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Ministers Who Say Judge Moore Acted Improperly Need To Tear Daniel Six Out Of Their Bibles!
Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon ^ | Aug 29, 2003 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 08/28/2003 8:50:50 PM PDT by xzins

Those Ministers Who Say Judge Moore Acted Improperly Need To Tear Daniel Chapter Six Out Of Their Bibles!

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon August 29, 2003 I have listened to minister after minister publicly rebuke Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore saying, as a Christian, he should have obeyed federal judge Myron Thompson's unlawful order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Judicial Building. Those ministers need to reread Daniel chapter six.

Daniel was a government official in the court of King Darius. In fact, Daniel was the second-in-command answering only to the king. Yet, when Darius issued his command that everyone in the kingdom not pray to God for thirty days, Daniel openly and defiantly disobeyed.

I've heard ministers say Judge Moore was wrong not to take down the monument and wait for his appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court to be decided. However, if this logic would have prevailed in the mind and heart of Daniel, the great story of Daniel in the lion's den would not appear in Scripture. After all, Darius' order against prayer was only for thirty days. Using the logic of today's ministers, Daniel should have merely suspended his prayers for thirty days, and everything would have been all right.

Instead, Daniel immediately went home, threw open his windows, and prayed to God as he always had done. He would not postpone his convictions for even thirty days!

Like Judge Roy Moore, Daniel believed that there is a higher authority than the king. Furthermore, he believed that human governments do not have the right to interfere with religious conscience, in or out of the public square.

Also take into account that Daniel lived under a monarchy. Darius' word was the law of the land. However, Americans do not live (yet) under a monarchy. A federal judge is not king; his word is not automatically law. Under our constitutional republic, whenever a federal judge, or any other government official, rules outside his constitutional authority, his ruling must be considered unlawful and irrelevant.

When Daniel disobeyed the law of King Darius, he had only the law of moral conscience behind him. Judge Moore has, not only the law of moral conscience, but the supreme law of the land (the U.S. Constitution) behind him!

Of all people, Christian ministers should flock to Judge Moore's assistance! That they aren't proves they are either ignorant of the lawlessness of this federal judge's actions, or they do not have the courage of their convictions.

One thing is sure: those ministers who condemn Judge Roy Moore's actions should tear the story of Daniel out of their Bibles, and never teach it again. If Daniel was right, Roy Moore is right!

© Chuck Baldwin

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KEYWORDS: bible; commandments; constitution; daniel; judges; law; moore
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This Daniel story is right to the point of the Judge Moore case.

When do you follow man, and when do you follow God?

Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's

I was really disappointed in the SBC's Rev Land on Bill O'Reilley last night. He said that Moore was wrong. Land is naive. The Southern Baptists need a better spokesperson, unless this guy was just winging it on his own.

1 posted on 08/28/2003 8:50:51 PM PDT by xzins
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To: Revelation 911; The Grammarian; SpookBrat; Dust in the Wind; JesseShurun; maestro; patent; ...
ping to this and to Daniel 6
2 posted on 08/28/2003 8:52:50 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
I have noticed that most of the talk-show hosts (at least locally) have come out against this guy, but it's good to hear someone stand up for him. "Be cold or be hot, but lukewarm be not". And this Moore is not lukewarm. He's willing to speak out and 'start something'. Ya gotta pick your fights, and I truly believe this is a fight to pick. Too many people want to smooth things over, keep the peace, and and watch God slip out of our country.
3 posted on 08/28/2003 8:57:13 PM PDT by natewill (Start the revolution NOW!)
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To: xzins
The law Daniel defied was one dictating his personal freedom to worship as he believed in his own home.

The law Judge Moore defied was one dictating that NO ONE has the right to use the Govt to impose their religion on others.

Daniel was right.
Judge Moore is wrong.

And the comparison made in this article is a poor one.

5 posted on 08/28/2003 8:58:31 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: xzins
I saw Baldwin on O'Reilly; he's more of a doofus on television than he is in print.

These zealots advocating disobedience of the law are getting more and more hysterical.

And, they're marginalizing themselves. They really are, xzins.

