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A little Rant about the "Most Selfish Generation" (Vanity)
FreeRepublic ^ | 09/02/2003 | ME

Posted on 09/02/2003 6:17:04 AM PDT by tcostell

They had their childhood in the 50's and remembered it as a time of unambiguous innocence.

They had their adolescence in the 60's when they decided that their parents view of hard work and respect for family were "antiquated" ideas that no longer should apply in this age of social awareness. They preached free love while they spouted hate and burned the symbol of their country and called those who were risking their lives for them "baby killers". "Private property" became dirty words to them. Crime soared, many fathers were replaced by the government.

In the 70's they left college and got jobs, but the adolescence continued. They now had more money to buy stronger drugs, and indulge in more exotic means of gratification. Those that did marry gave up on the idea, and divorce rates climbed. They called it a journey to "find themselves" but they were already utterly devoted to their own egos. They even went so far as to name themselves the "me" generation. They replaced the minister with the psychologist, and the community with cultural awareness groups.

In the 80's the myth of socialism finally died, and with it also, their already threadbare pretense of caring about anyone but themselves. The ideas of family and community had been trampled under the feet of the proletariat. In the 80's it became about obtaining wealth, and the rules be damned. Excess was still the preferred flavor, but with age beginning to take it's toll it became external excesses rather than the sex and drugs of the last 2 decades. Conspicuous consumption was the new trend and exercise became the fashion in an attempt to hold back the tide of time.

In the 90's they elected their king, and filled the corridors of power with their number, but it turned out that the emperor's new robe was a stained blue dress. They told each other lies about the "new business cycle" and picked each others pockets. They put off till tomorrow everything they could so they could have one last moment of ego gratification. The band played as the new millennium rolled in. But then there came a day when everyone knew that the party was over. The markets stopped pretending everything would go on forever, and the World Trade Center came crashing down.

I'm a part of the generation that has followed along behind the baby boomers paying the bill. No one asked me if I wanted to, (in fact they still never ask me) they simply present the bill and await payment. I was bussed to public school as a child, turned down from ivy league colleges while my friends with worse performance were accepted in deference to affirmative action. I was taught to fear aids and other diseases when I was laid off in the 80's, and watched my savings and stock options turn to so much wallpaper in the 90's. Worst of all, I lost lifelong friends in the World Trade Center, and my wife still has nightmares about how close I came to being there myself. I've grown accustomed to the idea that although I've paid vast sums into social security, it won't be there for me. It was never "for me" anyway. And now that age is upon them they would like me to pay for their medical care as well. Even if it costs me everything I have. Even if it's long gone but still being paid for by my 3 year old daughter.

I know it will probably happen. The baby boomers are arguable the most short sighted and self interested generation that America has ever seen but they are in the majority so there is no-one to stop them. I'm even certain they will come up with some grand rationalization about why I should be thrilled to pay the bill for them one more time. But it won't really be for me... it never is.

In the meantime I'll care for my family with whatever is left. The schools have failed so my wife and I will teach our daughter ourselves in our own home if we have to. We'll make room for both my parents and my in-laws when they can't afford the property taxes needed to live alone anymore. We'll make our family the center of our universe because the family works better than all the government run pipe dreams that the die hards keep trying to sell. They can take everything I have but my self reliance.

We were landless peasants once, and may well be again before the "most spoiled generation" is through, but we'll survive it. And when they finally leave, we'll build the country again. Not as a collective "workers utopia", but as a place where no man is saddled with the burden of another, that he does not willingly take upon himself. Family is the best reason to shoulder a burden. Even community can be a good reason sometimes ...if the links are close enough. But it should be asked for not ordered. And the government can only order.

I don't ever need to be on the receiving end of government largess. I would just like to see the generation that precedes me to pay their own way for once. I'll carry my own water... and I think they should do the same.


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To: conservativeinbflo.
"What GOOD have the boomers actually brought to the fore? Their parenting skills leave much to be desired,"

Momma didn't love you, huh?

