The Truth About What's Happening In Iraq

boblonsberry.com ^ | 8/28/03 | Bob Lonsberry

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The war in Iraq isn’t being lost in Baghdad. It’s being lost in America.

In Iraq, it’s going quite well. In America, we’re too stupid to realize that.

So let me explain.

These idiots on the news who count each fatality from the announced end of major fighting are doing more to hurt the cause than all the suicide bombers in Baghdad. One uses explosives and the other uses lies.

The kind of lies that are told by diversion and distortion.

The simple fact is that of course we have sustained more casualties since the actual battle stopped. On the battlefield, they were on our turf. In Baghdad, we are on their turf.

We are a conventional military. Lots of tanks and troops and nobody can stand up to us. Rolling over the Iraqi military, we were in our element.

But in the chicken-crap terrorist world of shoot and run, the jihad boys are in their element.

When we were in a position of advantage our casualties were lower than they are when we are in a position of disadvantage.

So, naturally, we continue to take casualties.

Does that mean we’re losing?

Only if you need a blow dryer and a TelePrompTer to do your job.

I would point out that during the conquest of Iraq, we took over a nation, advanced hundreds of miles into enemy territory, toppled a military numbering in the hundreds of thousands, overthrew a government, took control of a good chunk of the world’s oil supply and put vast amounts of our power on the ground in somebody else’s country.

On the other hand, in their guerilla war, the jihad boys have accomplished not a freaking thing.

We still own the nation, we still own the oil, we’re still in charge, they’re still out of power, we still operate freely a long way from home.

They’re like a dog chasing a car. Lots of noise, plenty of bravado, not a damn bit of difference.

So the daily television score of who died when means nothing, except as a needless insult to the families of brave Americans 100 times more noble than the pretty boys on TV.

Here’s another lie: There is no link between Iraq and terrorism.

In fact, the war with Iraq is one of our most important tools in protecting America from terrorists.

Here’s how: Before we went into Iraq, the target of international Muslim terrorism was American civilians in the United States. Since we went into Iraq, the target of international Muslim terrorism has been American servicemen in Iraq.

Good.

More than good. Wonderful.

Thousands of these jihad boys, all coked up on their gutter religion, have streamed into Iraq to be martyrs against the infidels.

Good. The more the merrier.

On September 11 they attacked us where we were weak. Now we’ve tricked them into attacking us where we are strong.

The idiots.

Think about it. Their objective was to attack women and children, businesspeople and flight attendants, in our homeland.

So we changed the venue.

We started breaking the furniture in their neighborhood.

Now all the little Osamas are sneaking into Iraq to take on G.I. Joe.

You pick: Do you want them attacking unarmed citizens in America, or trained and equipped soldiers in Iraq?

Personally, I like our odds now a lot better.

Personally, I think it’s worthwhile and successful. In every battle there are casualties, even in a battle like this. That is to be accepted and understood.

Two facts that escape the self-appointed gods of the media.

Many have died and more will do the same. But each will have sacrificed to directly protect the United States of America and its people. There is a direct link between Iraq and terrorism against America.

The link: As long as we tie the savages up in Iraq, they won’t be coming after our families back home.

Score that a win.

And anybody who says different doesn’t know his head from a hole in the ground.

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On September 11 they attacked us where we were weak. Now we’ve tricked them into attacking us where we are strong.

[Peach]

I'd rather the terrorists gather in one place where they face well trained, well armed soldiers rather than take on civilians who are unarmed and not trained.

Additionally, in post war Germany, Hitler supporters were killing our soldiers in numbers that are hard to pin down, but it went on for years. Their favorite method was stringing wire across roadways and garrotting our soldiers. A recent History Channel program devoted an entire show to the matter.

[Behind Liberal Lines]

Lonsberry knocks another one out of the park.

[.cnI redruM]

Our beloved 'non-partisan' media has a vested financial and ideological intrest in portraying this the way they do. I hope they enjoy making their blood money off of dead American soldiers.

