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Miguel Estrada withdraws nomination
FOXNEWS | 9/4/03

Posted on 09/04/2003 6:08:13 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo

Per Fox News, Estrada has withdrawn his nomination.


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: gringohaters; mecha; miguelestrada; nocajonesgop; racistdemocrats
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1 posted on 09/04/2003 6:08:14 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Thane_Banquo
This is an outrage. The Democrats should pay in the next election for this.
2 posted on 09/04/2003 6:10:12 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Rats win.
3 posted on 09/04/2003 6:10:16 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Pyro7480
This is an outrage. Our Republicans should have xrays to prove they actually have guts.
4 posted on 09/04/2003 6:10:54 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning Was the Word!)
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To: Huck
If so, with any luck it'll be a Pyrrhic victory.
5 posted on 09/04/2003 6:11:38 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Thane_Banquo
Really shows the clay feet of the Republicans, that they can be defeated by a fake filibuster.
6 posted on 09/04/2003 6:13:48 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Well, if there were 67 Republican senators, I am sure he would have gotten in. (sarcasm)
7 posted on 09/04/2003 6:15:47 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Pyro7480
This is an outrage. The Democrats should pay in the next election for this.

Yes, but on the duplicate thread, many of the weak Conservatives are threatening to throw in the towel, playing right into the Democrat strategy.

8 posted on 09/04/2003 6:16:06 AM PDT by Consort
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To: mewzilla
I'm sure Dashole is "saddened" by this, if only Estrada would have kissed his arse.

Clearly, Bush was given fully opportunity to exercise his powers to make the appointment during the recess but failed to act. It is a shame.
9 posted on 09/04/2003 6:18:05 AM PDT by AMNZ
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To: Thane_Banquo
What a shame; he was a fine nominee.

The Rats are more less tolerant than any group of people I know, but have somehow been able to sway the voting public that it is the Republicans who are intolerant.
10 posted on 09/04/2003 6:18:07 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Well, the Republicans will really be able to get things done when we have all 100 seats in the Senate and all of the 435 seats in the house. Boy, oh boy, you'll see some really big changes then. Yes Sir, watch out! The conservative tidal wave is going to wash over Washington. Just you wait and see, Mister. Big changes.
11 posted on 09/04/2003 6:18:39 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Peach
Correction: The Rats are LESS tolerant than any group of people I know.
12 posted on 09/04/2003 6:18:51 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
See also http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/975683/posts <-- Previous thread

I hope this event has a silver lining. I'm waiting to hear President Bush's comments, as well as comments from GOP Senators.

Wonder if the DEMs will publicly gloat.

13 posted on 09/04/2003 6:19:49 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Peach
YAARGH!!!
14 posted on 09/04/2003 6:19:51 AM PDT by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: Thane_Banquo
I cannot believe that the White House would have approved this.
16 posted on 09/04/2003 6:21:13 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: AMNZ
Clearly, Bush was given fully opportunity to exercise his powers to make the appointment during the recess but failed to act.

A recess appointment would have been temporary. Most judicial nominees wouldn't be interested in quitting their current jobs for a temp job.

17 posted on 09/04/2003 6:22:56 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Consort
... many of the weak Conservatives are threatening to throw in the towel, playing right into the Democrat strategy.

I thnk the threat has more than one facet. Expressing a wish that the politicos legislate from conservative principles sometimes encourages them to legislate from conservative principles.

18 posted on 09/04/2003 6:23:12 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Sure they will. They saved millions of women from back alley abortions. They are heroes of the highest order.
19 posted on 09/04/2003 6:23:14 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Inconceivable!)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Bigotry won out.
20 posted on 09/04/2003 6:23:36 AM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: William Creel
They are either worthless cowards or they are all the same party, or both.
21 posted on 09/04/2003 6:24:39 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Ugh!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
DEMs gloating over this would nto play well, IMO. I expect them to prefer to keep the fact that Estrada "lost patience" quiet. The DEMs are, after all, achieving their objective by obstructing the power of a majority of Senators.
22 posted on 09/04/2003 6:25:31 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Throwing in the towel, or merely threatening to do so, encourages the opposition to step up their efforts. The lack of backbone and solidarity never works.
23 posted on 09/04/2003 6:27:51 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Thane_Banquo
bush should make a recess-appointment...maybe estrada sees bush losing in 2004...bush has done poorly in iraq, the economy and the federal budget...
24 posted on 09/04/2003 6:27:54 AM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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To: William Creel
Might want to watch the language. This isn't DU...
25 posted on 09/04/2003 6:28:15 AM PDT by cibco (Xin Loi... Saddam)
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To: Consort
Those "weak" conservatives most likely are part of the millions of conservatives that stayed home and didn't vote in 2000!

They want to know why the Republican Party is reaching out to bring in new people -- all they have to do is look in the mirror. Their threatening to sit out elections is what is driving the Republicans to look elsewhere. You can only threaten for so long before people get totally fed up.