51 posted on 09/02/2003 7:47:27 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Marie
Ditto Bump. I am my grandmother 40 years removed.

She lived through the Depression, and growing up through WWII without a father, and becoming an independent lady through hard work, sacrifice, and service for others.

I can only hope I turn into her.

I love my mother, but I won't be her social-wise.

52 posted on 09/02/2003 7:50:30 AM PDT by Maigrey (Keepin' Tags and lots o' Hugs for Sara Grace and Logan)
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To: joey'smom
I don't think the issue is about him, but the forcing (through excessive taxation) to support others who cannot (or willnot) support themselves. It's called Self-reliance, something which I also advocate.
53 posted on 09/02/2003 7:53:37 AM PDT by Maigrey (Keepin' Tags and lots o' Hugs for Sara Grace and Logan)
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To: tcostell
Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint!
54 posted on 09/02/2003 7:56:28 AM PDT by The Green Goblin
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To: Ferret Fawcet
Some of us are slowly trying to make things better, but are faced with such a mountain to dig out from under.

The socialists want to do everything, for the children when all the funding (through excessive taxation) is going to pet Pig projects and and people's pockets. Get the lawyers out and get some MBA people to run it like a business. It'll cost less...

55 posted on 09/02/2003 7:57:50 AM PDT by Maigrey (Keepin' Tags and lots o' Hugs for Sara Grace and Logan)
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To: ErnBatavia
It's more of a state of mind rather than a age block.
56 posted on 09/02/2003 7:59:17 AM PDT by Maigrey (Keepin' Tags and lots o' Hugs for Sara Grace and Logan)
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To: chris1
Ya know, everybody that wants to make it works their asses off in their twenties, often for peanuts. That's called getting experience. You're not the only one that's gotten screwed.

BTW, some of us bought the lie and later woke up. If you find that offensive, please pray for me. I need it.
57 posted on 09/02/2003 8:00:28 AM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
They gave us drugs, aids, unimaginable debt, abortion on demand, high crime & divorce rates, and are in the process of attempting to not only kick God out of all institutions, but make Him completely illegal.

Don't forget uncontrolled socialism, peaceniks, and environiks...remember, its all for the children.

Boomers born 1946-1964

LSD; formulated 1943, popularized by Timothy Leary, not a boomer. *Amphetamines; formulated pre WWII. *Opium has been around for maybe 5000 years.

Aids; first occurance, 1959.

Unimaginaboe Debt; 90% of the socialist state (which set up our current system of large debts and high taxes) was brought about under Roosevelt and Johnson, neither of whom were elected by boomers (or were boomers). Boomers were RAISED with socialism already in place.

Abortion on demand; Supreme Court ruling, 1973; less than half of the boomers could vote. There wasn't a boomer on that court.

High Crime rates; highest crime rates always in the 15 to 34 year old group. True of the boomers. True of Gen-X. Lots of boomers, high incidence of crime. Boomers grow up, GenX criminals happily take their place.

Divorce; can't dispute with that one. But sexual morals began to be compromised during the "Roaring 20's", if not a bit before.

Kick God out of institutions; prayer in school banned in 1963's. No boomer old enough to vote. No boomers on the court.

Uncontrolled socialism; see Roosevelt and Johnson.

Peaceniks; see Neville Chamberlin, circa 1938.

Environiks; modern environmental movement began with "Silent Spring" a book by by Rachel Carson, 1962, not a boomer.

Before some GenX-ers get completely carried away with their hatred of boomers, perhaps they should do a little research and read a little history. Boombers are not the beginning of the evils of this society, nor the end.

I've been married once, for 28 years. I've always been faithful to my wife (as she has been to me). I've been paying taxes since 1971. I've never tried "pot", let alone the stronger stuff. We're putting our daughter through college so she won't incur any debt. And there are tens of millions of boomers who are productive and selfless. Be careful who you stigmatize.

I don't condemn your generation (and some of you ain't perfect, kids). Don't condemn mine.

