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McClintock Key to Democratic Victory in California
Intellectual Conservative.com ^ | 9/2/3 | Bob Chandra

Posted on 09/02/2003 4:21:28 PM PDT by socal_parrot

A Democratic plot to boost Tom McClintock’s candidacy at Arnold Schwarzenegger’s expense has recently come to light.

On paper, the recall election should be a cakewalk for California Republicans. A cursory analysis reveals a governor with an approval rating below Richard Nixon at his low point. The only serious Democrat candidate is the state’s uninspiring lieutenant governor, Cruz Bustamante, who unquestioningly followed Governor Davis through his mishaps with the budget and energy crisis. It should be a breeze for Republicans, right? Think again. Democrats are euphoric over Tom McClintock’s intransigence in continuing his long-shot bid for governor. This allows Democrats to divide and conquer their way into office. Democrats are attempting to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and Tom McClintock is an essential part of their game plan.

For starters, Democrats know McClintock cannot win. They know that he has ran for statewide office twice before and lost both times. McClintock’s problem is not so much that he’s unknown but that Californians know about him and have rejected his candidacy time and again. Knowing this, a Democrat plot to boost McClintock’s candidacy at Schwarzenegger’s expense has already surfaced. According to the Sacramento Bee’s Daniel Weintraub, “Ever since Cruz Bustamante entered the race, it's been assumed that California's Indian tribes were going to pool their money and do independent expenditures on his behalf, expensive ads that get around the $21,000 limit on contributions. Now I am hearing rumblings that the Indians might think about helping Cruz in a more creative way as well. If they spent, say, $4 million on behalf of state Sen. Tom McClintock, the most conservative Republican in the race, they might pump McClintock's numbers up while hurting Arnold and not harming Cruz a bit. Remember, Cruz needs a split GOP vote to win. That would be one way to get it.” The reliably Democratic Indian tribes, loyal to Bustamante, would essentially throw their weight behind McClintock to chip away at the support of Arnold Schwarzenegger, the GOP front-runner. The Democrat strategy with regard to Tom McClintock is: “If you know you can beat ‘em, join ‘em.”

McClintock is unfazed by this conniving scheme and is more than happy to play along. His actions suggest that he’s willing to make allies with loyal Democratic groups under the logic, the enemy of my enemy (Arnold Schwarzenegger) is my friend. On August 28th, McClintock and Bustamante went together before the California Nations Indian Gaming Association to pledge their support. Needless to say, money will follow. Whether McClintock knows it or not, he’s being used by the Left. If Democrat allies can keep McClintock in the game, they can put a cap on Arnold’s support. A recent Los Angeles Times poll shows Bustamante with 35% of the vote and McClintock with 12%. The poll indicates that McClintock will lose decisively but more importantly, his vote will ensure that GOP front-runner Schwarzenegger loses as well.

It doesn’t have to be this way. McClintock could see the light and do what’s best for the party – as Bill Simon did by bowing out of the race. Other than his new Democratic support, the picture continues to grow bleaker for McClintock. The Washington Post and Sacramento Bee are reporting that there will be a record turnout for the recall election. This invalidates the early calculus by McClintock supporters - that in a low turnout election, grassroots could carry the day. Further, the base is growing more familiar with Schwarzenegger’s conservatism – Arnold came out against partial-birth abortion, against gay marriage, and for a constitutional spending cap.

There comes a time when personal ambition must be set aside and self-affirming but false justifications for one’s candidacy need to be reexamined. If McClintock stays in the California Senate, and assuming Arnold wins the governorship, he and Arnold could play the good-cop/bad-cop routine to perfection, mirroring President Bush and Tom Delay’s efforts at the national level. Additionally, McClintock may be well positioned to challenge Barbara Boxer in next year’s US Senate race. However, if McClintock persists with his spoiler campaign and throws the election to Bustamante, it is doubtful he will have any political capital for a future race.

But assuming things stay the way they are, with McClintock’s help, Bustamante and the Democrats may well pull off an upset of a lifetime on Election Day.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnold; cruz; dupes; mcclintites; mcjeffords; plot; rats; recall; stooges; tom
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Hey, it worked when Davis spent 10 million to oust Riordan so he could run against Simon.
1 posted on 09/02/2003 4:21:30 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: socal_parrot
Antbody who has been watching Hannity and Colmes knows that this was the plan. Colmes has been hyping McClintock since day one. LOL
2 posted on 09/02/2003 4:23:16 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: socal_parrot
Prepare to get flamed by myopic McClintonites who would rather keep Davis or Bustamente in office than support anyone else except their Quixotic candidate.
3 posted on 09/02/2003 4:25:47 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: socal_parrot; Registered; strela; A Broken Glass Republican; Tamsey; Weimdog; PhiKapMom; Smogger; ..
Good catch!

