No-smoking issue dominates Springfield City Council meeting again

KY3 TV ^ | 8/26/03 | Christine Bielawski

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I'm a regular-sized guy, thanks.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I like to think of myself as a classic liberal.

[Just another Joe]

Thanks for all the input to the debate. NOT!

So, you think of yourself as a classic liberal? Seeing the thoughts you've added to this thread you should really take away the 'classic' from that label.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Smoke em if you got em.

[Just another Joe]

Smoke em if you got em.

I do, thanks.
Anything to add to the actual debate on private property rights?

[Eric in the Ozarks]

My feelings about smoking are health-related. Private property is the basis for Western Civilization.

[Great Dane]

An ungergrad friend of mine who went on to medical school came up with a theory that healthy males had "20 pack-years" (a pack a day for 20 years) before irreversible damage would occur to lung tissue. He further theorized that 15 years of smoke free breathing was required before lungs would repair themselves. I can't think of a single thing smoking adds to life on Earth. American Indians should be paying reparations...

Theorizing doesn't count for much...... facts do, and the facts are still being debated.

[Madame Dufarge]

You're right off the Obnoxious-O-Meter.

Quit! presuming to lecture adults on how their lives should be led (while you still can.)

[Protagoras]

Because some so called conservatives have merged with liberals in agreement that fascism is good as long as it's for their pet cause.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

No lecture intended.

[Protagoras]

I like to think of myself as a classic liberal.

Which of course means that you oppose any violation of private property rights and therefore oppose anti-smoking laws. Correct?

[1Old Pro]

ARE YOU ENCRYPTING YOUR MESSAGES?

lol, ME TOO.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

The effects of smoking have been proven since 1964. Maybe you missed that development.
The 20 pack years theory was for his Ph.D and was based on cadaver research in med school.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Private property 100 percent. Where does your share of air stop and mine begin ?

[Just another Joe]

Where does your share of air stop and mine begin ?

Where the business owner says it does.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Can't top that one.

[Protagoras]

Private property 100 percent. Where does your share of air stop and mine begin ?

At the property line of the private property.

So do you or do you not oppose the laws?

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I hope to see a day when no one smokes. More than 75 percent of Americans do not. Private property, the right to buy and sell and own real estate and personal property is to be respected.
However, whould you argue it is the right of a theater owner to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater because he owns the place ? I could give other coralations but you get the picture.

[Protagoras]

However, whould you argue it is the right of a theater owner to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater because he owns the place ? I could give other coralations but you get the picture.

It's not a correlation and therefore I don't get the picture.

Are you for or against these laws? It seems to be a problem to get a straight answer.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Smoking stinks and I vote with my feet. I don't think, in my heart of hearts, Springfield should have the authority to ban smoking in restaurants.
If I were a restaurant owner, I'd be ticked. However, if I worked at the restaurant, Id be pleased.