58 posted on 09/02/2003 8:01:05 AM PDT by Semi Civil Servant
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To: tcostell
I truly believe this is finally turning around. I (35) am much stricter with my 13 year old son than my parents ever were with me.

I hate the "pop" culture of today, and wont let my son watch most programs on TV, or watch MTV. I think that although "mid-America" is sick of the immortality, Hollywood has yet to get the picture, and seems to be pushing it further.

I see my son, and his classmates, as much more respectful, much more responsible, and much more "in tune" with what matters, then even 15 years ago. I think parents are finally seeing the distruction that their generation has wrought, and trying to improve their future.They seem to be moving back to family time, respect of God, and overall see how a lack of morals are ruining us.

Great rant, I agree 100%, yet I am extremely opptimistic of the future.

59 posted on 09/02/2003 8:05:12 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Semi Civil Servant
"I've been married once, for 28 years. I've always been faithful to my wife (as she has been to me). I've been paying taxes since 1971. I've never tried "pot", let alone the stronger stuff. We're putting our daughter through college so she won't incur any debt. And there are tens of millions of boomers who are productive and selfless."

You are admirable, honorable, and a role model....despite what others may say.

My compliments and thanks.

60 posted on 09/02/2003 8:05:19 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: dmz
You are in denial. Victim??? You don't know me. I ask for no handouts, I am in my own business and started with absolutely nothing. All I want is for the govt and other freeloading people to get out of the way and stop placing impediments in my way to trying to scratch out a living.
61 posted on 09/02/2003 8:10:01 AM PDT by chris1
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To: BlazingArizona
Many boomers were (and still are) communist dupes.
62 posted on 09/02/2003 8:22:37 AM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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To: Sunshine Sister
Yeah! The ranter got the 60's, 70's, 80', and 90's right, but he he fails to understand the fifties. A large number of men of that generation came back from the service with a desire to get an education. Many did, by sacrificing and struggling. Then we got good jobs, married, had families (the 60's and 70's generations) and did what we had to do to make a life after the disastrous 40's. We do not look back on our generation as unambiguously innocent, however. As vets, we had been around, seen a lot and learned much more.

It is difficult for us to understand what happened to the following generations, but I put it down to the malevolent influence of the socialists/commies that infested higher education, and still do. Our grandkids are still being served up socialist ideology in grade school, high school and college. The result has been the "stained blue dress generation" (what an appropriate symbol for the clintinoids out there!) and political, economic and societal chaos.

63 posted on 09/02/2003 8:30:13 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Freerepublic.com is eTruth!)
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To: Semi Civil Servant
Brilliant post...you listed all the points that I wanted to make but couldn't think of.

I'm sorry for the frustration of Gen Xers who think their problems are all baby boomers' fault. I love being a baby boomer, it's been a fantastic ride, and even if you hate us, you have to admit, our story has had one hell of a soundtrack.
64 posted on 09/02/2003 8:32:39 AM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: chris1

65 posted on 09/02/2003 8:39:13 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: ErnBatavia
The Boomers are the children of the 40's generation (and please don't call it the FDR generation! Millions were not followers of that confirmed socialist!). The majority were born after the boys came home after WW II. The real baby "boom" really began about 1946 and many larger families were created until the next generation took over, 20 years later.
66 posted on 09/02/2003 8:40:14 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Freerepublic.com is eTruth!)
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To: tcostell
www.socialsecurity.org

Read it and weep. Wanna raise a family? Own a house? Put kids through college? HA! Granny needs FREE PILLS!!! No money for you.

67 posted on 09/02/2003 8:44:34 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: tcostell
Well said!
68 posted on 09/02/2003 8:49:07 AM PDT by BA63
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To: chris1
You are absolutely right, I don't know you. I concede that point easily. What I do know about you is that you very much dislike being stereotyped, yet have no problem doing so to others. Another character trait of youth.

and you absolutely do have the victim mentality.

"All I want is for the govt and other freeloading people to get out of the way and stop placing impediments in my way to trying to scratch out a living."

