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Posted on 09/01/2003 11:22:11 AM PDT by GrandMoM
Is there room for gays inside the Republicans' Big Tent?
Gays and the GOP
How a Republican group is trying to make sexual orientation a non-issue for the party
By Arlene Getz
NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE
July 3 Gays have always been more likely to vote Democrat. But as the 2004 White House race shifts into gearand the issue of same-sex marriage becomes a national talking pointa few Republicans are stepping up their efforts to attract homosexuals into the big tent.
YET WILL GAY voters ever really feel welcome in a GOP that is backed by a legion of conservative Christians? One of the party organizations trying to make that happen is the Republican Unity Coalition (RUC)a group of gay and straight party members established more than two years ago in a bid to make sexual orientation a non-issue among their supporters. A Wedge Is Born: Gay Marriage and 2004
The RUC was one of several groups that filed an amicus (friend of the court) brief arguing that the Texas sodomy law, struck down by the Supreme Court last week, was unconstitutional. Describing itself as less a grass-roots movement than one for grass topsRepublicans with long-established and often powerful roles in the GOPthe RUCs big-name members include former president Gerald Ford and former Wyoming senator Alan K. Simpson. Simpson, the groups honorary chairman, spoke to NEWSWEEKs Arlene Getz this week about gay Republicans, the religious right and the 2004 election. Excerpts:
NEWSWEEK: Why did you join the Republican Unity Coalition? Allan K. Simpson: I dont think theres anyone in America [who] doesnt have someone close to them whos part of the gay or lesbian population. I met the head of the Log Cabin Republicans [a gay GOP group] almost 10 years ago when I was working on immigration [legislation.] They had the same conflicts about abortion, about taxesthere really wasnt much discussion about the gay-lesbian issue. At the end of it I said I had no idea of the kind of anguish that they must go through, none. I said that if I can help turn that tide then Id be glad to do so Then theres my deep regard and affection for Dick and Lynne Cheney and [their gay daughter] Mary, whom I watched grow up.
One of the RUCs goals is to sideline the influence of religious conservatives in the GOP. RUC honorary chairman Alan K. Simpson We dont have any concept of sidelining anyone. Thats not our intent at all.
What about sidelining their agenda? Im not into anything but the awareness of tolerance and the importance of an honest appraisal of acceptance. It matters not to me what they do. I dont do those things to sideline anybody. Were not asking for anything special [for gays]just openness, honesty, tolerance. Even the word acceptance may not be good, because you dont have to accept anybody in life.
This doesnt sound like a traditional Republican speaking. Thats a stereotype. Whats always curious to me is how liberal-progressive people are always babbling about how they never stereotype. Well, thats B.S. I dont know what the hell I amconservative, liberal? You figure it out.
How much is the religious right shaping the GOPs agenda? I would see people at rallies as I campaigned for [the first President] Bush and [Bob] Dole and the second Bush and I would say: You apparently are part of the Christian right. What do you believe thats so frightening to the rest of us? They said: We believe that the educational system is a failure. We think the entertainment industry is debasing America. We feel that the soaps in the afternoons consist of the horniest people that have ever [roamed] the earth scratching at every orifice. And we believe in God. Whats wrong with those people? What is the evil of the Christian right? They believe in God and they believe in family values. What is so horrific about that?
Im not judging their values, just asking the extent to which they are influencing the party? It is always brought up in a negative way. Thats the way it is.
What about their disapproval of gays? Im not comfortable with some of their views, especially with regard to homosexuality. My view doesnt match theirs on abortion. But I think the Republicans are getting smart enough now to realize [the value of] what Reagan saidgive me a guy whos with me 70 percent of the time instead of some jerk whos against me 100 percent of the time. The 100 percenters in our party are less, thank heavens, because the hundred percenters are the guys you want to stay away from. Theyre people who seethe. Those are the people who didnt vote [for George Bush in 1992] and gave us Bill Clinton. And if theres ever a group of people who think of the anti-Christ as Bill Clinton, then its the archconservative right-wing people you and I describe.
Are you saying that because theyll back George W. Bush in 2004 whatever happens, he can start reaching out to moderates like those represented by the RUC. Im not saying that at all. Im just saying that I think theres less chance this time of a flight of those people from the presidential race on the basis of their agenda. They know that George W. Bush is listening to them.
Is the GOPs big tent getting smaller? I dont think so. If you want to go and look at the big tent shrinking, go and look at the Democrats. The fabric is unraveling at the edge of their tent because if they nominate Howard Dean, they can kiss half the Congress goodbye.
Can a group like the RUC fit into a Republican Party dominated by Karl Rove? They are fitting within it, because in it are people Karl Rove is going to count on to help George W. Bush get re-electedlike Jerry Ford and Mary Cheney and [former congressman] Michael Huffington.
So there are no tensions between those in the RUC and those on the right? I do not see that, because when they surface, theyre not getting the acceptance that they have before. Ten years ago, after a decision like this [the Texas sodomy case] in the court, airwaves would have been filled with the horror of the destruction of the family. Now, sure its out there. But not in any way like it would have been 10 years ago.
Yet less than three months ago, Republican Sen. Rick Santorum caused an uproar by likening homosexual activity to bigamy and incest. I thought [those comments] were sad. I know Rick and I respect him, but I think that view was a little bit bizarre.
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Is there room for Christian Conservatives? A lot of us are beginning to wonder. You can't own EVERY voting bloc. It makes sense not to alienate a PROVEN bloc in pursuit of another hostile one.