[JohnGalt]

On Sept 11, 'they' attacked us where the government had disarmed her citizens and left them vulnerable.

" Since we went into Iraq, the target of international Muslim terrorism has been American servicemen in Iraq.

Good.

More than good. Wonderful."

What an idiot.

[Behind Liberal Lines]

Not an idiot. Lonsberry's point is that we took the war to the terrorists and the terrorists are now shooting at people who can, and do, shoot back.

[Peach]

You're correct. Terrorism is a world problem - nearly every country has been attacked by terrorists - and I'd far rather the bad guys face well armed soldiers than civilians.

[alloysteel]

Saddam lost his chain of command. In fact, he has lost a good deal of anything to command. The various fedayeen Saddam troops infiltrating the borders from Iran and Syria (and Saudi Arabia, for that matter) are coming to the killing fields, to "lay down their lives for Allah", but the great glory will die with them, a truth that has not yet sunk in. The best part of this war is that it is being conducted on somebody else's real estate, most notably the real estate the enemy claims as his home base.

[netmilsmom]

>>What an idiot.<<

I think you are missing the point. It is not good that they are attacking our troops, rather, it is good that they are targeting our trained professional than our kindergarteners.

[Baseballguy]

Pretty simple. I would hope more realize that FREEDOM in Iraq means Freedom in the USA. Why do we think any country should not be free?

Do we complain when there is a policeman death, or a baby, woman, man, child? Those are the true victims. Fires, Car accidents, Robbery, are all bad also do they not occur since Iraq was liberated. The news is so bad its not funny.

FR is a place for discussion and we have to remember most dont have a view of the whole picture.

Thank God for the first Admendment.

[JohnGalt]

I doubt you would characterize it as a 'good thing' in the style and bravado of the author.

People are dying, and I am sure, in supporting the troops, you believe they deserve better than an internet hack declaring their deaths are the result of an intentional policy of placing American solidiers in a position to be targets for terrorists.

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[JohnGalt]

Then why did the author say it was a good thing?


That is all well and good that the author takes no responsibility to protect himself or his family, but its gutless to advocate a policy of putting a man or women in harms way half a world away as a stand in for terrorist targets.

[auboy]

Bump.

[TexasTransplant]

JohnGalt said it all, "idiot" he just said it to the wrong poster.
JohnGalt a little to the left, a little more... more, now down, way down, keep going, almost there... OK now take a deep breath, squeeze gently... the report... Yes JohnGalt the correct target is (was) BillClintscum.

[manic4organic]

I thought about it. You're daft.

[netmilsmom]

Then why did the author say it was a good thing?


That is all well and good that the author takes no responsibility to protect himself or his family, but its gutless to advocate a policy of putting a man or women in harms way half a world away as a stand in for terrorist targets.


He said it was a good thing because we have put trained professional soldiers against these thugs instead of our moms and dads, sisters and brothers and mostly our children against them.
No death is a good death, soldier or civilian. At least the soldiers have a fighting chance. My five year old does not.

[pfflier]

The liberals and the press crave for another Vietnam. They are trying their best to create an Iraqi TET any way they can. They are succeeding. Did anyone else notice a shift in Fox news to more cynical reporting of positive things and more visibility of negative?

[BigWaveBetty]

That is all well and good that the author takes no responsibility to protect himself or his family,

Since you have the answer to protecting ourselves (individually) against terrorist attacks please share it with us all.

[JohnGalt]

A well armed citizenry and a decentralized government, you know traditional conservativism.

More Todd Beamers
Fewer Ivy Leaguers

[JohnGalt]

You seem awfully willing to put someone else's kid in harms way in an effort to abdicate your responsibility to protect your liberties and the liberties of your child.