It's [insert group name here] fault that you are having difficulties scratching out a living, you say so yourself. And yet you say I'm the one in denial.

Get over it. No one owes you anything, certainly not an easy ride to a good living. You're not even 30 yet, but you seem to be whining that you're not rich yet. You'll start coming into your own a few years down the line (another character trait of youth - I want it now!)
69 posted on 09/02/2003 9:00:53 AM PDT by dmz (go ahead, respond, you can have the last word (maybe))
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To: tcostell
This'll rile up the baby-boomers!

Good rant, dude. Makes me proud to be a member of Gen-X.

70 posted on 09/02/2003 9:04:24 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: ErnBatavia
The baby-boomers aren't our parents. By and large, our parents were pre 1945.

My dad was a Korean War Era Vet--Army Signal Corp 1952.

71 posted on 09/02/2003 9:13:04 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: dmz
First of all, I don't think that not being happy about confiscation of income and silly regulations that hamper the productive and entrprenurial spirit of people is being a "victim." Second, I don't think that your charge agasinst me is even close to fair as you probably have never ever run a business and have no idea whatsoever it is all about. Victim - I am a warrior! I have taken the bull by the horns in life and decided not to wait on some company or gov't agency to provide me with a job.
72 posted on 09/02/2003 9:18:42 AM PDT by chris1
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To: arasina
"Perhaps it's not the generational factor that is the common denominator for selfishness; it could just be the old liberal thought pattern that is the root of the problem."

Deserves repeating.

73 posted on 09/02/2003 9:22:28 AM PDT by BBT
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To: dmz
(read: shut up and learn something first, maybe as you get older you'll have an opinion worth airing out).

Hmmm. I've served on the DMZ in Korea; been laid off 5 times from engineering jobs and got back up on my feet every time. I'm 35 years old ferchrissakes... I think I've learned a few things!

The 'Nintendo Generation' thing is getting old....

No free prescription drugs for you, hippie!

74 posted on 09/02/2003 9:23:39 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: tcostell
I understand your frustration, but disagree with your generalized analysis. As a member of the same generation as you, I recall things a little differently. Yes, all of the bad things you mentioned occurred, but you failed to mention those of us (and our parents) who opposed and/or spoke out against many of the social ills you documented. Our voices were drowned out by the "gimme" crowd and the hippies who wanted a world of sex, drugs and rock 'n roll. The same attacks were waged on us conservatives then as are being waged today by Dems.

Ultimately, despite the direction we took as a nation over the years, the liberals have spent us into a precarious financial position and legislated us into an unhealthy social situation. Yes, our country has many ills, name one country that does not. We have more opportunities to alter our present and future than many other places in the world. Idealism is nice, but reality is a cold bucket of water in the face.

If you dislike our current national situation, do something besides blame it on your parents. Blame it on US, ALL of us, who saw it happening before our eyes and didn't speak up loudly enough. You grew up during a portion of this time, where is the effect of your disapproving voice??

We can't change the past, nor can we change the present. We can LEARN from them and ensure that the FUTURE provides different choices from those we have today. Anyone can rant and whine about what is. Be a vehicle of change and make sure that we never forget the lessons learned from the past 50 years.
75 posted on 09/02/2003 9:30:02 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: chookter
LOL.

My post was to the whiner, not you.

I'm all of ten years older than you. Too young to be a hippie, too young to need free prescription drugs, and about 5 years too old to be considered an x'er.

See what I mean, though, I suggested that in a few years Chris1 (not yet 30) would hit his stride, and you at 35 verifying that what I said is accurate. I appreciate the validation.

Are all x'ers so defensive about how their elders view them. And do you all have such a blind spot about how your hostility to those elders is the same blind spot that EVERY generation has for the ones who came before?

My youngest daughter (age 11) will grow up in the world your generation directs. How will you face her criticism?