Without 58 Republican Senators, this nomination would never have gone anywhere. A lengthy filibuster would not have changed one thing and would have polarized the Senate even more and important work would not be accomplished. It is a travesty, but those are the rules of the Senate and I am not sure that nuking those rules for one nomination would be in the best interest of the Senate.

Even the Hispanic community did not get behind Estrada like I thought they would. People need to quit having tunnel vision and look at much wider picture of what is best for the Country instead of their own agenda in some cases.

You don't win every battle you enter and never will in politics, but you want to win the war at the end which is the election. Making the Senate go into an all out filibuster with Iraq, Afghanistan, terrorist threats, the economy, and anything else you could name on their plate, would not have been smart for the Republicans. Sometimes you take your losses and live to fight another day.

My opinon I know goes against the grain of a lot of folks on here but that is the way I see politics. Confrontational, in your face politics, gains very little and in my belief harms your cause.
26 posted on 09/04/2003 6:31:17 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicon Pi Mom too!)
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To: Thane_Banquo
I would comment, but my "self-censor" is preventing me from saying any more than DAMN IT!
27 posted on 09/04/2003 6:33:10 AM PDT by steveegg (I have one thing to say to the big spenders; BLIZZARD OF RECALL TOUR!)
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To: Thane_Banquo

28 posted on 09/04/2003 6:33:54 AM PDT by StriperSniper (The Federal Register is printed on pulp from The Tree Of Liberty)
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To: Consort
I think you have it wrong. The STRONG conservatives are the ones threatening to "throw in the towel" as you call it. Maybe we have just had enough of FAKE conservatives.
29 posted on 09/04/2003 6:34:14 AM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: steveegg
I agree. This is appalling.
30 posted on 09/04/2003 6:35:03 AM PDT by truthkeeper ( be)
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To: Consort
I generally don't take the threat (to not vote GOP) as any more than the expression of anger. That is, many people threaten, but I know at least one (me) who pulls GOP even after expressing frustration over GOP flip-flop (e.g., we're gonna disband the Dept of Edu. No, wait, we're going to expand its powers).

Rather than dismiss the person making the threat, it's better, IMO, to assess the substance of their complaint.

Look for common ground, not divisive ground.

None of us should have any concern about stepped-up liberal efforts, they are more entertaining when they are animated.

31 posted on 09/04/2003 6:36:45 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Zack Nguyen
I can. Frankly I hope Estrada told Bush and Frist to stuff it.
32 posted on 09/04/2003 6:37:15 AM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: Thane_Banquo
Republicans always back down in a fight. This is becoming a sickening trend. The White House let this poor guy twist in the wind with very little support. If the President wants to appoint someone to the federal bench, he should throw the full weight of the presidency behind the nomination. Otherwise, what's the point?
33 posted on 09/04/2003 6:37:16 AM PDT by Modernman
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To: PhiKapMom
The only problem with that is they never got tough. This is the senate repubs fault, and bush's for not taking the fight to the democrats.
34 posted on 09/04/2003 6:37:52 AM PDT by DodgeRam
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To: PhiKapMom
...They want to know why the Republican Party is reaching out to bring in new people ...

Oh, everyone knows why they want new people to join the party. Because they have betrayed and abandoned the ones who got them into office in the first place.

Face it, they just want to be democrats. It's too much effort for them to stand up for republicans and show some courage.
35 posted on 09/04/2003 6:38:07 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Ugh!)
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To: Huck
They ALWAYS do. (WIN) I foolishly thought that if EVER the GOP had the Presidency and both houses things would change. I have been very dissappointed. The gimmies are masters at the GAME of politics and this INJUSTICE will fade quickly. As you said the Dems WIN.....again.
36 posted on 09/04/2003 6:39:19 AM PDT by PISANO
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To: alnick
You are so right! I keep hearing recess appointments bandied about on here and it is obvious that these folks have no knowledge of recess appointments. They are temporary not permanent appointments!

I think recess appointments should be used with caution and not used for judicial nominations that are contentious.

Whatever happened to the rational discourse with facts that used to be on this site? Seems more and more I am seeing people that don't like what happened, threatening not to vote. If Estrada decided to pull his nomination, what was President Bush supposed to do -- lock him up and demand he stay in the fight! Some things are not worth it to an individual to keep fighting for and this may have been one of those for Estrada.

I want to shout -- LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE! Going into 2004, the fact that the DemocRATs defied the will of the majority in the Senate on judicial nominations can be used against those same DemocRATs.

What if the shoe was on the other foot, Republicans were in the minority, and a DemocRAT President nominated a judge that they didn't want -- what do people on here think would happen? The very same thing!

But then I remember some of those great filibusters of the past where Republicans talked and talked for hours to hold up something they didn't like. Some of those fililbusters were funny -- loved to hear what Strom Thurmond had to say!

37 posted on 09/04/2003 6:39:30 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicon Pi Mom too!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Those "weak" conservatives most likely are part of the millions of conservatives that stayed home and didn't vote in 2000!

Yes, they are the Clinton Conservatives (as opposed to Reagan Democrats) who help to enable the Clintons rather than sending them back to Arkansas. They can not be relied upon to keep the Democrats out of power. Many Conservative voters have serious "blind spots" and tend to act weird if they don't get their way.

