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L.A. police to get slicker, lighter guns (switching from Beretta to Glock)
Sacramento Bee ^ | 8.27.03

Posted on 08/29/2003 7:34:16 PM PDT by mhking

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:56:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: 7th_Sephiroth
I like the feel of My De.50Ae7, of course though, i have large hands

No pianist would use one. Some of these guns are strictly big-man or gun-nut guns. They're not for the ordinary gun-owner or really for self-defense.

And isn't the ammo just a little pricey to practice enough to become good with it? Yeah, I think so... How much are you paying per round? How many people can afford the price of even fifty rounds per month with such a cannon? And you'd have to be a very big man to carry it concealed.

If we argue, as we often do, that we need to promote concealed carry and gun ownership because the elderly and women are those most in need of a gun to equalize the physical disadvantage between larger and more brutal physical attackers, then we need to promote reliable guns that anyone can use and that have a middle-class price, both for weapon and ammo.

Of course, I would never pooh-pooh your .50 just from jealousy of ownership. No, I'm too noble and selfless for that...

Truthfully, I'd be afraid of ear damage from a .50 if I fired it without protection. I won't do it with a .44 even. I even have some concerns with my .40 Model 23 Glock so I practice with ear protection but could fire it unprotected a number of times without much worry. (Hearing loss is forever.) I am a slim six-footer in decent condition but I tend to be very careful of my hands. I don't want to pay for carelessness about joints and cartilage and connective tissue when I'm old. At 45, I'm aware the flesh isn't getting more resilient. Some of these issues aren't universal. Some people are big enough and tough enough from a genetic standpoint that it's just not as applicable to them. I make the argument because I generally argue for broad ownership of quality weapons suitable to self-defense by the weaker members of society.
41 posted on 08/30/2003 5:04:59 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: mhking; Admin Moderator
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42 posted on 08/30/2003 6:56:19 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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Old Professor recently asked for help with the search function, and I, too, learned there that in order to complete a successful search one must choose the "sort by date" drop-down. Otherwise, by default apparently the dates are all over the place making it tough to see if a new news article had been posted already.
43 posted on 08/30/2003 7:00:28 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: 7th_Sephiroth
A very sweet combo. I know better than to even shop for one given the price they'd bring. Still, it's good to have the high-end stuff. Just like racing cars and sports cars help spur development in consumer vehicles.
45 posted on 08/30/2003 7:53:57 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: mvpel
Here's the Glock kB! FAQ:

Interesting read. However, it looks like the problem is mainly with the .40's. Granted, you do have to be very careful when reloading. Don't use old brass, work up to max loads very carefully. My manual warns against seating the bullet too deeply. It's really easy to get an overpressure if you do, even a few hundredths of an inch. Years ago, I did get signs of overpressure with one overly-hot load, i.e. bright ring near the base of the brass. Oops. I was lucky I didn't have a kB, but it was my own fault. I had jumped from one grain below max load to max load with a fast-burning powder. The combination of bullet and powder I was using didn't like that idea. I knew someone who blew the top strap off his .357 Redhawk. He accidentally put a double charge of Red Dot in his brass. He's lucky he didn't get hurt.

46 posted on 08/30/2003 11:24:04 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: mvpel
I own two Glocks, one is a M27 .40 and the other is a M 30 in 45ACP. Both have tritium sights. I LOVED my M30 until I got the M27. Around town, I usually carry the M27 stoked up with MagSafes...everywhere along with one or two sp mags; depending on where my wanderings may take the wife and I. Some of her fav fabric shops are in the heart of "Indian Country," lol.

Since the proper grip on the Glock puts the web of the hand so close to the axis of the bore, it seems to indeed, reduce the amount of "felt recoil."

However just as I have finished the latest Tom Clancy tome: "The Teeth of the Tiger" I am convinced that something similar is going to happen on American soil in real life. Now, I'm looking into a ParaOrdnance 45 LDA...either the C6, or the C7 or the Tac-4 or possibly a combo of the C7 and Tac-4. Serious guns for serious times...ya know? I've been speaking to local cops and prosecutors and the new trend seems to be, the weapons used in self defense often themselves present a case of "no true bill" if they're DAO instead of "cocked and locked" in a 45. Glocks and their unique action seem to be holding up their end as well...and as a "+" they're "dishwasher safe." LOL But, I'll either sell the M30 or trade it for a ParaOrdnance. Gun show is next weekend. I'll let everybody know.

48 posted on 08/30/2003 11:27:59 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Oderint dum metuant: "Let them hate so long as they fear")
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To: Cultural Jihad
Thanks for the bump.

However, I'm a 1911 fan myself. Glocks and Barettas are brilliant solutions to problems which never really existed in the first place IMO.

L

49 posted on 08/31/2003 12:30:08 PM PDT by Lurker ("First get the facts right. Later on you can distort them any way you please." Mark Twain)
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To: mhking
I DONT KNOW WHY THE POLICE IS CHANGING A THE ULTIMATE PISTOL FOR THE PLASTIC PISTOL, I THINK WILLIAM BRATTON IS JUST BUYING THE CHEAPEST.GLOCK , BERETTAS AND OTHER COMPITE TO ENTER THE US ARMY AT THE 80S, AND BERETTA WON BY FAR.THE 92 OR M9 HAS CHANGE SINCE THEN, BASICALLY THE SAME BUT WITH MANY SAFETY FEATURES AND QUALITY.GLOCK HAS BEEN ALWAYS THE TERROR GUN,BECAUSE O THE PLASTIC FRAME . I OWN BOTH AND THE NEW BERETTA Y MADE FROM ALUMINUM,A LITTLE MORE HEAVY THAN GLOCK,BUT ITS FEELS A WEAPON, THE OTHER CAN BE CONFUSED BY A TOY.QUALITY AND DESIGN ARE PROPERTIES FOR BERETTA, GLOCK ITS JUST A CHEAP PISTOL.I THINK MAYBE THEIR JUST WANNA CUT THE BUDGET.ALL CHEAP THINGS ALWAYS COST MORE AT SOME TIME.
BEST REGARDS.
50 posted on 11/07/2003 10:29:38 AM PST by fbracale
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