This Daniel story is right to the point of the Judge Moore case.
When do you follow man, and when do you follow God?
Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's
I was really disappointed in the SBC's Rev Land on Bill O'Reilley last night. He said that Moore was wrong. Land is naive. The Southern Baptists need a better spokesperson, unless this guy was just winging it on his own.
posted on 08/28/2003 8:50:51 PM PDT
To: Revelation 911; The Grammarian; SpookBrat; Dust in the Wind; JesseShurun; maestro; patent; ...
ping to this and to Daniel 6
posted on 08/28/2003 8:52:50 PM PDT
(In the Beginning was the Word)
I have noticed that most of the talk-show hosts (at least locally) have come out against this guy, but it's good to hear someone stand up for him. "Be cold or be hot, but lukewarm be not". And this Moore is not lukewarm. He's willing to speak out and 'start something'. Ya gotta pick your fights, and I truly believe this is a fight to pick. Too many people want to smooth things over, keep the peace, and and watch God slip out of our country.
posted on 08/28/2003 8:57:13 PM PDT
(Start the revolution NOW!)
The law Daniel defied was one dictating his personal freedom to worship as he believed in his own home.
The law Judge Moore defied was one dictating that NO ONE has the right to use the Govt to impose their religion on others.
Daniel was right.
Judge Moore is wrong.
And the comparison made in this article is a poor one.
posted on 08/28/2003 8:58:31 PM PDT
I saw Baldwin on O'Reilly; he's more of a doofus on television than he is in print.
These zealots advocating disobedience of the law are getting more and more hysterical.
And, they're marginalizing themselves. They really are, xzins.
And they're not helping Moore. It's likely he'll be booted from office.
posted on 08/28/2003 8:58:36 PM PDT
(How about rescuing a Bichon Frise? He'll love you forever!!!!)
There is a difference. We are required to pray to God. We are not required to place the Ten Commandments in a courthouse. So when a law says not to place the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, it is not violating God's law to remove them. However, if a law says not to pray to God, then to follow man's law would indeed violate God's.
I'm not sure whose side I'm on in this case (mostly Moore's, but he should have obeyed the court order), but I'm definitely on the side against making false analogies.
The property rights movement is probably more solidly behind Judge Moore than any other group, property rights activists see this as a "States Rights" issue. Some of the leaders of the property rights movement have been in Alabama in support of Judge Moore.
Everyone I have talked to in property rights groups are solidly behind Judge Moore. The Christians I have spoken to are somewhat divided, most behind the Judge, some against the judge, and some neutral.
posted on 08/28/2003 9:10:36 PM PDT
by c-b 1
A ping for those who bow down to everyone and everything *BUT* the one, true, living, Lord God Almighty.
Think about it...
posted on 08/28/2003 9:49:42 PM PDT
("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's >"
And guess who owns all? God! God owns whatever you, I or Caesar has. Most people miss that.
Of course you are right. People today don't know what is written let alone apply it.
Martyrs are not for todays mind set. Today you are to be a "moderate" and figure out a way to compromise core beliefs. When you do this you have invalidated your core beliefs. So why be suprised when people fail to stand up for anything? This is why the A.C.L.U. and other godless groups make progress. People are only to eager to appease their opposition.
posted on 08/28/2003 10:00:59 PM PDT
The last generation that will see the end of this age are the people who will witness the rebuilding of the temple. The cornerstone is ready to be put into place. Sit back it won't be long now.
posted on 08/29/2003 6:41:47 AM PDT
(Here's to Hillary's book sinking like the Clinton 2000 economy)
King Darius, after learning Daniel had been imprisoned with lions, was upset. He didn't sleep that night and immediately raced down to Daniel's cell the next morning and, when finding Daniel alive, he ordered him set FREE.
Will the Court feel they've made a mistake in their ruling? Are they losing sleep over their decision and wait the day they can rectify their mistake?
I'm not holding my breath.
posted on 08/29/2003 10:38:46 AM PDT
at a rally for Moore on Aug 16th, Moore was called a modern day Daniel. Thanks for sharing this and showing why!
posted on 08/29/2003 12:50:54 PM PDT
(Free Bill Pryor)
Can someone answer these question for me?
Every picture I have ever seen shows that the Ten Commandments are engraved on the top of Judge Moore's monument. Engraved on its four sides are quotations from American history.
My question is: Why was not the "offensive" top part simply sandblasted or removed with a special saw? In other words, why was the whole monument removed? Did the quotations from our own history also violate Federal law?
Also, will the Shepardizing lawyers out there tell me what the status is today of the US Supreme Court's decision in Holy Trinity Church vs. U.S. (143 U.S. 457), which stated, among other things, that "this is a Christian Nation"?
posted on 08/29/2003 1:34:41 PM PDT
Thanks X - an excellent brief!
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