I think none other than General MacArthur would tell you not to worry:

The powers in charge keep us in a perpetual state of fear keep us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant sums demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real.
- General Douglas MacArthur
"A Soldier Speaks: Public Papers and Speeches of General of the Army Douglas MacArthur," (1965); Nation, August 17, 1957

[BigWaveBetty]

Uh yeah, all those folks in the WTC would have been able to thwart those bastards had they had guns.

John you are a maroon.

[dirtboy]

That, quite frankly, is one of the more idiotic posts I have seen for some time on FR. Bush went after Saddam not because of bin Laden, but because of Saddam's 12-year noncompliance with cease-fire agreements, his support of terrorism and the destabilization his regime represented in the Middle East.

[BlueLancer]

VARMINT CONG ALERT!!!
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[mtbopfuyn]

Give us the proof that Bush Is a murderer plain and simple (your tagline) by our troops where tens of thousands of innocents are killed. Baghdad Bob, is that you?

[JohnGalt]

I didn't take you for a conservative anyway so your comments merely strength my resolve.

Hint: its the owners of the WTC who were prevented by the federalis from having proper defense tools, be it anti-aircraft missiles or guns.

It was the state that convinced its people to give up a personal responsibility, protection of the self, that infected the culture which caused good Americans to hope it 'was just a hijacking' as they were led like sheeps to the slaughter.

Go on apologizing for the state and believing its a good thing its someone else's kid taking a bullet in Iraq.

Sheep.

[pgyanke]

You know, I started to correct your analogy to reflect reality. I think I have a bit of a reputation for speaking my mind and not letting an erroneous point go unchallenged. I can be quite tenacious and verbose in making my case.

In the case of your post above, I found it to be such an ignorant rant that it wasn't deserving of the effort. Instead, I'll let you do the legwork. Do a search for the word "Iraq" on FR and read some articles. You are intellectually blind to the facts.

[dirtboy]

Oh puleese! Bush made the case that Iraq and Bin laden had a connection and if we didnt invade, Iraq might do something really bad to us.

The two were not connected by Bush. Bush's case for taking out Saddam was based on what I have stated, along with Saddam's long history of both using and manufacturing WMDs.

But, since you're so certain that Bush connected Saddam to bin Laden and that alone justified the war, please provide documentation for that viewpoint.

[TexasTransplant]

I do believe the lobotomy was a sucess, but do you still mess your pants?

[BigWaveBetty]

If the WTC had anti-aircraft missiles or guns and had been able to actually shoot those two planes down, what would have happened? Hint: People still would have died. Our economy still would have been hurt.

Too bad you weren't on one of the two WTC missiles so you could have convinced all your fellow passengers that what was happening was actually a terrorist attack.

Sheep dip.

[Jim Noble]

The truth about what's happening in Iraq is:

American soldiers are getting killed

In a good cause

That is well worth the price

EXCEPT

The American people are not prepared to pay the price

BECAUSE

The people need to be led in war to accept its sacrifices

And war leadership has been in short supply

BECAUSE

Not all politicians-in fact almost none-are gifted war leaders.

Our current deficiency in war leadership has been, up to now, non-critical

BUT

Given the execrable lack of virtue or even common morality among the RATs

The need for exemplary war leadership is about to skyrocket

AND

If President Bush cannot deliver, he is history.

[pgyanke]

Give it up, John. We have a right to be secure in our own homes and to defend them ourselves, yes. However, when it comes to the defense of the nation, that is one of the limited, legitimate roles for our national government.

President Bush has planted a terrorist lightning rod (or bug lamp, if you like) in Iraq and it's attracting terrorists from across the globe. While the left continues to say that the war in Iraq is distracting from our efforts in the war on terror, the reality is the war in Iraq has completely distracted the terrorists from their war on us.

As the author stated above, it's the role of the military to protect us as a nation. They don't do that in garrison, they do that in combat. Rather than waiting for the terrorists to strike here where we have a free society with a soft underbelly, we've forced them to focus their efforts on the tip of the spear.

