 seconds. Our point is that Gwynne Dyer was too lazy to do even that minimal amount of work. Canada's renaissance man indeed.

-snip-

(James Taranto in The Wall Street Journal Opinion Journal, August 13, 2001)
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=95000961

23 posted on 08/25/2003 10:26:31 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: jk4hc4
I didn't write the editorial, and I totally don't agree with it either. I POSTED the article, so you may want to direct your remarks towards the author, Gwynne Dyer.
24 posted on 08/25/2003 10:34:38 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: quidnunc
Great research! Thanks for posting.
25 posted on 08/25/2003 10:35:18 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: vpintheak
BTTT
26 posted on 08/25/2003 10:38:53 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Utah Girl
Why post this garbage WITHOUT a barf alert????
27 posted on 08/25/2003 10:42:19 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Utah Girl
this is just a barely thought out hit piece on why we terrible Americans are persecuting those lovely Muslim folk who live lives of complete non-violence, and aren't we bad because no one pays attention to the Basque separatist...

I can , however, envision most Arab people as peaceful, although it seems in every Arab nation, women are treated like slaves, but that seems to have not caught the attention of this writer...

what I would like from our Arab and Muslim neighbors is only this....

if you proclaim to be the "religion of peace" then will you please stop supporting terroism and condemn all terrorists attacks openly and loudly.....something that was pecularly missing after 9/11.....

28 posted on 08/25/2003 10:52:38 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Utah Girl
So what explicit instructions does the Koran command for chopping off the heads of the infidels?
29 posted on 08/25/2003 10:53:39 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Lion in Winter
Why post this garbage WITHOUT a barf alert????

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This place functioned for several years without barf alerts until a bunch of newbies came in and thought they were humorous.

30 posted on 08/25/2003 11:04:07 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Utah Girl
only in the media can a terrorist be a "freedom fighter."
31 posted on 08/25/2003 11:05:17 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: MatthewViti
Only in paleo-sandboxes can blustery windbag advocates of mass murder be called 'patriots.'
32 posted on 08/25/2003 11:06:50 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: metalboy
There's a BIG difference that folks who just like to knock religeon in general often miss here. There is NO part of the Christian New Testament that exhorts followers to harass, subjugate, enslave and kill others not following Christ.

Those passages DO exist in the Quaran...
33 posted on 08/25/2003 11:29:52 PM PDT by Axenolith (It's not my fault...)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Huh? Where is there any peace in the Muslim world? Daily bloodbaths in Afghanistan, where they pick on little girls and shut down their schools. The Saddamites destroying the peace and standing in the way of democracy in Iraq. Brutal violence between Iraq and Iran for ten years, until there were no more young men left to die. Muslims in Pakistan attacking India and Kashmir almost dialy. Bloosdhed in Indonesia, and Islamic terror attacks in the Philippines. Terror bombings and shootouts in Saudi Arabia. Daily killing of Christians by Muslims in Rwanda, and the Sudan. Brutal oppression of Christians by the Muslims in Lebanon. Palestinian murderers destroying the peace plan in Isreal with unprovoked bus bombings. And of course there is Somalia, Yemen, Syria, and Libya, none of them peaceful nations or bastions of freedom. Wherever there is Islam, there is misery and death.

What a laugh!

34 posted on 08/25/2003 11:40:45 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: Axenolith
There`s no part of the testament that tells people to harrass etc, but more people have been murdered from christianity than any other religion COMBINED. Why? Because white people are just stump ass stupid. Now they`re trying to shove it down our throats with this supreme court stuff and the ten commandments. Nothing wrong with the ten commandments, but when redneck fudamentalists get organized over religion much less anything else, watch out, because they will always lead to violence. I mean just watch; they all curse out the muslims, but when their religion gets knocked they will act just like them if not worse.
35 posted on 08/26/2003 12:07:10 AM PDT by metalboy (Slinky, it makes a clickety sound and it goes downstairs, it is a marvelous spring)
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To: metalboy
From these two guys, millions upon millions of people have been murdered and countless other lives have been destroyed.

Now, I'm agnostic, but come on- are you telling me that Christ exhorted his followers to kill and actually led them in this endeavour by example? There is no way you can compare the two as if they are the same. The Koran is the collected words of Mohammed. You can find numeruos examples in the Koran of Mohammed giving the Muslims license to kill the idolators and others. Where do you find something similar in the New Testament's quotations of Jesus?

What about Stalin, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao et al? They weren't religious at all yet they killed millions. If you had said "ideology kills people and is still going on" you would have been closer to the truth but still not quite accurate. The truth is people kill each other and always have. They've done it since before religion existed. People have also always used ideology as an impetus and justification to kill others. But it is people that do the killing. Take away religion, they'll use something else- perhaps with even more gusto and with less restraint.

36 posted on 08/26/2003 2:41:52 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Utah Girl
." The only peaceful religions are dead religions.

Did anybody else catch this one? That's sort of like the "Only good Injun is a dead Injun" ditty. Is the author saying we'd be better off by killing off all religion?

37 posted on 08/26/2003 2:43:29 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Lion in Winter
Are you so daft that you can't read an article without a little bell ringing to stimulate your barf response?
38 posted on 08/26/2003 2:59:05 AM PDT by tictoc
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To: bluefish

Gwynne(th) Dyer

39 posted on 08/26/2003 3:10:18 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Salman
If the 120,000,000 are "Crazed Blood Thirsty Maniacs" then they're pretty unmotivated Crazed Blood Thirsty Maniacs.
40 posted on 08/26/2003 3:15:49 AM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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