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"Sexually Inclusive Christians" Celebrate Victories, Push for More
Institute on Religion and Democracy ^ | Mark Tooley

Posted on 08/30/2003 5:48:16 PM PDT by xzins

"Sexually Inclusive Christians" Celebrate Victories, Push for More

Mark Tooley August 22, 2003

When arguing for church acceptance of homosexuality, most advocates talk about monogamy. But others are bolder.

“I am a strong ally of those in healthy, polyamorous relationships,” declared Debra Kolodny. She argued that having multiple sexual partners can be “holy.” Kolodyn was leading a workshop at the WOW (Witness Our Welcome) 2003 convention, an ecumenical gathering for “sexually and gender inclusive Christians.”

Hundreds of homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual people gathered under the “queer” banner in Philadelphia August 14-17 to urge religious acceptance of non-traditional sexual behaviors.

According to WOW’s schedule brochure, it was sponsored by the homosexual caucus groups in most mainline Protestant denominations and Dignity USA (for Roman Catholics). Other supporting groups listed in the program included People for the American Way, the Human Rights Campaign, McCormick Theological Seminary (Presbyterian), Episcopal Divinity School, Chicago Theological Seminary (United Church of Christ), and Wesley Theological Seminary (United Methodist).

According to the president of Wesley seminary, Wesley paid a fee for a table with promotional material at WOW 2003. But Wesley did not endorse or give financial support to WOW beyond this fee.

Kolodny, an author and former national coordinator for The National Bisexual Network, was leading a workshop called “Blessed Bi Spirit: Bisexual People of Faith.” Although focusing mostly on bisexuality, Kolodny, who is Jewish, explained that she could not conclude the session without discussing polyamory.

“There can be fidelity in threesomes,” Kolodny said. “It can be just as sanctified as anything else if all parties are agreed.” But she was careful to stress that polyamory is unacceptable “if there is deceit.”

Kolodny said polyamory does not usually involve simultaneous group sex. But there are exceptions, she admitted, as she recalled a friend of hers who shares a bed with his wife and male partner. When asked by a workshop participant how polyamory was different from “recreational sex,” Kolodny responded that consensual recreational sex could be a part of polyamory. But polyamory usually involves some level of commitment and intimacy.

Noting she herself had never been polyamorous, Kolodny explained that as a busy attorney she simply did not have time to conduct the complicated “negotiations” necessary for “holy” polyamory. But she expressed admiration for persons with the time to organize.

Most of Kolodny’s talk was about bisexuality, not polyamory. “I disagree with the queer movement [when it claims] that sexual orientation is predetermined,” Kolodny said, asserting that the existence of bisexuality “challenges all that.”

“I know a lot of women who chose to become lesbian,” Kolodny said. “Love between two people is always beautiful,” she added, and should be regarded as part of free choice.

“I’m not sure we can make the case for genetic predetermination,” Kolodny stressed, saying sexual preference depends on opportunity, support, and spiritual experiences.

Kolodny lamented that the “queer” movement insists on the “party line” of genetic predetermination as part of a “political strategy.”

“The queer movement relies on, ‘We can’t help it. We’re born this way,’ Kolodny said. “It feels so safe. If you don’t say it you’re thrown to the lions and you’re evil.”

She contrasted the insistence on genetic predetermination with the teachings of Judaism and Christianity, which say: “God gives us choices.”

“Free will is essential to our humanity and essential to our being created in the image of God,” Kolodny said. She charged that denying free choice in sex preference was “perpetuating the hetero-patriarchy,” helping the “radical right,” ignoring bisexuality, and making it easier for “hate” to continue.

Rather than creating “absolute poles” of sexual preference, Kolodny said the world includes a wide spectrum of choices. She recalled the hostility of her “dyke” friends when she abandoned her strict lesbianism for bisexuality. Many homosexuals suspect bisexuals of trying to gain the “privileges” of the hetero-patriarchy by seeking sexual partners of the opposite gender.

Another workshop leader who addressed a sexual minority sometimes forgotten by the “queer” movement was the Rev. Erin Swenson, formerly Eric. Swenson is a Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) minister and family counselor whose sex change operation made Swenson the first post-operative transsexual minister in a major denomination.

