Collar Key In Deliveryman Death (Erie pizza delivery bank robbery bomber)

CBS/AP ^ | 9-2-2003 | no byline

[FITZ]

Your explanation sounds very plausible, but is it possible this guy was just into a dealer for a lot of money, and the dealer told him to get the money or else?

I go with the latter. Arabs blow up a lot of people when they do it --- at least more than one. To me this looks like a typical lesson from a drug lord to his customers.

[Travis McGee]

I hope the feds are all over this, big time. This is very worrisome.

[Travis McGee]

The entire scenario could have been created to deliver that letter to the feds. Just a thought.

[Vigilantcitizen]

"The entire scenario could have been created to deliver that letter to the feds. Just a thought."

"This is what I can do and this is what will happen in the future."

[Vigilantcitizen]

"On other threads (which I can't find anywhere now) it was said that the bomb was on his chest. The collar was attached to it to prevent its removal. In one video there is a big splat on a police cruiser door. I hate to be so graphic but it looks to me like his chest was blown through his back and hit the cop car."

Thanks. I had read his neck. I watched the videos and didn't notice the car door. Will check again.

[TigersEye]

It seems to me like a sick bastard who got his kicks making this guy suffer and in addition puts the authorities in confusion (albeit temporary). Attention getting crap a la Dylan and Kliebold. It's sure too complicated for a bank robbery. Unless the perp is just a technically savvy moron.

[wolficatZ]

"....big splat on a police cruiser door."


Looks like reddish leaves on a bush to me, if you're refering to the CBS video.

[TigersEye]

Thanks. I had read his neck.

It's a relatively small point but one that has generated a fair amount of confusion here. Your other points were very incisive. I hadn't noticed the lack of smoke for instance. My wife and I were wondering if Prima-cord (sp?) might have been used. But that is a bit smoky isn't it?

[TigersEye]

One of those videos from CBS shows a police cruiser with a big mess on the drivers door unless I'm mistaken.

[FITZ]

I hope the feds are all over this, big time. This is very worrisome.

If this is foreign groups behind this --- Middle East or drug cartel --- it's going to be real hard. For all the money spent on the WOD, they've let these types outsmart them. People need to read the type and growth of crime in Colombia and Mexico because nothing is stopping it from coming here.

[Balding_Eagle]

...and you would have....what? Held his hand through the ordeal?

Just like Columbine a few years ago.......fully armed policemen hid behind their cars, forcing unarmed schoolchildren to face deranged killers all alone.

To Protect and Serve? It needs review.

[TigersEye]

Maybe that is a red bush. ??? Strange video shot if it is.

[mo]

this is drugs....the pizza delivery man was delivering more than just pizza and shorting the mob on the cash collected is my bet....if so this will all fizzle away quietly as usually the local leo's just let it run or are even part of it.

[wolficatZ]

This is only thing I saw refering to  what you posted. Unless blood and guts on a car door blow back and forth in the wind like leaves on a bush, this picture shows..   ...leaves on a bush.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TigersEye]

Just like Columbine a few years ago.

I don't see much similarity. At Columbine they waited a long time to go in knowing that many innocents were inside.

Here they had about ten minutes or less to assess the situation and in that time they cuffed the apparent perp, called the bomb squad and secured the area. They knew that this one guy just robbed a bank, he told them he had a bomb on him (and they confirmed it by pulling up his t-shirt) and they had no idea how powerful it was or how long the timer was set for. Assuming that they could trust him and there WAS a timer on it. Assuming he knew all the details of the bomb's construction and it didn't have a remote detonator that someone watching nearby could trigger.

The Columbine cops were pussies. These guys yanked this guy over to the curb about two blocks from the bank and went to work. The bomb squad WAS there in twenty minutes ... but it went boom before that.

[Vigilantcitizen]

"this is drugs....the pizza delivery man was delivering more than just pizza and shorting the mob on the cash collected is my bet....if so this will all fizzle away quietly as usually the local leo's just let it run or are even part of it."

The mob is a lot more discrete than this. Explosives always get's fed.gov involved, and the mob avoids them like the plaugue.

A lot of mob hits hang themselves or are "drug related robbery murders".

I.E.: We've found a crack pipe and the victims wallet is empty, drug robbery, case closed.

[TigersEye]

Unless blood and guts on a car door blow back and forth

You have better resolution than I do, I didn't see the swaying. It's an unfortunately placed bush.

[Vigilantcitizen]

"I don't see much similarity."

Me either. I believe the police did everything within reason. It's bad enough the poor guy died, but taking two or three officers with him would've been worse.

There was nothing they could do.

[Vigilantcitizen]

"It's an unfortunately placed bush."

There's a joke there, but I ain't touching it.

[TigersEye]

I was amazed how close a couple of them were in the video. If that had been a Pali style bomb there WOULD have been some hurting officers.