California Senate scolds Boy Scouts

Worldnetdaily ^ | 09/02/03 | Staff Writer

[bedolido]

Passes resolution slamming group for not accepting 'gays,' atheists.

The California state Senate has passed a resolution criticizing the Boy Scouts of America for its policy of excluding homosexuals and atheists.

The legislation, which passed last week on a 22-15 vote, begins by praising the group for the work it does in the community, but in the end demands the organization accept applicants "without discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or religious belief," reported the Roseville Press-Tribune.

The Boy Scouts has come under increasing pressure to change its policy, which has been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, and has lost countless dollars in donations due to its stand.

The legislation was sponsored by Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, D-Los Angeles, herself a lesbian.

"I think it's important for the state of California to speak up and not be silent, and to say to the Scouts, if you have a religious belief, that's your belief. But keep it separate from a youth-serving agency that serves kids in all neighborhoods," Goldberg told the paper. "I hope we put pressure on them to make this open to all kids. Anybody who knows me and my family knows we love scouting. This is out of concern for (Scouts)."

Goldberg's bill passed the state Assembly by a vote of 43-2. Nearly half the 80 members did not vote of abstained on the resolution.

Opponents of the bill see it as government intrusion into the policies of a private organization.

"Our moral values in Boy Scouts are being treated as if they were inferior values," Republican state Sen. Rico Oller told the Press-Tribune. "Gay and lesbian groups are saying that we with traditional Christian values have to accept people who are avowedly opposed to those views. The Boy Scouts should be able to be the Boy Scouts, an organization based on faith, God and duty. You can't have it both ways."

Continued Oller, "This is about hate on the part of the radical gay and lesbian community, on organizations that are founded on more traditional values."

[My2Cents]

I hope the Boy Scouts pass a resolution slamming the California State Senate.

[.cnI redruM]

Queerifornica would slam the BSA.

[smiley]

Ditto!

[Lazamataz]

The California state Senate has passed a resolution criticizing the Boy Scouts of America for its policy of excluding homosexuals and atheists.

California has officially left the United States.

[Nachum]

Remind me to make a donation to my local Boy Scouts troup.

[chimera]

Voters with half a brain would recall these guys on the spot. I mean, their state is going down the tubes, drowning in debt and collapsing from total mismangement, and they have time for this kind of crap, hammering the Boy Scouts?! Why don't they spend their time trying to solve real problems? Oh, but that's too much like work, having to make choices, cut spending, etc. Can't do that. Easier to go after a harmless group that has done nothing but good for its entire existence.

[sheik yerbouty]

Too late. Have the sickos in the Caliban senate are probably "slamming" each other.

[gitmo]

Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Who drag iniquity with the cords of falsehood.

[dogbrain]

...I'm guessing next they'll want to spank them...

[Lazamataz]

Goldberg's bill passed the state Assembly by a vote of 43-2. Nearly half the 80 members did not vote of abstained on the resolution.

The fact that our side would not stand up and be counted is even more shameful.

[steplock]

"Nearly half the 80 members did not vote of abstained on the resolution"

Abstain = APPROVAL but COWARDS

Hmmm...how many "republicans" are in this "Abstain" category? Are there any?

[Boxsford]

Viewing something as immoral is the same as being bigoted or intolerant.

[Texas_Jarhead]

" Nearly half the 80 members did not vote of abstained on the resolution."

So many effin cowards. Make me sick!

[savedbygrace]

"I think it's important for the state of California to speak up and not be silent, and to say to the Scouts, if you have a religious belief, that's your belief. But keep it separate from a youth-serving agency that serves kids in all neighborhoods," Goldberg told the paper.

And I think it's important for savedbygrace to speak up, and to say to Goldberg, if you have a lesbian belief, that's your belief. But keep it separate from the California legislature that serves citizens in all neighborhoods.

[Boxsford]

pardon: viewing something as immoral is NOT the same as being bigoted or intolerant.

[bmwcyle]

Boy Scouts can take a slap from a limp wrist.

[ElkGroveDan]

The fact that our side would not stand up and be counted is even more shameful.