Im not saying that at all. Im just saying that I think theres less chance this time of a flight of those people from the presidential race on the basis of their agenda. They know that George W. Bush is listening to them.
....funny thing is, I have never heard or read about any one homosexual or one of their organizations say that the weren't part of the agenda.
....time to wake up!!
....read post #3
And Pro-Christ/Pro-life Born Again Christians.
"It should be a non-issue. As long as they understand that "rights" that are based on one's behavior is counter to the conservative platform."
How can behavior that is COUNTER to a conervative be a "non-issue"? You make absolutely no sense and your logic desperately needs help.
Well, how tolerant of you... Good riddance, see ya! You can join the Nazi party, they don't allow homosexuals.
By the way, there is no litmus test to joining the party, they are already here. So I guess you'll be leaving now, won't you?
Allan K. Simpson: I dont think theres anyone in America [who] doesnt have someone close to them whos part of the gay or lesbian population.
Pure unadulterated crapola. Just because he looks in the mirror and either sees a perv, or is surrounded with them (I neither know nor care) he thinks everyone else in the world is just like him and his (no doubt) east coast elite friends.
What about sidelining their agenda? Im not into anything but the awareness of tolerance and the importance of an honest appraisal of acceptance
Why should Republicans accept sodomy and those who practice it? Why is this idiot a Republican anyway?
It matters not to me what they do.
This is exactly the problem. Homosexuals and their promoters want everyone to NOT LOOK at the elephant in the room. There is only ONE THING that makes a "homosexual" any different from anyone else, and that is their unhealthy, unnatural, destructive and immoral sexual practices. Why is that topic off-limits?
Were not asking for anything special [for gays]just openness, honesty, tolerance.
Double-speak. If you take off the table as a relevant topic what homosexuals do, then it turns into the pretense that they are a legitimate minority such as an ethnic or racial minority, which is an insult to real minorities.
Now I'll read the rest of the article and lucky I don't want to eat dinner anyway; I'm on a diet.
Because the main-steam media is in the (back) pocket of the homosexual activists and their buddies.
And some conservatives (too many) have been frightened into silence, or even believing the propaganda of the homo-activists.
Here we go again. Please read "The Pink Swastika" (www.defendthefamily.com) or "The Hidden Hitler" (amazon, maybe elsewhere) and find out about the history and philosophy of the Nazis. Many of the Nazis were flagrant homosexuals and their philosophy was based on a greco-homo-erotic militaristic nationalist "might makes right" Neitzche-esque hodge-podge. Inform yourself, it'll feel good and make you look smarter.
Even the Nazi party in the US has primarily had homosexual leadership!
Sigh. I guess a lot of people just don't take the time to read up. History shows that among the Nazi elite, as well as SA members especially, there were many, many homosexuals. Their whole philosophy was based on an ultra-masculine militaristic homo-erotic cultish crap. This is undeniably true. Homosexuals have been busy for the last 25 years revising history to suit their plea for "minority" status. Homosexuals were not sent en masse to the camps, many of the capos and camp commanders were homosexuals and sadists who raped and sexually tortured prisoners. The homosexuals who were sent were the "femme" type who were scorned by the ultra macho Nazis.
Why don't you read the books I mentioned? Inform yourself.
It still doesnt change the fact that your intolerance is a liability to the party.
First of all, if homosexuals want to vote Republican, great. The more the better. That is completely different than the Republican party making the "gay" agenda part of their platform. The Democrats already are the patrons of the homosexual agenda, we're supposed to have a two-party system.
Political alignment should have nothing to do with one's sexual orientation.
Homosexual activists have made their sex life a powerful political issue. And I'm supposed to grin and swallow it?
Political alignment should have nothing to do with one's sexual orientation.
Homosexual activists have made their sex life a powerful political issue. And I'm supposed to grin and swallow it? <<<<<
That's the way it's supposed to look. So much for my proofreading!
I do. What IS in a persons heart is REFLECTED DIRECTLY in their behavior. I don't find homosexual to be RIGHT in their behavior (or heart for that matter) and certainly NOT conservative. Their behavior is immoral. I see you ONLY look at ANYTHING but morality. In other words, you revel in being relative. I don't.
"I don't see how anyone's sexual orientation runs counter to any of these points of conservatism. But, since you so strongly believe that it does, I wonder what other personal behavior you find unwelcome in our party..."
I already stated what I thought of your relative stance on on ever lowering social mores. Other behavior? Why get into it if you can't comprehend how homosexuality is NOT conservative or moral? That one should be obvious to any thinking person.
Hmmmm how would they redistrict to take in gays as a group, aside from SanFran?
As I had indicated in my original post, I welcome them to the party so long as they realize that "gay rights" are counter to the party philosophy.
"If men will not be governed by the Ten Commandments, they shall be governed by the ten thousand commandments." --G. K. Chesterton
I know this isn't a 10 Commandment thread, but here is evidence from a great American and a great thinker and moralist showing that morality and civiliation are inextricably bound together. Until the last 25 years, no sane person would have ever thought that the homo-activists would ever have achieved what they have now. Same sex acts have always been considered deviant, sick, immoral, harmful, and illegal. There is only ONE reason why anyone thinks differently about it today: the destruction of moral absolutes, helped by Kinsey, Marx and Lenin, and a host of atheists, hedonists and secular humanists, and aided and abetted by shallow religionists of all stripes.
True, but that violates the second law of homosexuality. To wit:
To the mentally healthy person (heterosexual), sex is something they do
To the mentally diseased person ('homosexual'), sex is everything they are