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The Werewolf Principal[Terrorist Attacks In Germany After WW11]
The Command Post ^
| July 20, 2003
| Alan E Brain
Posted on 08/26/2003 7:37:12 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
July 20, 2003
The Werewolf Principle
Lessons of History, Continued: From a review of "Werewolf! The History of the National Socialist Guerrilla Movement, 1944-1946"
What did the Werwolf do? They sniped. They mined roads. They poured sand into the gas tanks of jeeps. (Sugar was in short supply, no doubt.) They were especially feared for the "decapitation wires" they strung across roads. They poisoned food stocks and liquor. (The Russians had the biggest problem with this.) They committed arson, though perhaps less than they are credited with: every unexplained fire or explosion associated with a military installation tended to be blamed on the Werwolf. These activities slackened off within a few months of the capitulation on May 7, though incidents were reported as late as 1947.
... Goebbels especially grasped the possibility that guerrilla war could be a political process as well as a military strategy. It was largely through his influence that the Werwolf assumed something of the aspect of a terrorist organization. Where it could, it tried to prevent individuals and communities from surrendering, and it assassinated civil officials who cooperated with the Allies. Few Germans welcomed these activities, but something else that Goebbels grasped was that terror might serve where popularity was absent. By his estimate, only 10% to 15% of the German population were potential supporters for a truly revolutionary movement. His goal was to use the Werwolf to activate that potential. With the help of the radical elite, the occupiers could be provoked into savage reprisals that would win over the mass of the people to Neo-Nazism, a term that came into use in April 1945.
And from an article on Minutemen of the Third Reich.(history of the Nazi Werewolf guerilla movement) The Werewolves specialised in ambushes and sniping, and took the lives of many Allied and Soviet soldiers and officers -- perhaps even that of the first Soviet commandant of Berlin, General N.E. Berzarin, who was rumoured to have been waylaid in Charlottenburg during an incident in June 1945. Buildings housing Allied and Soviet staffs were favourite targets for Werewolf bombings; an explosion in the Bremen police headquarters, also in June 1945, killed five Americans and thirty-nine Germans. Techniques for harassing the occupiers were given widespread publicity through Werewolf leaflets and radio propaganda, and long after May 1945 the sabotage methods promoted by the Werewolves were still being used against the occupying powers. Although the Werewolves originally limited themselves to guerrilla warfare with the invading armies, they soon began to undertake scorched-earth measures and vigilante actions against German `collaborators' or `defeatists'. They damaged Germany's economic infrastructure, already battered by Allied bombing and ground fighting, and tried to prevent anything of value from falling into enemy hands. Attempts to blow up factories, power plants or waterworks occasionally provoked melees between Werewolves and desperate German workers trying to save the physical basis of their employment, particularly in the Ruhr and Upper Silesia.
Several sprees of vandalism through stocks of art and antiques, stored by the Berlin Museum in a flak tower at Friedrichshain, caused millions of dollars worth of damage and cultural losses of inestimable value. In addition, vigilante attacks caused the deaths of a number of small-town mayors and, in late March 1945, a Werewolf paratroop squad assassinated the Lord Mayor of Aachen, Dr Franz Oppenhoff, probably the most prominent German statesman to have emerged in the occupied fringes over the winter of 1944-45.
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Miscellaneous; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: militaryhistory; rebuildingiraq; werewolfguerrillas; wwii
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To: Austin Willard Wright
I'm surprised you have read those links and expect to see that you will no longer claim that we are sure Iraq "didn't do anything to the United States". As many of those links showed, there are sufficient numbers of people with access to intelligence information who believe that Iraq helped in the attack in the first WTC and that Iraq had links with AQ.
You may be tired of my constantly referring to the fact that you didn't read those articles but I've been referring to that because until today, you have never acknowledged that you did read them. It seems every time you brought up a subject, someone would provide information that disproved your accusations and you would then change the subject.
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posted on
08/27/2003 2:18:37 PM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Austin Willard Wright
Like I said in my post, I don't have a link and I could have read it somewhere beside the net. I don't recall the division that was highlighted. The 47 KIA is what stuck with me. Sorry, that's the best I can do. Didn't know there would be a large discussion about this subject at that time. ;0)
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posted on
08/27/2003 3:50:53 PM PDT
by
cibco
(Xin Loi... Saddam)
To: Peach
Of course, it has relevance if you can show that the numbers were at all comparable. I will eat crow if you can. Hows that for an invitation?