Not true in the Senate. All 15 Republicans opposed it. A big round of applause for:

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	Sam Aanestad (4) Senate District 4 covers a vast and predominantly rural area that encompasses 12 counties – Butte, Colusa, Del Norte, Glenn, Nevada, Placer, Shasta, Siskiyou, Sutter, Tehama, Trinity and Yuba Counties. Senate District 4 includes the most northern coastline in the state and follows the California-Oregon state line, then moves down the central portion of Northern California to just north of the greater Sacramento area.
	Dick Ackerman (33) Senate District 33 covers the eastern portion of Orange County and includes the communities of Brea, Coto de Caza, Foothill Ranch, Fullerton, La Habra, Lake Forest, Mission Viejo, Orange, Placentia, Rancho Santa Margarita, Silverado, Trabuco Canyon, Villa Park and Yorba Linda. The district also includes a part of Anaheim, Buena Park, Irvine, San Clemente, San Juan Capistrano, Santa Ana and Tustin.
	Roy Ashburn (18) Senate District 18 is geographically the largest in California. It includes California's agricultural homeland, Kern and Tulare Counties, the desert communities of Inyo County and the mountains of San Bernardino County.
	Jim Battin (37) Geographically, the 37th Senate District is one of the largest in California, and has over 800,000 residents. It encompasses three counties: all of Imperial; part of Riverside (everything east of the Coachella Valley); and, the northern and eastern portions of San Diego County.
	James L. Brulte (31) Senate District 31 includes the southwestern portion of San Bernardino County and the northwestern portion of Riverside County. In San Bernardino County the 31st Senate District includes all of Alta Loma, Redlands, the San Bernardino County mountain communities, the Twentynine Palms area, Upland, Yucaipa, and portions of Fontana, Highland, Rancho Cucamonga, Rialto, and San Bernardino. In Riverside County the 31st Senate District includes all of Banning, Beaumont, Calimesa, Moreno Valley, and portions of the Hemet/San Jacinto area, and Riverside.
	Jeff Denham (12) Located squarely in California's Central Valley, the counties of Stanislaus, Merced, Madera and San Benito comprise 80% of the 12th Senate Seat. The remaining portion of the district is located in Monterey County. The city of Modesto provides the district's largest population center, followed by Salinas, Merced, Madera, Turlock, Hollister and Ceres.
	Dennis Hollingsworth (36)
	Ross Johnson (35) Senate District 35 is located in the northwestern portion of Orange County. The district includes the cities of Costa Mesa, Cypress, Huntington Beach, Los Alamitos, Newport Beach, Seal Beach and most of Fountain Valley, Irvine, Laguna Beach, La Palma and Tustin. The district also includes small portions of Anaheim, Buena Park, Santa Ana and Westminister.
	Wm. J.  Knight (17) Senate District 17 is geographically the largest Senate district in the state. It includes all of the County of Inyo, approximately two-thirds of San Bernardino County, the northern half of Los Angeles County and a large share of southern and eastern Kern County. It includes the cities of Adelanto, Apple Valley, Barstow, Bishop, California City, Hesperia, Lancaster, Needles, Palmdale, Ridgecrest, Santa Clarita, Tehachapi, and Victorville.
	Bob Margett (29) Senate District 29 is located in Los Angeles County and contains the following cities: Arcadia, Bradbury, Claremont, Covina, Diamond Bar, Duarte, Glendora, La Habra Heights, La Mirada, La Verne, Monrovia, San Dimas, Sierra Madre, Walnut City and a portion of Pomona, Temple City and Whittier.
	Tom McClintock (19) The current Senate District 19 includes the Northwest corner of Los Angeles County and Ventura County including the cities of Thousand Oaks, Simi Valley, Oxnard, Moorpark, Camarillo, Fillmore and Port Hueneme. Cities in the Los Angeles County portion of the district include Chatsworth, Granada Hills, Northridge, Stevenson Ranch and Castaic.
	Bruce McPherson (15) Senate District 15 (currently) contains a small portion of Santa Clara County, including the cities of Morgan Hill, Gilroy and a portion of the City of San Jose. It also includes all of San Benito, Santa Cruz and Monterey Counties.
	Bill Morrow (38) Senate District 38 is composed of portions of Orange County and San Diego County. North San Diego County - stretches along Interstate 5 from the horse track of Del Mar to the Marine Corps base at Camp Pendleton. Additional San Diego County cities include Carlsbad, Encinitas, Escondido, Oceanside, San Marcos, Solana Beach, Fairbanks Ranch, Rancho Santa Fe, Hidden Meadows, Bonsall and Vista. South Orange County - cities include San Clemente and San Juan Capistrano.
	Rico Oller (1) Senate District 1 is one of the largest Senate Districts in the State of California, covering 12 California Counties. The district includes all or portions of Alpine, Amador, Calaveras, El Dorado, Lassen, Modoc, Mono, Nevada, Placer, Plumas, Sacramento and Sierra Counties. Senate District 1 represents much of northern Sacramento County, including the cities and communities of Rancho Cordova, Gold River, Elk Grove, Carmichael, Fair Oaks, Folsom, Rancho Murieta and Orangevale. The District also covers much of the old Gold Country Highway, Highway 49, stretching through El Dorado, Amador, Placer and Calaveras Counties.
	Charles Poochigian (14) The 14th Senate District is comprised of all or a portion (*) of the following counties: *Fresno, *Madera, Mariposa, *San Joaquin, *Stanislaus, and Tuolumne.