Swenson was married with children. But after suffering for years from a desire to be a woman, Swenson finally divorced and had the operation. “I don’t recommend that any one become transgender,” Swenson said. “It’s a very painful process.”

“Some people accuse me of not being a woman,” Swenson complained, citing “ultra-feminists.” Swenson prefers being called simply “Erin and a child of God” to any label. “High heels are very uncomfortable,” Swenson playfully admitted.

“Transgender people won’t come to your church unless they truly know they are safe there,” Swenson warned. Even ostensibly “gay” friendly congregations are sometimes not prepared for transgender people. “Get your church to be trans friendly,” Swenson urged. One need is for bathrooms not marked male or female.

Swenson described the United Church of Christ as “miles ahead of anybody” in making itself open to transgender people. The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), in contrast, declined Swenson’s offer to volunteer in the creation of church resource materials for transgender church members.

“Transgendered people threaten communities because they threaten our assumptions,” Swenson concluded. “It is threatening but also freeing.”

Leading a workshop on “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Questioning Issues in the Roman Catholic Church,” Mary Louise Cervone complained that tolerance rather than justice” is the norm in America today. A former president of Dignity USA, Cervone, with her same-sex partner at her side, wondered how many “nameless men and women” must die before this country moves beyond tolerance to freedom for all people.

“Our best hope for change rests not with bishops and the pope but with Catholic people,” Cervone insisted. “Change won’t come form the top down. The Catholic people must demand freedom.

Cervone affirmed her lesbianism as a “gift of God.” She confessed she has a hard time attending the Catholic Church, because the “church is not where we find freedom. It’s where we go to hide.”

“But you can’t kick me out,” Cervone declared defiantly. “Where in religion did we get the idea that some people are more worthy than others?” she wondered.

The Rev. Jorge Lockwood, who is Global Praise Coordinator for the United Methodist Church’s Board of Global Ministries, led a workshop called “Redeeming Our Bodies, Congregational Song as a Path of Liberation.”

“As queer people, we have another way of looking at the body,” Lockwood said. He complained that churches too often are uncomfortable with the human body and suffer from “liturgical constipation.” He observed that too often people think the “desire of a 25 year old gay man for another 25 year old man is a beautiful thing,” but the desire of a 65 year old for a 25 year is “dirty.”

“We have all learned to challenge Romans,” said the Rev. Mari Castellanos, referring to St. Paul’s letter that, among other Scriptures, is critical of homosexual behavior. Castellanos leads the Justice and Witness Ministries of the United Church of Christ. “We must do likewise with all texts that go against our brothers and sisters that are being claimed as the unerring Word of God.”

But Castellanos also urged the WOW 2003 audience to embrace “justice” issues beyond their own. “When we leave this earth, queer bishops won’t matter as much as whether the hungry are fed,” she insisted, to applause.

“This president and this Congress have systematically torn down the social net that sustained all of us,” Castellanos mourned. “We must lobby our government on behalf of the poor of the world. Our experience of exile has taught us compassion.”

Castellanos promised that “we will take on scary proposals such as the Marriage Protection Act. We will turn the tide that threatens to obliterate the social contract.” Echoing the name of a radical homosexual group, she insisted: “We must continue to act-up!”

Rev. Yvette Flunder, a United Church of Christ pastor from San Francisco, celebrated a string of political victories for pro-homosexuality advocates, including the election of an Episcopal Church homosexual bishop, the arrival of legalized same-sex unions in Canada, and the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling against anti-sodomy laws.

“The Holy Ghost can break loose in an atmosphere of injustice and give us more justice in three weeks than many years!” Flunder enthused. “These wouldn’t have been miracles under Bill Clinton!” she exclaimed, citing the irony of pro-homosexuality strides under a conservative government.

The Rev. Troy Perry, founder of the predominantly homosexual Metropolitan Community Churches, asked all the heterosexuals at WOW 2003 to stand and receive applause. “Thank you!!... I know what people do to you,” he told them, saying they pay a price for solidarity with homosexuals.

Perry said he “just got married” to his male partner of 18 years, who has had AIDS for several years. He likened the plight of homosexuals who cannot legally marry to slaves who also had no legal right to marriage.

“I will not give up until every one of us can marry,” Perry insisted, comparing Heaven to attending the WOW 2003 conference.