38 posted on 09/04/2003 6:40:40 AM PDT by Consort
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To: PhiKapMom
Confrontational politics is rarely necessary or advisable, but occasionally an issue comes up that is based purely on principle. On such issues there can be no giving in. Putting pro-life, pro-family conservatives on the courts is one of those issues. The principle of the Senate performing it's advise and consent role is one of those issues. Keeping Ted Kennedy from having defacto control over court nominations is one of those issues.

Democrats understood all this. A rash of pro-life, pro-family judges is entirely unacceptable to them. To them it was a matter of principle. They stood as their ideology professed.

To Republicans the battle was about politics and elections only. They were willing to lose. The Republicans failed. The country is worse off.
39 posted on 09/04/2003 6:42:05 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: clintonh8r
I kept my note all this time to ping you when Estrada was sworn in, but that is evidently not going to happen.

I am very unhappy with this turn of events, and obviously, I was wrong.

The Republican Senate blew this-----big time.


40 posted on 09/04/2003 6:43:16 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: PhiKapMom
I want to shout -- LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE! Going into 2004, the fact that the DemocRATs defied the will of the majority in the Senate on judicial nominations can be used against those same DemocRATs.

And just WHO is going to use it against them? The media? Or maybe the Republicans themselves will drop the white glove routine and the "new tone" and actually bring it up themselves?

Like, FIGHT BACK?

41 posted on 09/04/2003 6:43:59 AM PDT by truthkeeper ( be)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
All you do is critize. Bet you don't even vote Republican -- that seems to be the mantra on here recently -- a host of crticism is coming from folks that back in 2000 had no intention of supporting Pres Bush much less voting for him but now they want to tell the rest of us lifelong Republicans what we should do so we can lose elections!

The half empty glass or less than half folks can take it and shove it for all I care -- if they spent half as much time working for positive change instead of sitting behind a keyboard criticizing all the time, this Country would be a better place.

42 posted on 09/04/2003 6:44:14 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicon Pi Mom too!)
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To: Thane_Banquo
I would have done the same thing if gutless Republican Senators and President Bush had forsaken me.
43 posted on 09/04/2003 6:45:14 AM PDT by xrp
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To: PISANO
this INJUSTICE will fade quickly

There was never anything to fade. No one ever really cared. The news media sure isn't gonna stir it up either. It was a non story. The dems knew that from the start.

44 posted on 09/04/2003 6:45:37 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Consort
Many Conservative voters have serious "blind spots" and tend to act weird if they don't get their way.

We are on the same page! Good points!

45 posted on 09/04/2003 6:45:44 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicon Pi Mom too!)
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To: All; aristeides; BillF
I am not surprised by this. He made noises he was going to if it wasn't resolved soon.

It's only fair to Mr. Estrada to not permit him to twist in the wind like that. I think he made the right decision for himself.

It remains a shame that the DC Circuit is still short-staffed. I hope someone -- perhaps Maureen Mahoney -- is quickly nominated for the vacancy.
46 posted on 09/04/2003 6:46:01 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: PhiKapMom
Those "weak" conservatives most likely are part of the millions of conservatives that stayed home and didn't vote in 2000!

They want to know why the Republican Party is reaching out to bring in new people -- all they have to do is look in the mirror. Their threatening to sit out elections is what is driving the Republicans to look elsewhere. You can only threaten for so long before people get totally fed up....

Can't say it better myself. Like it or not, we have to work with and get control of the Republican Party. With the pace of politics now, and the advanced state of decline the nation's in, we can't afford to wait around 8 years for a party that is to our liking to rise up and rival the 'Rats like disaffected Whigs did in the 1850s.

...It is a travesty, but those are the rules of the Senate and I am not sure that nuking those rules for one nomination would be in the best interest of the Senate.

Even the Hispanic community did not get behind Estrada like I thought they would....

I hate to quibble, but it's more than one nomination. With Estrada now officially gone, the DemonRATs will do this to everyone they perceive as a threat from. The fact that this happened first to a conservative "minority" makes the blow even more painful and permanent. It truly signifies that, as long as there are not 60 conservatives in the Senate, no conservative jurist can ever hope to be anything more than a district judge.

47 posted on 09/04/2003 6:48:02 AM PDT by steveegg (I have one thing to say to the big spenders; BLIZZARD OF RECALL TOUR!)
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To: PhiKapMom
If Bush and co. are willing to let down and let twist in the wind Miguel Estrada, an indivdual who they had so much political capital invested in (not enough apprenetly), why should I believe that they won't sell outthe conservative base and values as well?
48 posted on 09/04/2003 6:48:15 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: Consort
By weird do you mean disagreeing with you? Just asking.
49 posted on 09/04/2003 6:48:30 AM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: Huck
I agree - the Democrats have won. They will push even harder for the pro-life judge. This puts every single conservative judge in jeopardy. No one will remember Miguel Estrada this time next year.

This represents incompetence of the highest order. The Republicans ought to be ashamed.
50 posted on 09/04/2003 6:49:19 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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