[bedolido]

Viewing something as immoral is the same as being bigoted or intolerant.

Excellant point. What bothers me is the hypocrisy. If we view something as immoral, why can't they be called intolerant if they don't accept our view?

[F16Fighter]

MEMO TO CALIFORNIA SENATE:

Take your "resolution" and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

[caisson71]

It looks to me like this "scolding" is more a trubute than anything else.

[GOPologist]

BSA creed begins as follows: "On my honor, I will do my... duty to God and my country....

The senators in CA would do well to abide by the same creed.

[pogo101]

When's the floor vote scheduled for castigating the Roman Catholic Church?

[Lazamataz]

When's the floor vote scheduled for castigating the Roman Catholic Church?

And Judaism. We don't go for that stuff neither.

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

As far as i'm concerned Kalifornia is now and always has been an embarrassment and a disgrace to America.My neighbor said,"if God does'nt destroy california he certainly owes sodom ans gomorrah an apology"!

[joesnuffy]

How does Ahnold stand on this issue?

[Russell Scott]

Another reason we need Tom, and not Arnold, to protect God fearing institutions like the Boy Scouts. This election will tell me if we learned anything from 9/11 and the Clinton years.

[trebb]

Kind of like a hooker slamming a girl who saves herself for marriage - slime calling clean bad...

[FreedomCalls]

The California state Senate has passed a resolution criticizing the Boy Scouts of America for its policy of excluding homosexuals and atheists.

Is that an unlawful "Bill of Attainder"?

[Redleg Duke]

They can't balance a budget or get a state under control because they are too busy attacking mainstream America for the queers and other deviants.

[Redleg Duke]

They can't balance a budget or get a state under control because they are too busy attacking mainstream America for the queers and other deviants.

[sheik yerbouty]

'half'

[Husker24]

I just passed a resolution telling the California Senate to "Go Fu*k Itself" it passed overwhelmingly 1-0.

[Porterville]

Finally, I know what war is good for..

[Blessed]

They would enjoy that

[heleny]

State Senator Tom McClintock said he fully supports the Boy Scouts. His son is in the Boy Scouts, and Tom was one when he was a child. He is absolutely disgusted by the attacks on the boy scouts. Here's part of Tom's Town Hall Meeting (guest-hosting the Roger Hedgecock show last Thursday)

Virgil: ...I just wanted to find out your view on the Boy Scouts and how they're getting treated by the ACLU and things like that.... I'm a Scoutmaster for one of the oldest troops here in San Diego, and I wanted to get your views on the pounding that the Boy Scouts are taking by the ACLU.

Tom: First, I'm a former boy scout myself. I have an 11-year-old son who's a boy scout. I think the world of that organization, and I also am absolutely disgusted by what we see in the attacks on that organization.