FYI ya-all
4 posted on 09/02/2003 4:26:11 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: socal_parrot
Hey, it worked when Davis spent 10 million to oust Riordan so he could run against Simon.

Glad to see you are swallowing media myths. Riordan would have lost far worse than Simon, and Davis' 10 million certainly hrut Riordan, but Simon beat him by 18 points. Simon would have won anyway by at least 5 points.

5 posted on 09/02/2003 4:26:47 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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To: socal_parrot
However, if McClintock persists with his spoiler campaign and throws the election to Bustamante, it is doubtful he will have any political capital for a future race.

It may be that McClintock wants to see if Arnold will fade or stumble bigtime. However, if Arnold doesn't, and McClintock stays in, then the above statement is undoubtedly true.

6 posted on 09/02/2003 4:26:51 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Arkinsaw
The Sac Bee's Daniel Weintraub said that the Indian Gaming Lobby may spend up to $4 million to keep McClintock in the race and split the Republican vote.
7 posted on 09/02/2003 4:28:22 PM PDT by socal_parrot (New and improved.)
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To: ElkGroveDan; socal_parrot
Glad to see you are swallowing media myths. Riordan would have lost far worse than Simon, and Davis' 10 million certainly hurt Riordan, but Simon beat him by 18 points. Simon would have won anyway by at least 5 points

Case in point.

8 posted on 09/02/2003 4:28:43 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: socal_parrot
If McClintock stays in this race he (Along with Bill Simon) will be known as the poltical equivelent of Marcia Clark...

They will have both been responsible for LOSING a SURE thing.

And McClintock will be the LOWEST of the LOW because he will be repeating the SAME stupid mistake that was made less than a year ago.

It's absolutely AMAZING to see how much in denial McClintock and his RINO supporters are in.
9 posted on 09/02/2003 4:29:20 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: socal_parrot

10 posted on 09/02/2003 4:29:26 PM PDT by Registered (Gray Davis won't be baaaaahhck)
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To: socal_parrot
BUMP!

If Bustamante wins, be sure to thank your CA FR Friend who was too stubborn to get it. We love 'em, but they're killing us.
11 posted on 09/02/2003 4:29:31 PM PDT by jmstein7
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To: Arkinsaw
Colmes has been hyping McClintock since day one. LOL

The LA Times is writing gushing articles about McClintock. Willie Brown and Jerry Brown were speaking glowinlgy of him as well. They all seem to be on the same page.

12 posted on 09/02/2003 4:29:43 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Why is the Left afraid of Arnold?)
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To: socal_parrot
Oh, this is REAL good!!

Davis taps Panetta to help fix state's budget problems







Posted on Tue, Sep. 02, 2003


Mercury News

Gov. Gray Davis today asked Leon Panetta -- former White House budget director and chief of staff to President Bill Clinton -- to help fix the state's long-term budget problems.

Panetta's charge is to convene a bipartisan group of economic, financial and budget experts who would help the state's leaders undertake the massive job of reforming the state's budget structure.

It's a tall order, especially since economists have said the state would be forced to either raise taxes or make even deeper cuts. But Panetta, who is director of a public policy institute bearing his name in Seaside, said he's up to the challenge, even with the recall challenge facing the governor.

Panetta said today he plans to start gathering the participants right away and get to work shortly after the recall vote Oct. 7. And he expects to present Davis with the group's recommendations before the governor's State of the State address in January, provided he survives the recall.

``To be credible, this team must be bipartisan and must include key budget and finance experts,'' said Panetta, who will serve as the group's chairman. ``I think it should be made clear that we will be prepared to begin the serious work after the recall is held.''


13 posted on 09/02/2003 4:30:07 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: Arkinsaw
On the radio top-of-the-hour news there was a brief interview w/ Bill Press, of all people, who stated quite emphatically that McClintock was the only real conservative running in the recall. Knowing who and what Press is, it left a bad taste in my mouth because it's obvious why he said it.
14 posted on 09/02/2003 4:30:28 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: socal_parrot
I figure many of the McClintock supporters would not vote for anyone else in the election anyway. They have their boy running, and that will draw them to the polls. This will assure that the recall succeeds because they will all support the recall. Arnold will not be hurt, and having McClintock to his right makes him more palatable to the liberal Californians.