A brief skit produced for the WOW 2003 audience showed three troubled disciples in a storm-tossed boat. One, a young woman, declares: “I am bisexual and can’t find acceptance in the gay community.” A man says, “I am a 19 year old gay. Or am I queer? And I’m Presbyterian. But I’m not sure what that means!” A third person complains she is age 22 but cannot “find a voice” in the gay community.

Then a figure representing Jesus appears, played by a young woman wrapped in the rainbow flag, which is the emblem of the homosexual movement. “Take heart, it is I,” she says. “Do not be afraid.”


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To: Cvengr
God gave us free will

Now you think you know better than him and want to take it away to make things nicve like God wants.

You are a lunatic.

So9

141 posted on 08/30/2003 8:43:47 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: xzins; At _War_With_Liberals; Dr. Eckleburg; snerkel
I forgot that too. It is more than a coincidence though.
142 posted on 08/30/2003 8:44:19 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: wimpycat
"She argued that having multiple sexual partners can be 'holy.'Ó

And monkeys can fly out of my butt.

There will probably soon be a new "church" just for that sort of thing.

143 posted on 08/30/2003 8:46:48 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: xzins
A ludicrous fringe group.
144 posted on 08/30/2003 8:47:48 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: BenLurkin
LOL--Great posting! I couldn't have put it better, myself.
145 posted on 08/30/2003 8:49:54 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: xzins
It was just a matter of time.

Agreed. But it didn't start with homosexuality. It started when we loosened our morals and accepted lust, fornication, cohabitation, pornogratphy, adultery, etc.

All of the above are in direct contrast to what the Bible teaches. The best way to eliminate homosexuality from society is to stick with the ban on ALL immoral behaviours. When you allow one, you open the door to the rest. When will it all (or the society that condones it) end? It's only a matter of time.

146 posted on 08/30/2003 9:02:11 PM PDT by wai-ming
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To: unspun
They'll have to start a new religion. Christianity is already 100% anti-homosexuality and will never change.

I think we are witnessing the start of the Anti-Christ's "church." Soon this will be the official religion.

147 posted on 08/30/2003 9:10:43 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
"I think we are witnessing the start of the Anti-Christ's "church." Soon this will be the official religion."

Liberals intend to create the greatest religion- in their own image, of course. The state will replace God when they can pull off the final deception.


148 posted on 08/30/2003 9:45:17 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (If Hillary ever takes the oath of office, she will be the last President the US will ever have. -RR)
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To: xzins
“I disagree with the queer movement [when it claims] that sexual orientation is predetermined,” Kolodny said, asserting that the existence of bisexuality “challenges all that.”

“I know a lot of women who chose to become lesbian,” Kolodny said.

“I’m not sure we can make the case for genetic predetermination,” Kolodny stressed...

Kolodny lamented that the “queer” movement insists on the “party line” of genetic predetermination as part of a “political strategy.”

“The queer movement relies on, ‘We can’t help it. We’re born this way,’ Kolodny said. “It feels so safe. If you don’t say it you’re thrown to the lions and you’re evil.”

She charged that denying free choice in sex preference was “perpetuating the hetero-patriarchy,” helping the “radical right,” ignoring bisexuality, and making it easier for “hate” to continue.

I felt that these statements bore repeating. They are very revealing. More and more homo-activists are admitting that homosexuality (or in this case, anything goes) is a choice.

I wish that Christians who adhere to Biblical principles would be more vocal about the kind of sick degeneracy and subversion described in the above article. Maybe giving up allegiance to "their" sect when it abandons God's teachings, and going to a church that hasn't gone over to the dark side.

149 posted on 08/30/2003 10:02:48 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Jorge
So perhaps we should have taken consenting adults who commit adultery or homosexuality in the privacy of their homes and thrown them all in jail, and we would have prevented this sort of sexual permissiveness?

Santorum looks like an idiot.

If you had done any reading on Santorum's statement and what he subsequently said (I can' believe you haven't) you would know that he - and others who agree with him - do not want police banging on doors to see what people are doing in the privacy of their houses. The whole intent and purpose of anti-sodomy laws are to keep deviant sexual behavior PRIVATE - where it belongs. To keep deviant sexual behavior from becoming public and mainstream, thereby destroying the moral fabric and foundation of civilization.

Santorum got it right.

