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Abortion Doc's Killer expects reward
The Associated press

Posted on 09/03/2003 7:18:05 AM PDT by JonathansMommie

STARKE, Fla. (Sept. 3) - Paul Hill, a former minister who gunned down an abortion doctor, said he feels no remorse and suggested the state will be making him a martyr when he becomes the first person executed in the United States for anti-abortion violence.

Barring an unlikely last-minute stay, the 49-year-old former Presbyterian minister will be put to death by lethal injection Wednesday evening for the 1994 murders in Pensacola of Dr. John Britton and his escort, retired Air Force Lt. Col. James Herman Barrett.

Barrett's wife, June, was wounded in the shootings outside the Ladies Center in Pensacola.

Hill has not appealed.

``The sooner I am executed ... the sooner I am going to heaven,'' Hill said in a jailhouse interview. ``I expect a great reward in heaven. I am looking forward to glory. I don't feel remorse.''

``More people should act as I have acted,'' Hill added.

Abortion-rights groups worry that Hill's execution will trigger reprisals by those who share his steadfast belief that violence to stop abortion is justified. Several Florida officials connected to the case received threatening letters last week, accompanied by rifle bullets.

Gov. Jeb Bush, who was named in one of the threatening letters, said Tuesday the threats would not keep him from carrying out the law.

``I'm not going to change the deeply held views that I have on (the death penalty) because others have deeply held views that disagree,'' he said. ``I totally respect them. And they should respect what the rule of law is here in our state.''

Britton's stepdaughter has also spoken out against the death penalty, calling it ``barbaric and inhuman,'' and said Wednesday that while she doesn't support Hill, she opposes his execution.

``I've had these feelings for a long time, before he (Britton) was murdered, I've always been a proponent of nonviolence,'' Catherine Britton Fairbanks said Wednesday on NBC's ``Today'' show. ``But then when he was murdered that brought it to the forefront.

``I spent a lot of time researching the elements of Paul Hill and his group, but since then I've worked against the death penalty, opposing it whenever I get a chance to speak out against it.''

Britton Fairbanks is estranged from the rest of the Britton family, most of whom support Hill's execution.

``He is not a martyr, but a criminal,'' said Britton's daughter, Patsy Britton Coleman, 43. ``Killing innocent people to scare other people into behaving the way he believes is morally correct is something our society needs to fight against.''

Coleman, of Roseville, N.C., told The News & Observer of Raleigh her father, a family practitioner, felt strongly about giving women the option of choosing an abortion.

Some death penalty opponents have pointed to the prospect of violence as a reason to stop this execution in particular.

``We're very concerned that Paul Hill's call for violence may be picked up by any person to whom God speaks,'' said Abe Bonowitz, the head of Floridians for Alternatives to the Death Penalty. ``That could be prevented. It should be.''

Hill, a father of three, has supporters who have maintained a Web site in his honor, with snapshots and ballads, but most major anti-abortion groups have repudiated him.

Some of his backers liken him to John Brown, the abolitionist hanged for his crimes. One militant anti-abortion group, Missionaries to the Unborn, likens Hill to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the Lutheran pastor from Germany who was executed after joining the plot to assassinate Hitler.

``Paul Hill is being martyred tomorrow, and that's wrong,'' said Bonowitz.


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1 posted on 09/03/2003 7:18:06 AM PDT by JonathansMommie
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To: JonathansMommie
He reminds me of John Brown, the abolitionist who was executed on the cusp of the Civil War.
2 posted on 09/03/2003 7:19:08 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: JonathansMommie
``The sooner I am executed ... the sooner I am going to heaven,'' Hill said in a jailhouse interview. ``I expect a great reward in heaven. I am looking forward to glory. I don't feel remorse.''

72 virgins, eh?

3 posted on 09/03/2003 7:19:46 AM PDT by The_Victor
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To: JonathansMommie
He's sick.
4 posted on 09/03/2003 7:20:22 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: netmilsmom
Ping.
5 posted on 09/03/2003 7:21:29 AM PDT by JonathansMommie (Men are like Animals...........Some Make Better Pets..)
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To: af_vet_1981
That's a good analogy.

John Brown and Paul Hill both opposed great moral evils: enslaving people and murdering children, and they both used questionable means in seeking to alleviate those evils.

It's interesting to contrast Hill's attitude with Karla Fay Tucker's. Both professed Christianity. Tucker's sentence of death was absolutely just. Hill's was more problematic.

