Al Qaeda planning new U.S. attacks (Canadian Flights?)

CNN ^ | 9/4/03 | Jeanne Meserve and Kelli Arena

[Lunatic Fringe]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Department of Homeland Security advisory issued Thursday warns that al Qaeda is working on plans to hijack airliners flying between international points that pass near or over the continental United States.

A Department of Homeland Security official said most of the flights fitting this description originate in Canada, and that U.S. officials have been working with Canada over the past month to ensure it is improving screening and other security measures.

[Lunatic Fringe]

NO mention in this story whatsoever of the recent arrests in Canada!

[Lunatic Fringe]

[maestro]

Everyone a target except the U.N., France, and Germany!

/sarcasm

[ElkGroveDan]

Here are a couple of them disguised as average Canadians:

[bitcon]

Ya last I heard they arrested 21 and realeased 2. I wouldn't be surprised. A week after 9/11 i went to LAX from YVR (Vancouver International Airport), I walked through the metal detectors and beeped, then told the guy that I had money in my pocket and that's all I had. He said OK and let me go without searching me. Compare this to when I flew from SEA to Reagan in Aug 02. I beeped so they pulled me aside and frisked me, emptied my pockets, removed my shoes questioned me then did it again at the gate and searched my bag. 100 miles apart and 2 totally different worlds.

[rickmichaels]

U.S. officials have been working with Canada over the past month to ensure it is improving screening and other security measures.

The "R" word guaran-damn-tees any and all rabble and/or assorted motley crewmembers entry into Canada. Once here, they disappear. Real good security from north of the border, eh? The senile fool known as Jean Cretin doesn't give a rat's ass as long as they vote Liberal. 02/04 can't come soon enough.

[Mo1]

One government official noted, however, the United States has no authority to require security measures of non-U.S. carriers whose flights originate outside the United States.

Ummmm .. we can deny air space for Canada to fly

[blam]

"The advisory includes a laundry list of possible attack scenarios, and says al Qaeda may be researching how to disseminate diseases and toxins by contaminating water and food, or aerosolizing an agent in an enclosed space."

If they succeed in any of these attacks, I predict a military draft and than we'll march WW2 style through all the countries in the Middle East.

[maestro]

Right!

Al Qaeda planning new U.S. attacks (Canadian Power Grids?)

/sarcasm

[bitcon]

Hopefully after Paul Martin gets in Chretien will realize that no one likes him or even listens to him and hell leave early. But hes a stuborn bastard so I doubt it. Luckily hes forcing the gay marriage crap in the the courts so it should be around when the next election is called and we can all wave good bye the the Liberals.

[bitcon]

Forget the grids. All they have to do it hit one of the main dams in BC and their will be massive destruction and a huge loss of power to all of the west coast.

[Shermy]

aerosolizing an agent in an enclosed space.

The lesson learned by Aum Shinrikyo. Before the subway sarin attack, they had several attacks, outdoors, with agents, all unsuccessful.

BTW, did I ping you to the new Potato threat? ;)

[bitcon]

I doubt it. Nukes all the way. We lose no one and they lose everyone. Mind you well lose the oil too but Alberta has lots of it something like 2.5 trillion barrels. Plus Alberts is pro US so it shouldn't be much of a problem to get them to join up with you. Just let me know so i can get there before it's annexed.

[genefromjersey]

I've been posting stuff about the Canadian risk-and getting soundly flamed - online, and at home !!

My wife thinks I should be worrying about the IMPORTANT things: Do I think our 40 something daughter is HAPPY ??

As my late friend Marty would say: " OY !"

By the way, the Feebies are also promising us poisoned crops,hijacked planes, and assorted other 9/11 celebrations...

[Squawk 8888]

It would take one helluva blast to bust a modern dam. In WWII they needed to detonate 10,000lb bombs behind the dams, underwater, to have any effect; the bombs that went off on the dry side barely scuffed the concrete.

[baltodog]

It would be so easy to support that decsion without a moment's hesitation.
The US is the basis of the free world. No one else. Every country that supports us, depends on us.
Something that would cause the very fiber of the free world to falter would be answered with a nuclear yield. I'm sure most Americans would demand it. I would rather see the whole world end, than see the United States ruined.

[RonHolzwarth]

re: "Nukes all the way. We lose no one and they lose everyone. Mind you will lose the oil too."

NO!

The oil is SAFE underground, and can be pumped out after the radioacivity subsides!

[bitcon]

I bet it would take one hell of a blast. I bet a 747 at 500 miles an hour could do it though.

[bitcon]

Ya it could but it's not like the radio activity will subside over night. Plus I'm not sure about if the oil would or could burn off.

[Pro-Bush]

What you say may be true, but I think biologicals will be used. A muslim fanatic will volunteer to be infected with smallpox, ebola, Botulinum, Antrax, or Aflatoxin, sneak in across the Canadian border in to NYC and now you have a major problem. Outbreak!

[bitcon]

I didn't even think about that but that's a total possibility.