Btw, if McClintock were a Democrat and lived on the other side of the country, his name would be Mark Green.

15 posted on 09/02/2003 4:30:55 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: socal_parrot
Hogwash.

There comes a time when personal ambition must be set aside and self-affirming but false justifications for one’s candidacy need to be reexamined.

That's right. Arnold should reevaluate his candidacy. LOL

No loyal Republican should be supporting and voting for a liberal like Schwarzenegger or Bustamonte.

Conservative and moderate Republican voters, with help from independent voters can get McClintock elected. Don't believe the hype from the leftwing.

16 posted on 09/02/2003 4:31:09 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: BlackElk; TheAngryClam; churchillbuff; ElkGroveDan; Gophack; kellynla; PeoplesRep_of_LA; Spiff; ...
PING

I stumbled on the RINO watering hole.
17 posted on 09/02/2003 4:31:18 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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To: onyx
Hey, onyx... ever so grateful for the FYI :-)
18 posted on 09/02/2003 4:31:52 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: socal_parrot
"Hey, it worked when Davis spent 10 million to oust Riordan so he could run against Simon."

I see it, you see it and there's a whole lot of others here that see what's happening to. But it seems that the McClintock supporters have gone into that kool-aid sipping true-believer mode.

Anyone notice how accomadating the liberal media has been towards McClintock and Bustamante while trying crucify Arnold?

My prediction. If Arnold leaves the race (unlikely) expect Tom McClintock to be re-labeled as "ultra-conservative" Tom McClintock by the media, within a matter of hours after the news.

19 posted on 09/02/2003 4:32:28 PM PDT by Tempest (If you lay off of Arnold, I'll lay off of Tom. Bustamante is the real danger.)
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To: socal_parrot
Common sense BUMP! Thanks for posting this masterful analysis of selfish McClintock, who is now a cancer on the butt cheek of California.
20 posted on 09/02/2003 4:33:04 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: Arkinsaw
Yes, and Hannity "the ultimate brown noser/Ass kisser" pushes the Glitterman from Hollywood. Why, if half his so called Republican friends on his show would stop real fast it would take a block & tackle to pull Hannity out of their Ass.

This guy talks a great deal about values and to him, by simply saying, "EVEN THOUGH I DON'T AGREE WITH ARNOLD ON SOCIAL ISSUES HE IS A FISSCAL CONSERVATIVE".

Sorry Hannity, a real Conservative doesn't trade his soul for a win in California (the Moral Cesspool of Planet Earth).

21 posted on 09/02/2003 4:33:27 PM PDT by chachacha
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To: ElkGroveDan
"Riordan would have lost far worse than Simon"

Drugs are bad.

22 posted on 09/02/2003 4:34:10 PM PDT by Tempest (If you lay off of Arnold, I'll lay off of Tom. Bustamante is the real danger.)
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To: Reagan Man
No loyal Republican should be supporting and voting for a liberal like Schwarzenegger or Bustamonte.

BUMP!
23 posted on 09/02/2003 4:34:40 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Awareness is what you know before you know anything else.)
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
It's absolutely AMAZING to see how much in denial McClintock and his RINO supporters are in.

Do you know what RINO stands for? It refers to people like Arnold who are Republican In Name Only. It means they call themselves Republican but NONE of their views are in agreement with traditional Republican policies and attitudes.

McClintock' supporters are die-hard Republicans who agree almost entirely with the state and national party platforms.

So you sound really stupid calling us RINOs. RINO's HATE Tom McClintock because he stands on unwavering beliefs and timeless principles.

24 posted on 09/02/2003 4:35:32 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
Plus, won't McClintock have to give up his Senate seat?
25 posted on 09/02/2003 4:35:34 PM PDT by EggsAckley (......No more debating with McClintBots who are NOT from California.........~</;o))
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To: ElkGroveDan
As Michael Medved told FReeper tame today on his radio show, a vote for McClintock is "masterbatory." Enjoy yourself.
26 posted on 09/02/2003 4:37:12 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: Reagan Man
Conservative and moderate Republican voters, with help from independent voters can get McClintock elected. Don't believe the hype from the leftwing.

The earth is flat.

27 posted on 09/02/2003 4:37:35 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Vote McNader and Bustamonte wins)
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To: Registered
EggsAckley!!!

Well done!

28 posted on 09/02/2003 4:37:37 PM PDT by EggsAckley (......No more debating with McClintBots who are NOT from California.........~</;o))
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To: ElkGroveDan
No, you're wrong...