Yet Hill, who believes in his heart that he has done no wrong, is willing to go to his death without complaint while Tucker whined and cried and did every undignified bit of squirming possible to worm her way out of her sentence.

The reaction of the death penalty groups is instructive: their silence on Hill has been deafening while they inundated the media with pleas for Tucker.

6 posted on 09/03/2003 7:27:00 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: The_Victor
That's a facile and inaccurate observation.
7 posted on 09/03/2003 7:29:44 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: JonathansMommie
Coleman, of Roseville, N.C., told The News & Observer of Raleigh her father, a family practitioner, felt strongly about giving women the option of choosing an abortion.

Regardless how one sides with Hill here, doesn't that phrase above strike anyone as kind of darkly ironic?

8 posted on 09/03/2003 7:30:38 AM PDT by alancarp (SItting Senators ought not cash in while under the public trust)
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To: JonathansMommie
This guy is an idiot.
9 posted on 09/03/2003 7:30:39 AM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool (The vacant laugh/Of true insanity/Dressed up in the mask of Tragedy)
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To: wideawake
That's a facile and inaccurate observation.

I would lump them all into the same category. They perpetrate evil under the guise of religious authority.

God's ends are only achieved through God's means.

10 posted on 09/03/2003 7:32:28 AM PDT by The_Victor
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To: JonathansMommie
Abortion Doc's Killer expects reward

Satan to killer: We've got a special ring of Hell reserved just for you. BWAHAHAHA

11 posted on 09/03/2003 7:33:35 AM PDT by Prof Engineer (HHD - Blast it Jim. I'm an Engineer, not a walking dictionary.)
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To: wideawake
That's a facile and inaccurate observation.
Boy is Hill going to be surprised when he finds himself spending the rest of eternity in the company of the Sept. 11 murderers.
12 posted on 09/03/2003 7:35:27 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: wideawake
Hill's was more problematic.No, he murdered two people and attempted a third murder. I fail to see how that's problematic. The guy should meet his Maker and get his just reward.

The way he is so pleased with himself and all giddy about it is sick, very sick.

13 posted on 09/03/2003 7:36:53 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn
No, he murdered two people and attempted a third murder.

The interesting thing in the Hill case is who his victims were.

He killed people who were in the business of murdering infants for cash.

Moreover, he killed them as they were preparing to murder more children.

It's interesting that the only reason why Hill is on trial and his victims weren't is that his victims had already passed through the birth canal.

That's problematic - and so is the very notion of the legalized murder of unborn children.

14 posted on 09/03/2003 7:42:46 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: JonathansMommie
Yeah, but his 72 virgins are all going to look exactly like the 69 year old abortionist he murdered. And as 69 y/o virgins, they're all going to be ready for some action, and he's the starting catcher with no replacement in sight.
15 posted on 09/03/2003 7:44:25 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: drjimmy
Boy is Hill going to be surprised when he finds himself spending the rest of eternity in the company of the Sept. 11 murderers.

Will the abortionist will be there with him ?

16 posted on 09/03/2003 7:44:57 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: VRWCmember
Yeah, but his 72 virgins are all going to look exactly like the 69 year old abortionist he murdered. And as 69 y/o virgins, they're all going to be ready for some action, and he's the starting catcher with no replacement in sight.

Is your moral residence Sodom or Gomorrah ?

17 posted on 09/03/2003 7:46:01 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: drjimmy
What a silly statement.

The 9/11 hijackers intentionally and randomly murdered thousands of innocent people.

Hill intentionally and specifically killed two people who were themselves guilty of murder and who were planning to murder still more people.

Your love of abortion blinds you to the hard facts of the case.

18 posted on 09/03/2003 7:47:20 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: af_vet_1981
Is your moral residence Sodom or Gomorrah ?

NOPE!

19 posted on 09/03/2003 7:47:23 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: wideawake
dittos
20 posted on 09/03/2003 7:47:52 AM PDT by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: VRWCmember
NOPE!

Why else would one cheer homosexual rape ?

21 posted on 09/03/2003 7:49:16 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: wideawake
Your love of abortion blinds you to the hard facts of the case.

I hate abortion as much as you do pal, but your defense of this murderer makes you sound like the jihadis. Even Flip Benhem says this guy is a heretic.