[LibWhacker]

If they succeed in any of these attacks, I predict a military draft and than we'll march WW2 style through all the countries in the Middle East.

Yep, I agree . . . But not for about 50,000 years when the land cools down enough to walk on.

[Eala]

Plus Alberta is pro US so it shouldn't be much of a problem to get them to join up with you.

Em, is it alright to ask them to shed their liberals first?

[bitcon]

They have. Same with BC. Most of the MPs are Canadian Alliance which supported the War in Iraq.

[Milwaukee_Guy]

"The advisory includes a laundry list of possible attack scenarios,..."

Another mass CYA advisory...............

[joyful1]

Racial profile all Arabs. It's cheap and effective.

Oh, I forgot, that would be politically incorrect. How silly of me to suggest something that is PC.

[battousai]

And what about Mexico? I would think security there is probably a hundredfold worse than it is up here in Canukistan.

[bikewench]

... and the rest of you paranoics....

You think nuking Canada is going to get rid of your terrorist problems?? LMAO

So...after that... why don't you just run a fence down the west and east coast of the United States...

Oh wait... you already tried that with Mexico... and they still keep getting through...

Gee... I guess you better flatten the rest of the planet to be entirely safe, and hope no terrorists are already on US soil... aye? ; )

[Eala]

Interesting. I've known some refugee Albertans here in The Peoples' Soviet of Washington, aka The Evergreed State and they've been delightfully conservative. OTOH, most people I've known from BC are, em, rather left-wing. More conservative than Ithacans, but left-wing.

[kitkat]

***Ummmm .. we can deny air space for Canada to fly***

We're on the same page, Mo. I wonder if we used this as an inducement to Canadian officials.

[TBall]

"just run a fence down the west and east coast of the United States..." If we make the fence out of bacon it just might work.

[bitcon]

I never said nuking Canada was a solution. I don't want that to happen, atleast until after I get out.

[CindyDawg]

I think they will go after the target that the 4th plane didn't hit the last time.

[bitcon]

There alot of left wingers in BC especially in Vancouver. Outside Vancouver (like 20 minutes away from vancouver) the people are alot more right wing. The people in Alberta are alot better as is the government which is why my family who can't get out of Canada are heading there.

[Itzlzha]

Ya it could but it's not like the radio activity will subside over night. Plus I'm not sure about if the oil would or could burn off.

Are you kidding, or do you not know what radiation is, or how it works in reality?

I need to check before I am forced to go into "Radiation 101"!

[Itzlzha]

Gee... I guess you better flatten the rest of the planet to be entirely safe, and hope no terrorists are already on US soil... aye? ; )

It's a start..and we can get rid of a lot of LIEberals while we are at it!

[bitcon]

Are you saying that the next day there wont be any radiation?

[GOPJ]

You're solution would get attention, the threat alone might work... .

Ummmm .. we can deny air space for Canada to fly

[pointsal]

Heck ....their forefathers never got the message either.
It is time to upgrade the travel restrictions with Canada and Mexico.

[Itzlzha]

No, not unless we NUKE the Oil Fields!

And then, we'd have a sea of glass to deal with.

[Centurion2000]

By far my biggest fear. 100 shopping malls over ten cities on one week-end would cause a fallout by about the Thursday or Friday that would make 9/11 look like a traffic accident.

Yup .... and I'm sure little ill Kim in NK would be happy to hand them the tools (smallpox) to do it.

[bitcon]

A nuke isn't a precision weapon. If a nuke could be dropped within a dozen miles of an oil field and destroy the oil field, this depends on the size of the nuke but assuming it comes from an ICBM it's not going to be a tactical warhead.

[Mo1]

You're solution would get attention, the threat alone might work...

It sure would get their attention

[Centurion2000]

Gee... I guess you better flatten the rest of the planet to be entirely safe,

If they kill 10 million Americans with a bio-weapon we just might start with any non-Western country and go from there.

[JamminJAY]

Hummm.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/976191/posts

[JamminJAY]

Hummm.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/976195/posts?page=1

[Calpernia]

What is a Feebie?

[Itzlzha]

OK, you assume they would use a Mega-ton yield near an oil field...nice to see that you think the Military so dumb...

Second, they are using air-burst at about 1500'. Overpressure and thermal will wipe the surface clean and create a glass plain. Now, the Oil is deep. I'm not discounting some surface contamination, but the general field should be safe.

Any "Radioactive" oil can be used in reactors where it would get exposure to Gammma anyway...so long as the contamination was below (X), and not of a corrosive/damaging particulate nature. ( I know, I've got contacts that confirm this usage.)

Third, we tend to use Fusion, so the dirty stuff is mostly consumed.

[shaggy eel]

One government official noted, however, the United States has no authority to require security measures of non-U.S. carriers whose flights originate outside the United States.

,,, I'm in New Zealand. We're having to comply with new maritime security requirements for container and freight dispatches or else we don't get to trade with the US. We're already meeting stringent security requirements for outbound flights, this should be standard for any carrier from any origin.