76 posted on 09/02/2003 9:38:20 AM PDT by dmz
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To: tcostell
Good rant.
77 posted on 09/02/2003 9:39:42 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: DustyMoment
Ronald Reagan helped change things for the better, but we have had no follow-up. I am disappointed in our present Republican Senate and House.

We need more conservatives and the conservatives that are in office to take the bull by the horns and turn this out of control spending government in the other direction.

Many of us in all age groups have voted and tried our best to stop this social gimmie game. The left lie about Republicans, and I even see on tv young college students, acting as if Republican is a dirty word. Unfortunately, the people believe the BIG LIE.
78 posted on 09/02/2003 9:43:49 AM PDT by HoundsTooth_BP
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To: BBT
AGREED!!!!
79 posted on 09/02/2003 9:50:11 AM PDT by chris1
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To: HoundsTooth_BP
I hope you aren't expecting me to disagree with you.
80 posted on 09/02/2003 9:52:44 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: tcostell
I am one of those baby boomers you speak of.....

I have always said my generation was the worse, but I don't mean that the entire generation is bad....its just that the few limosine liberal baby boomers control virtually everything from media to schools to the goverment and it just SEEMS like the entire generation is bad....

there is a huge dicotomy in my generation....

even while the Viet Nam war was going on, most people my age did not protest, did not burn flags or cars or bras or anything....most people like me were in school or working, just getting by....

people like myself and my friends had nothing to do with the leftist criminal element...we were too busy and too involved and evidently too poor to be out there protesting....

perhaps we are an antique in today's society, but we have been married for a long time, go to church, paid our taxes, and saved our money...

we are paying a heavy burden of taxation for the elderly and yet we still are spending the money for college, and even help a little with our grown son, so we get it from both ends...

MY parents were/are the best....but there are many selfish people from that generation when you think about it....

many never paid any social security taxes yet all of them are recieving much more than they ever put in, and now they want me to pay for all there drugs....geesh....

81 posted on 09/02/2003 9:56:29 AM PDT by cherry
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To: dmz
All I am saying to you is that many younger people, yes us "victims", resent the unparelled financial burdens that will be unloaded on us that were not expected of previous generations. I understand that whoopla about the depression era and all the seniors and all that, but there are many new dealer's and retirees that will get far far far greater from the public doll than they ever put into it. I think that SS is a big sham and to begin with, but that is another story. Who do you think is paying the tab for all of this? It is not so much about generational war as it is about a mind set of entitlement to others peoples' hard worked labor.
82 posted on 09/02/2003 9:58:16 AM PDT by chris1
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To: tcostell
Yeh - I guess us boomers are to blame for everyone in Gen X being self-absorbed, angst-ridden crybabies still living at home and sucking off our wallets. Mea culpa.

Oh, you're not? You mean I might be over-generalizing? Hmm...

83 posted on 09/02/2003 10:02:52 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Ok ok, we all make generalizations, but how else can you discuss overall trends and movements without making them?
84 posted on 09/02/2003 10:06:44 AM PDT by chris1
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To: chris1
Self absorbed? I don't think any group of people has a monpoly on that!
85 posted on 09/02/2003 10:07:29 AM PDT by chris1
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To: Paulus Invictus
"It is difficult for us to understand what happened to the following generations"

When our parents settled down after WW2, everybody was the same economically and socially...

all our parents wanted for we kids was for us to have it easier than them...

thus, we all grew up seeking education and the "good" life, rather than leading a "good" life...

its like our parents dreams for us turning into nightmares.....

how my generation went from watching black and white reruns of "I Love Lucy" into what passes today for entertainment, I will never know....

86 posted on 09/02/2003 10:08:10 AM PDT by cherry
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To: tcostell
Not all Baby Boomers have voted this way. My husband and I are Boomers in our 50's and we keep asking ourselves why GenXer's don't (as a class) vote! We keep voting for candidates who are for plans that will truly reform both Social Security and Medicare, and still keep them viable, but there is no substantial support from the GenX age group.