22 posted on 09/03/2003 7:49:16 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: JonathansMommie
Paul Hill = murderer.
Dr. John Britton = serial murderer
Lt. Col. James Herman Barrett = accessory to serial murder


What a lovely cast of characters.
23 posted on 09/03/2003 7:50:17 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: af_vet_1981
Why else would one cheer homosexual rape ?

Not cheering it, just observing the contrast between the "reward" he is expecting and the one that awaits him, just like the other jihadis who were expecting 72 virgins in paradise.

24 posted on 09/03/2003 7:51:07 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: JonathansMommie
Watching him on TV, it was easy to see that he is a very sick, evil man. He is glad he killed two humans. He thinks God will reward him.

Not my God.

Sure he thinks he had a reason. Every killer does. The children of those he killed had a reason to hope their parents would be home that night, too.

Sometimes, when watching TV, I see the pictures of the Islamic radicals, then when switching channels, see our "TV preachers" for a moment, and I think...........

25 posted on 09/03/2003 7:51:29 AM PDT by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper station.........)
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To: af_vet_1981
Will the abortionist will be there with him ?

Most likely, yes.

27 posted on 09/03/2003 7:52:41 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: JonathansMommie
We had a local case here 20+ years ago. A young hoodlum burglerizing a home when the couple and there two pre-school aged children return home. He shot and killed all four of them.

He was caught, convicted, and setenced to death.

To this day the setence has not been carried out although there is no doubt that he did the killings (he gave details to the police).

Since the Florida case took place in 94, just 9 years ago, how do you compare the two cases without comming to the conclusion that the legal system in Florida places more value on an abortionists and his helper's life than the State of Indiana places on a young married family of four?

28 posted on 09/03/2003 7:53:08 AM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: The_Victor
I would lump them all into the same category.

Which explains your penchant for inaccuracy.

They perpetrate evil under the guise of religious authority.

You have a confused notion of what "evil" is.

In the Christian religion deadly force is permissible in order to prevent the murder of innocents.

If, in your moral universe, this is "evil" then please explain why.

God's ends are only achieved through God's means.

And what are God's means? Are they what you say they are, are they what Paul Hill says they are, are they what the Book of Joshua says they are? What is the standard?

29 posted on 09/03/2003 7:53:50 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: VRWCmember
Most likely, yes.

Well you seemed certain minutes ago that he would be but are hedging your bets with the abortionists. That tells me you are not quite sure what you believe or why. That is fair enough.

30 posted on 09/03/2003 7:54:22 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: wideawake
they both used questionable means in seeking to alleviate those evils.
There is nothing "questionable" about it. He committed multiple premeditated murders. His embrace of "martyrdom" makes him no different from "suicide bombers" and only proves that religious fanaticism of any stripe (not just Islamic as some would imply) can translate into murderous terrorism.

Use the needle, then keep it ready for Eric Rudolph.

-Eric

31 posted on 09/03/2003 7:55:48 AM PDT by E Rocc ("Dry" counties are a Protestant version of sharia.)
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To: The_Victor
God's ends are only achieved through God's means.

Yet, God's means include the imprecatory psalms. We are too squeamish about those parts of God's Word, and think we should be nicer than God. When the leaders of the Church start leading the church in the praying of these psalms, with specific evildoers mentioned by name, legalized abortion will fade from the American scene. God does not need our lawless actions to enforce His judgement. When civil government refuses to execute its lawful function of protecting innocent life, God can and will.

But He waits for us to ask Him. Using His own Word.

33 posted on 09/03/2003 7:56:18 AM PDT by TomSmedley ((technical writer looking for work!))
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To: Javelina
Just out of curiousity, what does "your God" think of people who understand abortion is murder but don't want to lose any votes by putting a stop to it?
34 posted on 09/03/2003 7:57:21 AM PDT by fortaydoos
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To: fightu4it
how do you compare the two cases without coming to the conclusion that the legal system in Florida places more value on an abortionist's and his helper's life than the State of Indiana places on a young married family of four?

The judicial process takes into account politics, religion, race, gender, and sexual orientation, nothwithstanding best efforts and protestations to the contrary. Ideally all murderers would receive fair trials and fast executions.

35 posted on 09/03/2003 7:58:31 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: MindBender26
come on...the way he sees it, abortion is murder. If abortion is murder, than shooting this doctor is exactly like shooting some psycho who's about to slaughter a classroom full of kindergarteners. In other words, a good thing to do.
36 posted on 09/03/2003 8:00:24 AM PDT by servantoftheservant
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To: E Rocc
Use the needle, then keep it ready for Eric Rudolph.