Your point about people at the time "not caring" about numbers is bogus. They kept good enough records that we know, for example, that 297,000 Americans died in combat action in WWII. Now....how many died in postwar combat action? The burden of proof is on you since you are advancing a revisionist theory that even the Center for Military History regards as wrong.
To: Austin Willard Wright
Excuse me but I am not the only person to be advancing this theory. The administration, pundits, columnists et al are also advancing this theory.
You can't honestly believe it wasn't several hundred AT LEAST killed in post war Germany, considering the number of our soldiers there and for how long we were there and the resistance was significant enough that entire television shows and articles have been devoted to the subject.
Now I notice you did not provide the number of that organization you supposedly called. Interesting.
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posted on
08/27/2003 5:26:20 PM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Peach
"Excuse me but I am not the only person to be advancing this theory. The administration, pundits, columnists et al are also advancing this theory. "Sorry quantity pushing the same story doesn't count. A lot of people believed NY Times Jason 'Blair' too. If it can't be verified, it is just BS.
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posted on
08/27/2003 5:38:05 PM PDT
by
ex-snook
(American jobs need BALANCED TRADE. You buy from us, we buy from you.)
To: Peach
Several hundred killed now? Evidence please! Even the soldiers who served in post-war Germany/Austria on FR who have commented disagree with you
To: Austin Willard Wright
You are obsessed with numbers, aren't you. Please provide information on the organization you presumably called the other day.
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posted on
08/28/2003 5:52:55 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Peach
If I can, I try to show the courtesy of answering direct questions with direct answers rahter than hemming and hawing and complaining about the question. I will show this courtesy again:
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/
To: Austin Willard Wright
Thanks for the info. Considering you called the office of military affairs and THEY didn't have the answer, I don't think it's terribly difficult to believe that others don't have the numbers either, do you?
As far as your being courteous, I have previously noted that when YOU are asked questions that you cannot or do not want to answer, you merely change the subject.
I haven't hemmed and hawed but rather provided links to prove that soldiers died in post-war Germany by a variety of means. You seem to feel it is extremely important to find out exactly how many soldiers died. I don't find the numbers as important, except to get you off my back, but believe the analogy still applies between Hitler supporters killing our soldiers and terrorists killing our soldiers.
FNC interviewed a veteran of WWII a few days ago who had been in Germany 3 years after the war and said the killing of our soldiers had "mostly" stopped by that time. Another Freeper saw this interview as well.
Believe it's relevant or not at your leisure. I can see from previous posts you don't seem to care about terrorist activities in Iraq, either. Or links to AQ. One cannot convince the unconvincable.
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posted on
08/28/2003 6:14:40 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Austin Willard Wright
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posted on
08/28/2003 6:17:54 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Peach
Gee whiz, you're a nice guy! This is the thanks I get for answering your question directly.
To: Peach
What do reedwood forests (see 7) have to do with providing an answer to my direct question? BTW, I don't need an "exact" number. Just a ballpark figure from a credible government or private source.
To: Austin Willard Wright
I sent you a link from the Library of Congress. Perhaps you don't think that is a credible source either. The number was approx. 2,700 soldiers died post WWII.
If the link didn't work, go to the Library of COngress and look it up.
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posted on
08/28/2003 7:15:41 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Austin Willard Wright
74
posted on
08/28/2003 7:20:55 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Austin Willard Wright
75
posted on
08/28/2003 7:24:04 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Austin Willard Wright
76
posted on
08/28/2003 7:27:56 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Austin Willard Wright; All
Sorry for the messy looking links; must remember to preview before hitting post.
The answers provided by the Library of Congress are the number of resource documents they have to help access the information I was looking for; not the actual answer to the question I was asking.
I have e-mailed the Library of Congress with this specific question: How many US and allied soldiers died in post-war Germany.
I will post the answer when I receive it. Again, apologies for making a mess of this page.
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posted on
08/28/2003 8:40:46 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Peach
Did you ever get an answer to this question?
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posted on
01/20/2004 12:17:44 PM PST
by
axel f
To: RandallFlagg; Phantom Lord
Ping to post 77.
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posted on
01/20/2004 12:43:55 PM PST
by
axel f
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