The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

The Bible - Luke 18 ^ | about 1970 years ago | Jesus Christ

[montag813]

"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

SEE? PROOF that Jesus IS a REPUBLICAN!

Here he joins Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush as advocates of tax cuts.

[PleaseNoMore]

Oh yeah, about that li'l lady that was "offended"... In the court's opinion that plaintiff Maddox is referred to by others and even herself as "the tiny tiger"; and that plaintiff Howard identifies herself as a political independent. Surely she is a hypersensitive little tiger and political independent. Found on p.19 of the opinion.

[PleaseNoMore]

I certainly agree with you 100%. While I am preparing for what is to come I am also going to "occupy" until He comes.

[PleaseNoMore]

You don't read the bible regularly as part of your "christian tradition"?

[PleaseNoMore]

I'm also not sure how the parable is applicable. It isn't. That is the funny part.

[#3Fan]

Not at all. Roy Moore the individual (when he is off the state clock) can go to church, can attend devotionals, can become a prolific speaker and writer regarding matters of Evangelical theology.

President Bush is on the clock. Should he be banned from mentioning the God of Israel and/or quoting the bible while giving a speech in the Rose Garden, let's say?

Should the astronauts on the Apollo Mission have been banned from quoting Genesis while in government property when they orbited the earth?

[EternalVigilance]

Your #117 is excellent.

Good job.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Sure - mostly via our fixed liturgy and dogma, but also some bible reading. You follow along in the service books, listen to the readings, look at the words and the iconography on the walls - all biblical. You read the writings of the desert fathers, of theologians and clerics past - all biblical.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

ROFLMAO - Yep, I agree.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Neither example speaks of "requiring the state to acknowledge God" while installing an altar like monument in a most prominent location in a prominent place.

Nice try, though.

[#3Fan]

Neither example speaks of "requiring the state to acknowledge God" while installing an altar like monument in a most prominent location in a prominent place. Nice try, though.

But you said government officials shouldn't sermonize while on the clock. The Apollo astronauts were definitely speaking of the God of Israel while orbiting in government property. Weren't they worshipping God acknowledging that it was God that made the earth and appreciating his creation?

[#3Fan]

Neither example speaks of "requiring the state to acknowledge God" while installing an altar like monument in a most prominent location in a prominent place. Nice try, though.

A president can speak of God but a judge can't? What if a president mentions God while in a ceremony signing an executive order? He is making law, same as a judge, isn't he?

[#3Fan]

If Moore became a Hare Krishna, and put statues of Hindu gods in the courthouse, would that be okay with you? If your answer is no, then your position is just an unprincipled attempt to force your religious views on others. But then, that's been the real agenda of the Moore/Falwell/Dobson/Robertson crowd all along, hasn't it?

I'm imagining this in mind. What if we had an Ismaic or a Hindu judge and he arranged a statue of his religion to be put in the courthouse yard? How would I feel about that. hmm. I think it'd be an interesting statue and I would look at it. If I got into trouble and had to face that judge in court I would certainly watch very closely to make sure he was fair and possibly vote him out if he wasn't. But if he was a fair judge I wouldn't consider his statue any more that an oddity and wouldn't be too worried about it. I may keep an eye on immigration policy though because being a Christian, I know who the One God is, and I know that if too many people lose sight of the true God and forget His teachings, our nation won't last long.

[#3Fan]

Ismaic = Islamic. Man, I keep getting worse on proofreading. What's that a sign of?

[PleaseNoMore]

Then if a religious monument is speech, he's suppressing free speech. He explicitly said no other religious type monuments could be placed there, as his was "from God" and the others weren't.

Please source this. I have read his dedication speech and saw nothing of the sort and the only other objects that he refused were an atom, requested by an atheist group and the MLK Jr "I Have a Dream" speech according to the court opinion. The court also acknowledged that the rotunda was not a public forum in which any group could place objects of their choosing.

[jimt]

Please source this. I have read his dedication speech and saw nothing of the sort and the only other objects that he refused were an atom, requested by an atheist group and the MLK Jr "I Have a Dream" speech according to the court opinion. The court also acknowledged that the rotunda was not a public forum in which any group could place objects of their choosing.

It wasn't in the dedication speech. It was in remarks to the press after the brou-ha-ha started. Please see below.

Meanwhile, in America, when asked on CNN whether principles of religious equality would lead him to support an Islamic monument similar to the two-ton commandments, Moore replied, "This nation was founded upon the laws of God, not upon the Koran." In the Christian press, Moore went even further: "This country wasn't founded upon Allah; it was founded upon the Holy Bible, and the question is whether we [Christians] are going to take a stand."
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8728

Asked on CNN whether he would support an Islamic monument to the Koran in the rotunda of the federal building, Moore replied, "This nation was founded upon the laws of God, not upon the Koran. That's clear in the Declaration [of Independence], so it wouldn't fit history and it wouldn't fit law." http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/22/ten.commandments/index.html

[PleaseNoMore]

I agree totally with his statements. This nation was NOT founded on Allah or any other God. Christianity is the moral foundation of this country. A Koran would be completely out of place.

[jimt]

I agree totally with his statements. This nation was NOT founded on Allah or any other God. Christianity is the moral foundation of this country. A Koran would be completely out of place.

There's no question whether you are (or he is) entitled to that belief. He's still not entitled to used his public office to promote one religion over another.