It is a strategically brilliant strategy.

[paws_and_whiskers]

Lonsberry bump for truth!

[TexasTransplant]

You drove that nail with one incredibly accurate swing of the hammer. (Bugzapper, I love it)

[Steve_Seattle]

A well-armed citizenry and decentralized government would have stopped 9/11? So we allow people - including terrorists - to bring guns into planes, that's the solution?

[dighton]

Cucaracha rockwelli-raimondi.

More than one, as a matter of fact.

[Steve_Seattle]

"It's a strategically brilliant strategy."

Are you sure it's the strategy? I'm not at all convinced that our military - or Bush - is glad that those terrorists are infiltrating Iraq - it is slowing down the recovery and giving fuel to the naysayers.

[StarCMC]

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[pgyanke]

Are you sure it's the strategy?

Ok... Wow! What an incredibly lucky happenstance that couldn't possibly have been foreseen with even a cursory glance at Arab history or a basic understanding of their culture. Lucky us!

The administration talked about this as part of the overall benefit of the operation. They were more generalized in their predictions... presence in the middle east to keep order... staging ground for future necessary operations... but it was understood. If I understood it would be part of the strategy, I'm sure they understood it would be part of the benefit.

[CGVet58]

outstanding!!! article.

many tx

[Vineyard]

Did you forget to take your Valium and Lithium today??

Take a chill pill man ... your screed is so absurd. 95% plus of the Iraqi people THANK US and THANK President George Bush for liberating Iraq.. Our "invasion" cost some lives of innocent Iraqi people ... total deaths is probably equal to what Saddam and his sons killed each week. Except now Saddam and his sons are gone ... and the Iraqi people don't have the same fear. Most Iraqi people are actually forgiving of the accidental deaths. They have a more realistic understanding of the situation than you demonstrate.

(Actually, their fear is that the U.S. people might cut and run if Howard Dean is elected and cowards and communist sympathizers become in charge of U.S. policy. But hopefully the American people are smart enough to recognize that we can't trust te Democrats with our national security.)

Mike

[JohnGalt]

The state has warped your ability to believe in freedom.

They have effectively crushed your faith and your birthright.

Allow the marketplace to determine who can bring what on to each aircraft. Would you choose to purchase a ticket from an airline that let terrorists carry guns onto airplanes?

Of course not, and yet you tolerate a government that allows terrorists into the country and access to disarmed killing zones.

Allow consumers to pay a premium to fly on a plane with an armed marshall. Or at least go back to the 70s when people carried what they want onto airplanes.

Clearly, disarming airline passengers (and schools for that matter) has been a disaster.

[StarCMC]

President Bush has planted a terrorist lightning rod (or bug lamp, if you like) in Iraq and it's attracting terrorists from across the globe. While the left continues to say that the war in Iraq is distracting from our efforts in the war on terror, the reality is the war in Iraq has completely distracted the terrorists from their war on us.

You got it right, pgy! What a great analogy. My little bro is in Iraq trying to secure Iraqis the freedom to disagree with their government. The terrorists are flocking to Iraq to prevent it because they know that once freedom is gained, the Iraqis won't want to give it up to another despot. Our VERY BRAVE soldiers do not need to have their efforts denegrated by those unable -- or unwilling -- to see that truth. They are in Iraq for the fight, and thank God Pres. Bush didn't tie one hand behind their backs while commanding them to win as previous war administrations have done.

[JohnGalt]

That is why I call you a Vichycon.

Always surrendering and rationalizing away a completely failed and discredited state that cannot protect you.

So while Iraq was not a terrorist haven before the war, it is now, and that's a good thing?

Sheep indeed.

[philosofy123]

Who do you think can provide the vision, and leadership-in your opinion?

[JohnGalt]

You are the one who believes in the absurd, that terrorists attack US solidiers in Iraq protects you, and then discounting traditional theories on defense.


Shouldn't you be at DU or something?