The reason SS and Medicare may not be around when you are there is that the current retirees, not Baby Boomers, keep pushing for more benefits. (Also, the funds have been given out for non social security reasons)

If these benefits are maintained through the Baby Boom generation, the massive numbers of Boomers will probably deplete the imaginary trust fund.

Flame away!

87 posted on 09/02/2003 10:12:05 AM PDT by TiCobra
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To: laotzu
Actually, I'm a little surprised how many people are taking this personally. If someone wrote something about how apathetic gen-X'ers are I certainly wouldn't get upset about it because I would assume that the author was not referring to me, but to a general trend they observed.

I was born in 1963 so I'm actually a little old for GenX and a little young for boomer. My rant wasn't based upon my experience with my parents but on 40 years of watching American culture change around me. I'm not saying that my parents were exceptions either. Like most people, in some ways they are part of the solution, and in others they are part of the problem. But it wasn't really about them, it was about the intelligencia. It's about anyone who believes that Bill Clinton is the best of their generation. It's about the people who can't wait to spend my money on something they want. If those people were offended maybe they should look at themselves.

That doesn't describe any Freepers I know, but out of courtesy I apologized anyway because I know sometimes people can take things the wrong way.

Of course, sometimes they take them the right way too, so I'll leave it to you all to decide whether this applies to you or not.

Thanks for your patience.

88 posted on 09/02/2003 10:17:15 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: chris1
It isn't that they're over-generalizations, it's that they're (1) too broad to admit of meaningful analysis, and (2) insulting. I would point out - and I don't mean this in a disparaging way - that those who claim to speak for my generation are as silly and self-absorbed as those who claim to speak for others. Some bright-eyed liberal claiming that the Boomers were the Smartest Generation Ever is just as presumptuous as a Gen-X'er claiming...well, let's not go there.

No generation is exempt from an element of its population who pass negative things to its successors. Many of the bills that are becoming unwieldy due to demographic change did not originate in the Great Society nor even in the New Deal, but much earlier when it wasn't that bad a deal to pass a dollar's worth of benefit to a single individual on to two individuals who would have to pay a half a buck apiece to remunerate it. Now it's a buck to repay a half a buck's benefits - there are no longer a growing number of repayers. Clearly those longstanding policies are overdue for review. But they are not unique to any generation.

It should be remembered that much that is positive, including the tools to address that problem, is, in part, a product of the generations who are blamed for causing it: the Internet, for example, and advances in medical science that make retirement a more distant option for many even as it allows them to live longer to enjoy it. It is these factors that will determine how the system is to be fixed. Blame is irrelevant and counterproductive. All IMHO and subject to debate, of course.

89 posted on 09/02/2003 10:19:54 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DustyMoment
Actually I sympathize with your position and deeply regret that folks like you weren't in the majority.

I think things would probably be better for all of us if they were.

90 posted on 09/02/2003 10:21:38 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: tcostell
How 'bout the Gen Xers who live with their parents and run up credit card debts? Each generation thinks the prior one is inferior.
91 posted on 09/02/2003 10:28:05 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Well that sounds like irresponsible behavior but I think it's the kind of thing that only hurts the individual. As opposed to other generations flirtations with socialism which hurt everyone.
92 posted on 09/02/2003 10:32:53 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: cherry
Thanks for "getting" my point.
93 posted on 09/02/2003 10:38:11 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: Billthedrill
Unfortunately, the longer the retirees live, the more broke the system will get. It sounds cold and cruel, but how can we afford to pay for someone on SS for 20 years or so? Multiply that by tens on millions.
94 posted on 09/02/2003 10:46:01 AM PDT by chris1
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To: ErnBatavia
Just a guess on my part, but I seem to see a helluva a lot more 20/30-somethings still suckling at the teat than I remember of the previous generation.

When you say suckling at the teat, you're a little unclear. Many of us Gen-X er's have really gotten kicked in the teeth because of the greed and selfishness of the baby boomers.