People have a right to association. They have also a right to set standards -- particularly moral standards in the case of the Boy Scouts. And the attacks on them I find reprehensible. I'll stand behind the Boy Scouts in every fight they wage. They are a top-notch organization, they turn out great kids, and the attacks on them are unconscionable.

[Myrddin]

Take your "resolution" and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

Not possible. The gays have already filled that spot.

[RonF]

You can contribute here. Or, go here, punch in your zip code, and find out the address of your local Council that you can send money to. Or, finally, call your Council on the phone and find out what your local unit is. They could use some money. They could also use your time and expertise.

[Michael.SF.]

The left complains about our values being shoved down their throats, but what is this?

Here is some info:

AYES

**** Alarcon,Bowen, Burton, Cedillo,
Chesbro,Ducheny,Dunn, Escutia,
Figueroa, Karnette, Kuehl, Machado,
Murray, Ortiz, Perata, Romero,
Scott, Sher, Soto, Speier,
Torlakson, Vasconcellos

All above are dems (of course)

NOES
****

Aanestad, Ackerman, Ashburn Battin
Brulte, Denham, Hollingsworth, Johnson
Knight, Margett,McClintock, McPherson
Morrow, Oller, Poochigian,

All ‘NOES’ are Republicans (as expected)

Excerpts of the text:

This measure would recognize the efforts of Boy Scouts who earn the rank of Eagle Scout and encourage the Boy Scouts of America to accept for membership and leadership positions all qualified boys and men, without discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or religious belief.
WHEREAS, Since the founding of the Boy Scouts of America, millions of Boy Scouts have taken the experience of scouting and gone on to contribute great things to society; and
WHEREAS, A Boy Scout can be followed, as he is a leader in his troop and community, regardless of the scout's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, political affiliation, sexual orientation, or disability; and
WHEREAS, The list of former Boy Scouts includes diverse role models and leaders; and
WHEREAS, Many Boy Scouts have been forced to hide their identity in contradiction to the Scout Mission, Law, and Oath, and Boy Scouts and scout leaders who were open about their sexual orientation have been expelled from scouting; and
WHEREAS, The policy of the Boy Scouts of America to bar from membership or leadership positions otherwise qualified individuals solely on the basis of their sexual orientation or religious belief causes harm to the innumerable boys and men such as James Dale who, regardless of their hard work and merits, are denied the opportunity to hold the rank of Eagle Scout or participate in any way in the Boy Scouts of America; and
Resolved, That the Legislature encourages the Boy Scouts of America to accept for membership and leadership positions, including the rank of Eagle Scout, all qualified boys and men, without discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or religious belief;

Here is the link for the bill which is trying to push the Gay agenda down our throats (no pun intended)

[StriperSniper]

I hope the Boy Scouts pass a resolution slamming the California State Senate.

I hope a couple of wayward Eagle Scouts slip some poison ivy in their sleeping bags! ;-)

[heleny]

Here is the Roseville Press-Tribune article that this WND article cites

State Senate condemns Boy Scouts’ stance on gays
Resolution urges change in group’s policy of exclusion

By Jason Probst

Friday, August 29, 2003


The state senate voted 22-15 Monday in favor of a resolution critical of the Boy Scouts of America for not accepting gays and atheists as members.

Sponsored by Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg (D-Los Angeles), Assembly Concurrent Resolution 89 praises the Boy Scouts for their service and role in helping youth, but the end of the bill asks that the organization to allow all qualified applicants to join the organization “without discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or religious belief.”

With the Supreme Court ruling 5-4 in 2000 upholding the Scouts’ decision to bar gay troop leaders, the organization has largely retained the right to enforce its oath and its own guidelines for membership.

But the resolution passed Monday is an effort that Goldberg hopes will induce the organization to change its membership rules. Pressure from gay rights supporters and groups has impacted funding for the Boy Scouts as part of the campaign, as major donors like United Way have pulled financial support because of the Scouts’ unwillingness to change their policy. The resolution passed the Assembly in April by a vote of 43-2.

Goldberg is upbeat about her resolution passing the Senate floor, with a vote split down party lines. She says a necessary first step toward “getting the Boy Scouts into the 21st Century.”

