Battle Over Commandments Monument Part of Larger 'Culture War'

The Centre Daily Times [College Station, PA] ^ | August 27, 2003 | Mark I. Pinsky [The Orlando Sentinel]

[jwalsh07]

Do you believe that the First Amendment does not apply to the states?

The First Amendment has several clauses invovled. The clauses acknowledging the inalienable individual rights of man are undoubtedly incorporated by the 14th Amendment to the states.

The establishment clause, a restraint on the Federal gov't, was never meant to be incorporated. However, if you don't believ me research the 15 attempts by Congress to amend the First to include the states. It failed each time.

But that's neither here nor there because the original intent of the First Amendment was never to build a "Wall of Separation". A rudimentary knowledge of the history of America, it's founders and the debate on the First Amendment while states had established religions would confirm that, no?

Do you believe that the current SCOTUS will rule that the First Amendment does not apply to the states, specifically to a state supreme court justice?

Absolutely not. I believe there are 5 votes on this court to find a right to transcendent rights to whatever they can dream up.

Justice Stephens to Justice Ginsburg:

Ruthie, have you found any precedent for banning the voluntary recitation of the POA with the words "under God" included?

No Jean Paul, can't seem to find it anywhere in the Constitution or original intent per se, doggonitt!

That's OK Ruthie, we'll just find it in the 14th like we usually do!

Ohhhhhhhh Jean Paul, you're the man!!!!

[Chancellor Palpatine]

It's time to stop worshiping at the altar of the elitist, asshole oligarchs in robes.

Now there is a real Christian statement for you. Of course, if one of us on the other end of the ideological divide had called Moore that, we'd expect hordes of angry, hurt posters slamming the abuse button.

[quidnunc]

george wythe wrote: Do you believe that the First Amendment does not apply to the states?

I believe that the 14th Amendment made the provisions of the Constitution applicable to all governmental entities at every level.

The federal courts have ruled on the subject therefore the question is stare decisis until SCOTUS renders another decision.

Roy's rock is a cooked goose, so it's time to accept reality and move on.

[jwalsh07]

Now there is a real Christian statement for you. Of course, if one of us on the other end of the ideological divide had called Moore that, we'd expect hordes of angry, hurt posters slamming the abuse button.

You got the wrong guy Pal. I'm a sinner, always have been. I do my best but have never quite gotten my arms around the turning of the cheek thing for one.

So save your moral indignation for somebody who is not wont to smack you back.

[nothingnew]

It's time to stop worshiping at the altar of the elitist, asshole oligarchs in robes.

HEAR HEAR!(I couldn't have said it any better!)

FMCDH

[jwalsh07]

The federal courts have ruled on the subject therefore the question is stare decisis until SCOTUS renders another decision

Like Bowers?

[george wythe]

I wish that the 14th Amendment were interpreted closer to your opinion, but I have to admit that I don't see that possibility in the near future, especially with the current make-up of the SCOTUS.

Once the federal courts take power away from the states, they are relunctant to give it back; that seems to be the mindset of both conservative and liberal justices in the SCOTUS.

IMO, we will need to confirm at least three more solid conservative justices to the SCOTUS while keeping the current conservatives; these freshmen must take the lead and not follow the current justices if the states have any chance of getting back some of the usurped powers.

[jwalsh07]

Oh,yeah. Feel free to hit whatever button your little rat heart desires.

[quidnunc]

Bowers v. Hardwick has nothing to do with church/state issues.

[jwalsh07]

I agree with you George and you've put your finger on the problem. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and in our America the closest thing there is to absolute power lies in the heart of the federal judiciary and there seems to be absolutely nothing to be done about it.

Congress doesn't have the heart or soul do take them on.

Hence, the frustration that you rightfully see from me.

[jwalsh07]

Bowers v. Hardwick has nothing to do with church/state issues.

Bowers was settled law UNTIL a new court said it wasn't. The issue is judicial activism, ergo its' relevance.

[nothingnew]

I'm a sinner, always have been. I do my best but have never quite gotten my arms around the turning of the cheek thing for one.

So save your moral indignation for somebody who is not wont to smack you back.

I'm with you. I'll "turn my cheek" when it comes to foolish words and asinine thoughts...but when the attack is on my core beliefs, beware.

