FDR's Raw Deal Exposed

Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 9.30.03 | Thomas Roeser

[Patriotways]

Justice Breyer: U. S. Constitution should be subordinated to international will
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/941589/posts

[eno_]

I don't want to argue other peoples' position for them, but IF they are correct that New Deal programs were counterproductive, then all they did was move the misery around. For all the people that got jobs that way, there were others who were poorer longer because of them. That's what I mean by "counterproductive."

[Cronos]

Marx WAS a Jew, so how could he do what you say?

[jamaksin]

Agreed, The New Dealer's War is very good.

I would also point to:

Felix Wittmer's The Yalta Betrayal from 1953, and

Mark Willey's Pearl Harbor - The Mother of all Conspiracies released in 1999. Willey's posited that the United States entry into WWII - by provoking Japanese - was really to save Stalin and the USSR.

Also, an interesting fact - the Wilson administation insisted - emphatically - that the SS LUSITAINIA was not carrying war materiel. It was not unitl the mid-1970's, when a British underseas film crew published photographs of her cargo (clearing showing munitions) that the US Archives "found" the original cargo manifest showing the "truth."

Note also that even today a myriad of Pearl Harbor documents - even some PURPLE messages - have never been released.

So, yes, the FDR history is very incomplete.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Agreed, The New Dealer's War is very good.

I would also point to:

Felix Wittmer's The Yalta Betrayal from 1953, and

Mark Willey's Pearl Harbor - The Mother of all Conspiracies released in 1999. Willey's posited that the United States entry into WWII - by provoking Japanese - was really to save Stalin and the USSR.

In The New Dealer's War Flemming says that FDR was an anglophobe, and that FDR had the Navy harassing U-boats "throughout the summer of 1941." But he never gives the date of the German invasion of the USSR, so I had to look it up--June 22, 1941. IOW, the very first day of "the summer of 1941."

[Lysander]

Thanks for posting this - the part about how Black Farmers were never reimbursed was pretty telling, actually.

Actually that it said "Black Farmers" is even more telling. Many white sharecroppers were moved off land they did not own either.

[liberallarry]

Umm. I guess you're right there. So was Hitler

Roosevelt was a fresh face.
Hitler was a fresh face.
Therefore Roosevelt was Hitler.

Elementary my dear Watson...

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Let's see if they actually let high school and College students know about this stuff.

Like all things conservative, it's up to us to tip the youngsters off and let them see for themselves. If they find out that the establishment (teachers) have a skeleton hidden in the closet . . .

In a similar vein, when will the Venona files and our knowledge that the Soviet spy network was even MORE extensive than even Joe McCarthy was saying, when will that lead to a revision in thinking about Cold War "hysteria" over spying?

Ann Coulter's statement in Slander to the effect that lots of intercepted Soviet cables were never decrypted interests me. Given that the computer power sitting on your desk is probably better than the entire NSA owned in 1960, it does seem that more of that stuff could be cracked now. Not that it wouldn't be better to just get the whole story straight from Moscow . . .

[jamaksin]

Just to extend your "summer" date:

A. FDR meets Churchill in August 1941 (Placentia Bay) and they issue the Atlantic Charter. Note: (1) The United States is a neutral country at the time, (2) The US Navy convoying of British shipping is an act of war, (3) FDR commits the United States to armed support [the make war versus declare war comment] to the British and Dutch in the Far East IN EXCHANGE for their ceasing to ship oil to Japan. The deal - if the Japanes advance beyond the Isthmus of Kra, the US will fight. Note that NO US terrority is involved here.

B. Congress is not aware of (A) - and the details of this deal do come out until the Pearl Harbor investigations after WWII has ended.

C. The Japanese, now realizing that all oil has been cut-off, decides to fight recognizing full well that it is national suicide.

D. Finally, the Pearl Harbor attack was NOT a surprise attack - See Farago's The Broken Seal (paperback edition), viz., its Postscript section.

E. Congress before/after WWII was solidly in the hands of the Democratic Party - where FDR was/is their savior!

Enough said ... the truth about FDR remains to be told.

[ninenot]

Does that mean you agree with the governor of Alabama who says Christians need to support high taxes to be true to their faith?

Nope.

There is a BIG difference between the personally-directed mandate of charity prescribed by Christ and some humungous Gummint program.

We happen to agree on almost all the practical matters at hand. I think Big Gummint is a failure in many (but not all) regards.

To a great extent, BTW, Big Gummint has damn near precluded individuals from exercising personal charity--the tax and regs burden has eaten most discretionary dollars.

Of course, one could live (and I include myself here) with less possessions. It's an option which I (and a lot of others) should consider.

[u-89]

Conveniently timed for our conversation this column,Christian Libertarianism was posted today.

[u-89]

>Of course, one could live (and I include myself here) with less possessions. It's an option which I (and a lot of others) should consider.

I've always striven to be self employed and being single I never had to trade my dreams for security. I took risks and more than once I've suffered major loss. Once I lost everything I had and I mean everything except a beat up old car and a few clothes. Totally wiped out, furniture, everything. It is a difficult position to be in but it is very educational. I used to own a lot of very nice things - valuable antiques, historic artifacts and various cool treasures. Disposing of the stuff was like cutting off little bits of your fingers without anesthetic. Did it more than once. As much as it hurt they were good experiences. I'm not materialistic anymore. The grip has been broken. I don't knock consumer consumption though - I make money off of it but for myself owning lots of stuff has lost its meaning. I see more important needs which could be met with my money - and I don't need government to point them out either (and never did). I just see more now than I did before.

[ninenot]

You will be pleased to know that I read that and have emailed Day with a response. He makes an error in logic. OTOH, it is clear that he is a man of good will, as you are.

And most likely he will respond to my email. We'll see what happens next.

[ninenot]

Your personal experience is about to be replicated by me, although I will retain two beat up vehicles, more clothing, and some cool possessions (the guns and numerous books.)

Yeah--it's an education alright.

[Allan]

(A->C)^(B->C)->(A->B)??

[liberallarry]

That was your logic. Now your questioning it?

[Allan]

That was not my logic
that was your simple minded interpretation of it.

[liberallarry]

Enlighten me.

[Allan]

I doubt it's possible.

[liberallarry]

Explaining your position to me is beneath you? That's enlightenment enough.