“I think it’s important for the state of California to speak up and not be silent, and to say to the Scouts, if you have a religious belief, that’s your belief. But keep it separate from a youth-serving agency that serves kids in all neighborhoods,” Goldberg said. “I hope we put pressure on them to make this open to all kids. Anybody who knows me and my family knows we love scouting. This is out of concern for (Scouts).”

Goldberg says that she knows many scouts, including Eagle Scouts, who have quit the organization because they don’t agree with the policy.

But State Sen. Rico Oller is upset with what he sees as an attack on a private organization, in a manner which is one form of discrimination replacing another.

“Our moral values in Boy Scouts are being treated as if they were inferior values,” Oller said. “Gay and lesbian groups are saying that we, with traditional Christian values, have to accept people who are avowedly opposed to those views. The Boy Scouts should be able to be the Boy Scouts, an organization based on faith, God and duty. You can’t have it both ways.”

The Boy Scouts are a private, non-profit organization, and includes support from the Mormon and Lutheran churches. Goldberg says the issue of whether or not Scouts were even gay never even came up until the last 10 years, which is why she is seeking to protect those who may be barred.

“They ask in lots of places. They tell them in some places that you cannot be a Boy Scout if you’re gay,” Goldberg said. “There are a lot of kids who are not going to pretend they are not gay anymore.”

Attempts to contact the Boy Scouts’ local and regional offices were unsuccessful. However the organization has gone on record as stating it hopes to move on from the issue and put it behind them. Though the United Way and other organizations have pulled funding for the Scouts, the group moves on, finding other donors in many instances sympathetic to a group that is caught in the crossfire of a contentious issue.

And Oller believes the issue is really about something else.

“This is about hate on the part of the radical gay and lesbian community, on organizations that are founded on more traditional values,” he said.

[Mat_Helm]

I believe the Almighty can limit the destruction to the Bay Area up the delta to Sacramento and also include the Los Angeles Basin. Maybe an asteroid strike off the coast to take out coastal areas and protect the central and northern areas of the state and than trigger a 9.0 earthquake to finish off Los Angeles. Soddom and Gamorah were wipred out without taking out all of Caanon or Egypt or Syria.

[onedoug]

Communism.

[eddie willers]

Voters with half a brain would recall these guys on the spot.

When you read about the Democrats whining that Max Cleland (of Georgia) was defeated because of a "Mean-Spirited" attack of a "War Hero" and linking him to Osama, dont't you believe it.

Near the end of the Senate campaign, it was brought out that Cleland voted gainst the Boy Scouts.

People's eyebrows went up and said, "HE VOTED AGAINST THE BOY SCOUTS?!.....

and that was that.

[My2Cents]

All I can say is that if 99% of the California State Senate ends up lost in the Sierra-Nevadas, they'd do well to pray that they're found by an Eagle Scout.

[My2Cents]

Take your "resolution" and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

That would be Seattle, Washington.

[heleny]

Assembly Concurrent Resolution 89 praises the Boy Scouts for their service and role in helping youth, but the end of the bill asks that the organization to allow all qualified applicants to join the organization “without discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or religious belief.”

Perhaps it is either because the bill praises the Boy Scouts or, more likely, to refuse to dignify this bill with a vote that most of the Assembly Republicans abstained. There was no way that they could defeat this measure, given that the majority Democrats vote in lock-step with the homosexuals. (Despite having 32 Republican Assemblymen, only two Assemblymen voted against this bill)

[Ohioan]

The legislation was sponsored by Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, D-Los Angeles, herself a lesbian.

And I suspect that the California media does not even appreciate the logical absurdity of all of this.

For our earlier effort to put this vicious attack upon basic American decency into perspective, see The Boy Scouts of America & A Leftwing Agenda.

William Flax

[friendly]

So the Californicate mega-rat "Senate" wants NAMBLA in charge of the Boy Scouts? How low can these incompetent socialists throw their obsequious loathsome selves? Not to mention the fact that the rat shysters will sue the Boy Scouts out of existence for the inevitable child abuse when the democrat pedophiles rape the young Tenderfoots.

[StriperSniper]

And 99% of Californians would do well if they were found by buzzards.