150 posted on 08/30/2003 10:12:46 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: jocon307
Something very bad happened to the world in 1968, where it will lead to I have no idea, but it sure seems like Apocolypse soon is likely.

Please explain the date reference??

151 posted on 08/30/2003 10:14:19 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
The Supreme Court did not invalidate all sodomy laws. The Texas Sodomy decision effected only laws concerning private sex acts. Several states such as NC and VA are still enforcing their sodomy laws. Local officials in those states argue that their laws concern public acts, not private, and apply to straights as well as gays. Of course, the ACLU and other gay rights groups are not pleased. Looks like the Supreme Court shall be handling another sodomy case in the near future.
152 posted on 08/30/2003 10:31:02 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: streetpreacher
That's not a fair argument, brother... guilt by association. So can we assume that those who hold that homosexuality is determined are reflecting the antinomianism thrusted upon us by Calvinism that makes men deny their responsibility before God?

Call it what you like, but it is better than outright lying about Calvinist beliefs. Can you name any true public Calvinist who is antinomian? Just one. Can you name even one confession that teaches both the Doctrines of Grace and antinomianism? Being that you can't, either you don't understand that which you criticize, or you are engaging in a deliberate slander.

Furthermore, can you name any confession or published ST by a five point "Calvinist" who teaches a rejection of personal responsibility? In my experience, it is the "Free Will" Theorist who teaches either legalism or the true "The Law Was Nailed To The Cross" antinomianism.

Noodle this out a bit, if what the student of reformed theology is true, then the same God who brings about faith and belief (via election/regeneration) will also bring about sanctification to perfection. (Romans 8:30; Eph 1:4-5). Compare this to Free Will Theory (FWT) that places the burden of salvation on one who hates God (Roman 1:20), is a mortal enemy of God, rebels against all that God says can never please God (Romans 8:6-8), slaves to Hell and sin(Romans 6:19-20; Eph 2:1-3), can't understand the Gospel, consider it foolishness (1 Cor 2:14), and are blinded to the Gospel command to repent (2 Cor 4:4), and would prefer for rocks to fall and crush them than to bow the knee (Rev 6:16). Somehow everyone who comes to Christ must first make God a liar. Then this person grades his own test and gives himself an 'A'. This is accomplished because the FWT says "I believe in Jesus". Well what constitutes belief? What if the Jesus that the FWT claims to believe in has nothing in common with the Jesus found in Scripture? Quite possible, actually inevitable.
Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?"
Yet the FWT claims to believe the same God that said that the unregenerate has no hope in believing on his own. For the FWT, to believe in Jesus means that you can't believe the Bible. That is an inescapable paradox.

Now returning to the article. I bet that it would be impossible to find a true five point Calvinist who teaches that the saved can engage in the hedonism and vile perversity that regularly is tolerated and accepted in the FWT community. The passages referenced above are prooftexts that indicate that many of those who claim to "believe in Jesus because of their own Free Will" will also use that same free will to believe anything else that they want to believe.

153 posted on 08/30/2003 10:35:49 PM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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To: unspun
The plan is to get enough sects to accept it so that the can call the others extreeme..
154 posted on 08/31/2003 12:01:12 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: mugsy
Mugs, I think the vast majority of libertarian Christians are doing their best to make sense out of a world where moral consensus has gone out the window.

I did read your post. YOU try not to be irresponsible. At the same time, the consequences of the behavior of others endangers us all, and especially our little one.

There is a time and a place for considering and controlling those consequences.

My point: A libertarian cannot just say, "do what you like" and then walk away. Many act that way. Consequences to their own loved ones, however, will eventually bring them back to some form of social controls.
155 posted on 08/31/2003 3:26:18 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: Dr Warmoose; the_doc; CCWoody
Ping to #153.

You all need to meet each other.
156 posted on 08/31/2003 3:32:42 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: Dr Warmoose; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Jean Chauvin; RnMomof7; drstevej
Ping to #153.

You all need to meet each other.
157 posted on 08/31/2003 3:33:27 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
Liberal Christians? The ultimate oxymoron.
158 posted on 08/31/2003 3:41:52 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Now that you mention it.... :>)
159 posted on 08/31/2003 3:48:14 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
This really should have had a "barf alert" on it.

Carolyn

160 posted on 08/31/2003 4:04:21 AM PDT by CDHart
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