And they're not helping Moore. It's likely he'll be booted from office.

6 posted on 08/28/2003 8:58:36 PM PDT by sinkspur (How about rescuing a Bichon Frise? He'll love you forever!!!!)
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To: xzins
There is a difference. We are required to pray to God. We are not required to place the Ten Commandments in a courthouse. So when a law says not to place the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, it is not violating God's law to remove them. However, if a law says not to pray to God, then to follow man's law would indeed violate God's.

I'm not sure whose side I'm on in this case (mostly Moore's, but he should have obeyed the court order), but I'm definitely on the side against making false analogies.
7 posted on 08/28/2003 9:00:25 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: natewill
Too many people want to smooth things over, keep the peace, and and watch God slip out of our country.

As if a stone symbol which most people never even heard about is crucial to Christian convictions in people's hearts..and it's being moved will steal this faith from America. How silly.

8 posted on 08/28/2003 9:01:57 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: xzins
SPOTREP
9 posted on 08/28/2003 9:04:44 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Jorge; P-Marlowe
No religion was imposed on others.

If so, where is the law that established this one religion, and where is the place everyone is required to sign up?

Daniel was not allowed to pray anyplace. Moore is being told that he is not permitted to acknowledge his own constitution, express his faith in his workplace, nor use his own uniquenesses in performing his job.

Sounds like a similar case to me.

Both are experiencing "prohibiting the FREE EXERCISE thereof."

10 posted on 08/28/2003 9:04:56 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: natewill
"Too many people want to smooth things over, keep the peace, and and watch God slip out of our country."

God slip out of our Country?

How can that possibly happen?

Look around you, open your eyes.

To take God out of our country, you must remove every mountain, every shore, every valley, every tree, every leaf, every cloud in the sky, every star in the firmaments above, every blade of grass, every grain of sand, and His presence in your heart and mine.

What power on this Earth do you know that can do that?

11 posted on 08/28/2003 9:06:55 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (There's no such thing as a stupid question, there are however, many inquisitive morons out there...)
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To: sinkspur
He'll not be booted from office, imo.

They'll not be able to point to a law that was violated. AND all of his associate justices said they agreed with his interpretation.

However, if he is, think about this: He runs again and is elected again.

12 posted on 08/28/2003 9:07:05 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: Jorge
There is a bigger picture that you are missing here. The Constitution forbids the Supremes to make any laws regarding religion or it's free expression by the states and the citizens of those states.

They are as out of bounds on this as they are on affirmative action, abortion, and homosexual sex. They are the ones behaving illegally. As citizens it is our duty to ignore illegal laws that fly in the face of the Constitution.
13 posted on 08/28/2003 9:07:31 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: xzins
"Daniel was not allowed to pray anyplace."

And God survived that.

14 posted on 08/28/2003 9:07:40 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (There's no such thing as a stupid question, there are however, many inquisitive morons out there...)
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To: Thane_Banquo
See #10.
15 posted on 08/28/2003 9:08:36 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: Jorge
As if being told that you are prohibited from freely practicing your religion is a violation of God's grant of freedom.
16 posted on 08/28/2003 9:10:21 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: Jorge
But they do not call it the bible belt for nothing... fanatics like beating people over the head with the belt
17 posted on 08/28/2003 9:10:29 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm half and half... me mum is a muggle and me dad is a witch)
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To: xzins
The property rights movement is probably more solidly behind Judge Moore than any other group, property rights activists see this as a "States Rights" issue. Some of the leaders of the property rights movement have been in Alabama in support of Judge Moore.

Everyone I have talked to in property rights groups are solidly behind Judge Moore. The Christians I have spoken to are somewhat divided, most behind the Judge, some against the judge, and some neutral.

18 posted on 08/28/2003 9:10:36 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: Luis Gonzalez
God made a point.

Don't mess with Daniel. Don't mess with my worshippers' freedom of worship.

Therefore, it is GOD who grants the FREEDOM. Not a judge, not the state.
19 posted on 08/28/2003 9:12:29 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: c-b 1
Explain "property rights" movement. I'm not familiar with it.
20 posted on 08/28/2003 9:13:35 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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