Because of the boomers (not all of you of course), we have severe unemployment (greed at the hands of the 45-65 yr old CEO's and their questionable accounting), more broken households than we can shake a stick at(because marriage to them was nothing more than a convenient business contract,and sacrifice and commitment to children is not even part of their vocabulary) a pathetic disgrace of a public school system ( because parents don't get involved and leave it to subpar "educators" to do their job, and waste millions of dollars on a Federally centralized,pork-filled, liberal-agenda driven social experiment), and an erosion of the traditional family (because both parents have to work in order to keep up the mortgage payments on the Mc Mansion.)

Trust me , I could go on and on. The only reason that some Gen Xer's are choosing to stay at home, is simply because there aren't any opportunities in the job market. If I had a home to go to, (I can't because my parents are divorced) I would in order to save cash and pay off debt. In conclusion, I think Gen Xer's are a lot more conservative than the baby boomers give us credit for.

95 posted on 09/02/2003 10:49:19 AM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy (SCUZZBRUSH BULKHEAD...3, 2, 1!)
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To: chris1
You do what they're already doing - increase the age at which benefits are paid out and slow their increase with reference to the actuarial rates. There really isn't any other choice. Recall that all of these people have paid into the system all their working lives - this isn't charity by any means. It was never intended to be a nationwide retirement plan, but that is what it has evolved into. The trick is to devolve it as quickly as possible while causing as little dislocation to those who have every right to expect an equitable payout. It's going to be quite a challenge for quite a long time.
96 posted on 09/02/2003 10:51:49 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
A Challenge??? How about a herculean effort? If you think about it - black men really get screwed by this system because they work their whoole lives, pay into this scheme, and often times before they can even get one payment. Forget about the money being able to pass on to their children?? Or anyone's children for that matter.
97 posted on 09/02/2003 11:00:54 AM PDT by chris1
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To: Final Authority
"We saw the cost of payroll taxes often exceed income taxes to pay for the social security checks that many seniors use for international travel and dining out, exclusively."

Hey, don't forget to include trips to the casinos.

By the way, I'm a boomer, 1957, but don't feel my husband and I fit the description in the rant....
98 posted on 09/02/2003 11:02:09 AM PDT by OldBlondBabe
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To: tcostell
Thank God I was born in 1941, just 28 days before Pearl Harbor and am not part of this selfish-ass generation you rant about. Thank God that my parents suffered through the depression and taught me the value of hard work and working for what I wanted or needed. Thank God that my wife and I were not married in 1960 and not later in the decade and that our 42 years hasn't been wasted. Thank God that I felt responsibility toward my country and my fellow citizens and joined the military in 1959. Thank God I loved military life and stayed in for a career while some of the brethren of my age group were getting stoned, going to college, and becoming lawyers - talk about a wasted life. Thank God that we raised our children to value hard work, just as we were taught. Thank God our children respect us today. Thank God that I still love my country even though it has become a socialist mecca for every piece of non-productive scum the world has to offer. Thank God that I still have the freedom to worship and say what is on my mind. Thank God that back in our early years of marriage there was no welfare state and we learned to do for ourselves - and, thank you very much, still do. Thank God that I have never accepted a single cent of public assistance. Thank God that I felt it was my place to work for what I wanted - from the age of 15 onward. Thank God at the age of 15 I worked some REALLY hard work, building a road. Thank God for the ability to rant on. And lastly, I thank God for every blessing in my life - not some mealy-mouthed professional politician. IMHO, the most selfish generation is one that feels every other generation contributed nothing.
99 posted on 09/02/2003 11:12:42 AM PDT by hardhead ('Curly, don't say its a fine morning or I'll shoot you.' - John Wayne, 'McLintock' 1963)
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To: chris1
I'm 45 years old. I have no greater expectation for SS than do you. My financial burden versus expected return is exactly the same as yours. I, a boomer, am picking up the tab just like you, and have been since I entered the work force 25 years ago.

My point is that you and some other x'ers paint with too broad a brush, something you continually refuse to acknowledge.



100 posted on 09/02/2003 11:23:51 AM PDT by dmz
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