"RINOs" don't care about the "Republican" Party. They ONLY care about their own narrow views.

Therefore, these people are are supporting McClintock even though he has NO chance at winning are the RINOs.

Sorry you're so late in getting the real scoop.
29 posted on 09/02/2003 4:39:01 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: jmstein7
I'm listening to Larry Elder on KABC right now and there's another angry Tom McC fanatic on there threatening to vote no on recall just because he knows that McClintock can't win.

Selfish and short-sighted it's rather sad.

The primary difference between an Arnold supporter and a McClintock supporter is that an Arnold supporter would vote for McClintock if he actually had a chance. Where as a McClintock supporter will hold his breath and refuse to eat his brussel sprouts unless he gets his way.

30 posted on 09/02/2003 4:39:18 PM PDT by Tempest (If you lay off of Arnold, I'll lay off of Tom. Bustamante is the real danger.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
So you sound really stupid calling us RINOs

It's his calling in life.

31 posted on 09/02/2003 4:39:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Thank God for FR)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Oh, and by the way...

I've not seen a SINGLE person that "Hates McClintock because of his conservative values". I've ONLY seen "Realistic Republicans" who watched Simon LOSE a SURE thing and don't want to see it happen again.
32 posted on 09/02/2003 4:40:28 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: BunnySlippers
when democrats have a meeting, they discuss about the best way to win the election. When republicans have similar meetings, they argue and name call about who is more principled, and why they will not vote for this guy, or that guy. Simply amazing.
33 posted on 09/02/2003 4:41:04 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Tempest
You said it best.
34 posted on 09/02/2003 4:41:20 PM PDT by Registered (Gray Davis won't be baaaaahhck)
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To: Registered
Another cute one, Registered :-)

I was getting pretty tired of all the anti-Arnold graphics cramming up the threads... it's a refreshing change :-)
35 posted on 09/02/2003 4:41:23 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: Reagan Man
No loyal Republican should be supporting and voting for a liberal ...

No true Republican will vote for a conservative. At best, they will consider a moderate (prefered is a liberal leaning moderate) that makes a few half hearted conservative statements if they don't have an actual liberal to run. The Republicans will do everything they can to prevent a true conservative running as a Republican.

36 posted on 09/02/2003 4:41:40 PM PDT by templar
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
If McClintock stays in this race he (Along with Bill Simon) will be known as the poltical equivelent of Marcia Clark...

WRONG. Arnuld needs to drop out, he has no business dividing the Rebulican party on false premises...namely caliming to be a republican. Arnold is the Ross Perot of 2003.

If anyone deserves the Governors post, it is McClintock. Don't be foolded by this hollywood liberal actor. If you plan to vote for Arnold, you will be voting for liberal vales, therefore you'd be a liberal. Save yourself the shame.
37 posted on 09/02/2003 4:42:07 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Awareness is what you know before you know anything else.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Just a bunch of moronic mostly out-of-state Aunold fan club members who couldn't tell you the difference in Westwood, Westlake, Lake Forest and Lakewood! They don't live here, don't pay taxes here and from the looks of things they don't even have a job other than sitting on this forum making a total ass out of themselves. ROFLMAO They have nothing to debate because their boy Aunold has NO FRIGGING PLATFORM TO DEBATE!!!
38 posted on 09/02/2003 4:42:09 PM PDT by kellynla (USMC "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam '69 & '70 Semper Fi VOTE4MCCLINTOCK http://www.tommcclintock.com)
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To: socal_parrot
Ahnold is a RINO scumbag.
39 posted on 09/02/2003 4:42:35 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: socal_parrot
SHOW ME THE CITE TO THE DAN WINTRAUB ARTICLE THAT SAYS THE INDIANS WILL GIVE TO MCCLINTOCK TO HURT ARNOLD. I CAN'T FIND ANY SUCH ARTICLE. PLEASE GIVE A CITE ---
40 posted on 09/02/2003 4:42:58 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Tempest
The California Republicans are so fractured into competing camps that it's a wonder that they can ever get a statewide official elected.

Oh wait, they can't.

41 posted on 09/02/2003 4:43:29 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: CheneyChick
Panetta has lost all credibility since his close call with the Clinton scandals. If you recall, he retired just as the excrement was about to hit one of the fans. He high-tailed it back to California and sits here resting on his fat laurels, still hoping that voters will forget his sorjourn with the Clintonistas.
42 posted on 09/02/2003 4:44:09 PM PDT by EggsAckley (......No more debating with McClintBots who are NOT from California.........~</;o))
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To: Reagan Man
"No loyal Republican should be supporting and voting for a liberal like Schwarzenegger"

No free-thinking, common sense, non-dogmatic, conservative would vote for a selfish, power-mongerer like McClintock. . .