FMCDH

[quidnunc]

jwalsh07 wrote: I agree with you George and you've put your finger on the problem. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and in our America the closest thing there is to absolute power lies in the heart of the federal judiciary and there seems to be absolutely nothing to be done about it. Congress doesn't have the heart or soul do take them on. Hence, the frustration that you rightfully see from me.

Ah yes, but are you one of those wingnut cranks who would rather vote for some lunatic-fringe candidate on 'principle' rather than voting for an electable Republican who actually might be able to get conservative judges appointed and confirmed?

If so then in my opinion you have no standing to complain.

[jwalsh07]

Ah yes, but are you one of those wingnut cranks who would rather vote for some lunatic-fringe candidate on 'principle' rather than voting for an electable Republican who actually might be able to get conservative judges appointed and confirmed?

LOL. Here at FR I have run the gamut from statist to wingnut. I vote and will always vote in the primaries for pro life, pro gun, pro constituion and pro America candidates. In the general elections I have always voted for the candidate closes to those views with a chance of being elected.

If so then in my opinion you have no standing to complain.

Just goes to show what some opinions are worth.

[jwalsh07]

I'm with you. I'll "turn my cheek" when it comes to foolish words and asinine thoughts...but when the attack is on my core beliefs, beware

:-}

[steplock]

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Antonio Gramsci, 1891-1937

In 1919 an Italian socialist named Antonio Gramsci began to publish a newspaper in Milan called, L'Ordine Nuovo, or "The New Order." Loosely rendered, he concluded that the average person would never voluntarily reject the faith and culture of the West. He concluded that the best way to implement a collectivist government was to use an intellectual elite to destroy traditional values by attacking fundamental Jewish and Christian beliefs.

Antonio Gramsci, 1891-1937

...A. The New Order (L'Ordine Nuovo)
......1. Italian Communist newspaper, founded 1919
......2. Co-founder of Italian Communist Party, 1921
......3. Pre-Prison Writings, ed. Richard Bellamy (Cambridge, 1994)
......4. Selections from the Prison Notebooks (Intl. Publishers, 1971)

...B. Lenin was wrong, and the Leninist revolution will fail
......1. The workers will see the revolutionary government as a new boss
......2. When the revolution fails, the west will re-import Capitalism

...C. Gradual revolution through infiltration & subversion by revolutionaries
......1. Infiltrate the State: elective & appointed office; judgeships
......2. Infiltrate the military: enlist & subvert from within
......3. Infiltrate justice: undermine and discredit state constitutions
......4. Infiltrate education: professors & administrators
......5. Infiltrate & discredit religion: scoundrels as clergymen
......6. Register, then license, then confiscate all privately held weapons

...D. Form or infiltrate international organizations to promote goals such as "global understanding," "economic development," "transfer of resources"

...E. Both Capitalism and Judaeo-Christian culture must be destroyed before a Communist revolution can succeed
......1. Religious sentiment cannot be destroyed through legislation, as Lenin believed, but must be redirected from the divine to the state
.........a. Terror will only drive Religion underground
.........b. Religion will then reemerge when Leninism fails
.........c. So Religion must be destroyed in the minds of men
......2. Infiltrate religious academies and become priests and clergymen
.........a. Subtly promote heresy within religious organizations
.........b. Infiltrators must act so as to discredit the church
............(1) Cause financial and sexual scandals
............(2) See that this is given a high profile in the news
............(3) Like-minded infiltrators in the media will cooperate
......3. Once religion is discredited from within, continuously promote the idea that only the state can solve the problems that have been traditionally brought before the church
...F. When propagating revolutionary ideas, cloak them in polite terms
......1. National Consensus
......2. Popular Mandate
......3. National Pacification
......4. Pluralism
......5. Global Community
......6. Economic Justice
......7. Economic Democracy
......8. Liberation Theology
......9. Direct Action
...G. Marxists "must enter into every civil, cultural, and political activity in every nation, leavening them as yeast leavens bread."

[Patriotways]

Annan in historic meeting with Supreme Court &Congress/is believed to be unprecedented.http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b0c30a81760.htm
a package of 34 treaties, all of which were ratified by a show of hands -- no recorded vote.http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a325b3f5d31.htm
Wake-up Justice Breyer: U. S. Constitution should be subordinated to international will
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/941589/posts

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[LiteKeeper]

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[lugsoul]

"A losing argument if ever there was one."

Your cronies have been making it repeatedly here on FR.