But let the abortionists continue to take in big bucks in blood money murdering innocent children. Ok.

38 posted on 09/03/2003 8:01:23 AM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: JonathansMommie
"I expect a great reward in heaven. I am looking forward to glory. I don't feel remorse."

No remorse, no glory.

39 posted on 09/03/2003 8:01:47 AM PDT by al_c
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To: af_vet_1981
Most likely, yes. Well you seemed certain minutes ago that he would be but are hedging your bets with the abortionists.

I don't know how the abortionist faced death. Did he repent and cry out for mercy from God for his sins? I don't know. I doubt it (years of routinely killing preborn infants tends to harden the heart and conscience), therefore I conclude most likely, yes he will be in hell with his murderer.

The reason I have no doubt with regard to this former "minister" is that he defiantly and remorselessly proclaims his status as martyr and expects God to reward him for murdering two people. This tells me he does not know Jesus and has never repented of his sin.

40 posted on 09/03/2003 8:02:50 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember
I hate abortion as much as you do pal, but your defense of this murderer makes you sound like the jihadis.

I am not defending Hill. I am merely pointing out the incoherence in our legal system which Hill represents.

In a just society Hill's victims would have been executed years before Hill ever approached them.

I am also calling people on their facile and foolish comparison between Hill and fanatic Muslims.

Not only were the scale, actions and victims in the two cases completely different the motivations were entirely different as well.

Even Flip Benhem says this guy is a heretic.

Mr. Benham is certainly entitled to his opinion, but he has no authority to pronounce anyone orthodox or heterodox.

41 posted on 09/03/2003 8:03:06 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: JonathansMommie
his reward may involve eternal flames. Best to bring water and asbestos shorts.
42 posted on 09/03/2003 8:03:09 AM PDT by bedolido (None of us is as dumb as all of us!)
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To: Javelina
I don't propose to speak for God unlike some on this board.

God needs no one to speak for Him. He wrote 66 books for that purpose. He speaks for Himself quite eloquently .

43 posted on 09/03/2003 8:03:38 AM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: wideawake
In the Christian religion deadly force is permissible in order to prevent the murder of innocents.

Really? So what was meant when Jesus said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

We'll wait for your answer.

In your religion, God judges. Not you.

44 posted on 09/03/2003 8:04:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: af_vet_1981
"The judicial process takes into account politics, religion, race, gender, and sexual orientation, nothwithstanding best efforts and protestations to the contrary. Ideally all murderers would receive fair trials and fast executions."

Why don't they drop the pretenses then and remove the blindfold on the lady?

46 posted on 09/03/2003 8:05:17 AM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: af_vet_1981
He reminds me of John Brown, the abolitionist who was executed on the cusp of the Civil War.

Would you also support the anti-war activist who kills an Army General walking to work at his base?

Would you also support an environmentalist gunning down the CEO of a company that is polluting the rivers?

If you give the right to murder to Paul Hill, you must also give it to the Ted Kasinsky's and Jane Fonda's of the world.

47 posted on 09/03/2003 8:08:08 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: JonathansMommie
``Killing innocent people to scare other people into behaving the way he believes is morally correct is something our society needs to fight against.''

What an odd thing to say in support of applying the death penalty, which IS killing people to scare other people the way we believe is morally correct. I realize she said 'innocent' people, but we are talking about 'innocent' baby butchers.

48 posted on 09/03/2003 8:08:46 AM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: servantoftheservant
So it all depends on the view of the person whose finger is on the trigger? If that's your argument then you can't possibly be offended by September 11th. After all, they believed they were on a mission from God too.
49 posted on 09/03/2003 8:09:24 AM PDT by wtc911
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To: wideawake
I am also calling people on their facile and foolish comparison between Hill and fanatic Muslims. Not only were the scale, actions and victims in the two cases completely different the motivations were entirely different as well.

The differences in scale, actions, and victims do not negate the similarities between Hill and the jihadis. He, just like the fanatic muslims, believes that he can decide that it is God's will that certain people be murdered and he expects a reward in paradise for carrying out God's murder. If his "motivation" is a notion that some unborn baby will be saved, while the muslim jihadis' motivation is the destruction of Israel, that difference in "motivation" only masks their common perception of God as a condoner and planner of murders that they see themselves as "justified" in perpetrating.

50 posted on 09/03/2003 8:10:02 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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