43 posted on 09/02/2003 4:44:16 PM PDT by Tempest (If you lay off of Arnold, I'll lay off of Tom. Bustamante is the real danger.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This is a carbon copy of the plan that gave us Bill Simon, the Candidate From Hell. It is exquisite. Indeed, the hand of Bubba may be lurking here.

It's time for the White House to get involved and make Tom an Offer He Can't Refuse. Run the good race up to the Convention on the Fifteenth, then bow out and support Arnold to the hilt.

If McClintock can't or won't pull out, send Luca Brasi (James Baker) to see him. No campaign money. No presidential visits. No help aganst Boxer if he runs against her someday. Not even help with a House race. The word has to go out to his fellow assemblymen: this guy gets nothing if he costs us the governor's seat. Not one thin f*%king dime if he lets Bustamente in when Arnold could have won.

The rest of the Assembly people want a guy in Sacramento they can use as veto leverage against the Democratic majority in the Assembly and the State Senate. McClintock is really pushing the envelope, and if he starts taking Tribal money, even laundered tribal money, then I want to hear the backpedalling from the McClintock crowd about what a good Republican their man is.

Bush intends to raise upwards to 200 million dollars to use next year. Once the nomination occurs, Bush can't use his slush fund money. He has to use taxpayer money and matching funds. However, Bush will give Rove the money not spent whittling down Howard Dean to Senatorial candidates next year and enough to hold or expand our lead in the House.

It's time to play hardball. McClintock needs someone, the President if necessary, to sit him down and do a Don Corleone with him. "Your signature will be on this contract, or your brains will be on this contract".

I've been very understanding of McClintock, if only because I do see him as a man of principle. I am hoping that McClintock is playing the positioning game so he can negotiate with Arnold for a voice in the budget and help in a Senate campaign against Boxer. But if Tom takes money from the Democrats and the Tribes, then he can go straight to hell.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

44 posted on 09/02/2003 4:44:36 PM PDT by section9 (To read my blog, click on the Major!)
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To: Tempest
Where as a McClintock supporter will hold his breath and refuse to eat his brussel sprouts unless he gets his way.

Or hold his breath until he turns blue ...


45 posted on 09/02/2003 4:45:09 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
"Intellectual conservative.com" LOL, that isn't pretentious or contradictory at all. Then put out this tired garbage again. This talking point is from like 2 weeks ago. The new RINO talking point is that we are being too divisive, which this tripe actually violates, but then again detecting their own hypocracy has never been a Triangulation Republican's strong suit...

Maybe we should give them what they want. Maybe WE SHOULD get (R)nold to win. Maybe that Disaster is precisely what these partisan hacks need to finally get just how wrong they have been about the letter R above all.

Oh wait, the controvesies have already lost (R)nold the middle(you should have heard this woman I work with ranting at lunch about how she would never vote for (R)nold and vote for Bustamante before him, I just laughed to myself), wonder what they'll be singing when Tom's poll numbers show him higher? These people have never been honorable about admiting they were wrong, they'll probably attribute it to you or me. Take the Rioden-myth you had to despell..YET AGAIN on here. These people literally have as much intellectual honesty as the Democrates.
46 posted on 09/02/2003 4:45:18 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Stop Dividing the Republican base; vote McClintock on October 7, 2003!)
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To: socal_parrot; Registered
Actually I like the way Registered stated it on another thread...

I will not let the house burn down because the water isn't clean enough to use on the fire.

Or words to that effect ;-)

47 posted on 09/02/2003 4:45:27 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: socal_parrot
Everyone holds Republicans to a higher standard. Even Democrats.
48 posted on 09/02/2003 4:45:35 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: chachacha
That's right break out the pitchforks! Sean Hannity opposes your leader. Get'em.

XOXO
Pavlovian Dog
49 posted on 09/02/2003 4:46:10 PM PDT by Tempest (If you lay off of Arnold, I'll lay off of Tom. Bustamante is the real danger.)
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
Precisely right. The really fascinating thing about this election is that it deprives the True Believers of a primary that is their usual way of getting their way in California elections (to the detriment of the party).

Instead, now they have to deal with Reality and actually trying to win an election against Republicans who actually believe in trying to win votes and elections rather than run just to "make a statement."

I can only imagine this revolting turn of events for them is driving them bananas.

50 posted on 09/02/2003 4:46:32 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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