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China Sent 150,000 Troops To Korean Border As Tension Mounts
Renminbao ^ | September 3, 2003

Posted on 09/04/2003 10:02:40 PM PDT by FreepForever

Informed diplomatic sources said China’s authority is feeling increasingly “uneasy” towards the North Korean nuclear deadlock, as tension mounts. Beijing had secretly made military arrangement according to the N Korean crisis. 150,000 PLA Armies were sent to the Sino-Korean border to substitute the local Military Police (WuJing Budui) stationing there, in preparation for any possible American attack on N Korea.

This military maneuver on the Sino-Korean border was quietly made when the six-party talk was still taking place in Beijing. A total of three Field Army Groups (total 150,000 men) are now being deployed. According to PLA organization, one Field Army Group (YeZhan JunTuan) is equivalent to 50,000 men, consisting of 3 infantry divisions, 1 heavy-armor division and 1 artillery division.

Although the Military Police is also under the PLA, replacing the border forces with those with combat capability has more implications than strengthening the border control. This is not only to prevent a sudden flood of N Korean refugees. The more important task is: a contingency plan for a possible American attack on N Korea.

Once the Korean Peninsula situation lost control and the nuclear crisis cannot be solved through peaceful means, an Iraq war style massive air attack followed by ground troops advance is expected. The PLA forces at the border can avoid chaos and quickly seal the border.

After Hu Jintao took office, China’s policy toward N Korea has experienced major change. According to the report, even if an American attack on N Korea becomes a reality, China’s forces will abstain from joining the war. To prevent the possibility of war, China is working hard for a peaceful solution and tried not to posture herself as an opposition of America.

China and North Korea have signed a “Sino-Korean Joint-Security Pact” -- military aid must be provided when either side is under the military attack from a foreign force. To prevent getting involved in an American-Korean conflict, China is now reviewing the alteration of the terms of this treaty and has entered the deliberation stage.

China has got to convey a message to Kim Jong-Il: Do not expect China to continue with the “Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea (kangmei yuanchao)” policy from 1950-53. Today’s reality is: if a peaceful solution fails, Beijing will not send troops to N Korea to assist their fighting. Instead, they will send troops to close the border. They hope that this change of posture can tell Kim to stay in line with the Big Brother (China) and try to solve the stalemate with America with an earnest attitude.

Photo Caption: Hu Jintao is disgusted with Jiang Zemin’s Korean policy.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: border; china; chinastuff; northkorea; nuclearcrisis; pla; zanupf
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This is my translation of the original article in renminbao.com

For the original Chinese version, please visit: http://www.renminbao.com/rmb/articles/2003/9/3/27782b.html

1 posted on 09/04/2003 10:02:41 PM PDT by FreepForever
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To: *China stuff; *china_stuff; Enemy Of The State; HighRoadToChina; maui_hawaii; Slyfox; ...
(((((PING)))))
Freepmail me for on and off list.
2 posted on 09/04/2003 10:03:42 PM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: FreepForever
rut roh!
3 posted on 09/04/2003 10:07:39 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Ping.
4 posted on 09/04/2003 10:07:41 PM PDT by Shermy (Show us the glove box!)
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To: FreepForever
Forgot to post the picture of Jiang Zemin and Kim


5 posted on 09/04/2003 10:18:33 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: FreepForever
It will not be the same war this time, Chicoms. Death will rain upon you fom the sky. This time your 150,000 troops will die in ignonimity as have our recent combatants -- refer to the Middle East. This using our LEAST potent weapons, mind you. We are, after all, benevolent.
6 posted on 09/04/2003 10:26:14 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

. . .CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG. . .

7 posted on 09/04/2003 10:32:40 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: FreepForever
Well, they're on the border and they're waiting for something. Maybe our invasion. Maybe theirs.

It's a war of nerves. It isn't only the North Koreans who may be building bombs, and the Japanese would be much, much better at it in any case - and unlike their NK counterparts, they do have plenty of material. China is waiting for us to make the first move and we are waiting for them. If nobody moves, the world changes. If we move together, the world changes. It will be a fine calculation on the part of the Chinese which world will be more advantageous to them. My guess is that one with both North Korea and Japan armed with nuclear weapons probably isn't the best option, if indeed they have any real option left at all. Loss of the option changes the world as well. "May you live in interesting times!"

8 posted on 09/04/2003 10:35:56 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: FreepForever
This is actually an encouraging development if true. Is this a reliable site. I've not seen it before.
9 posted on 09/04/2003 10:36:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Billthedrill
It isn't only the North Koreans who may be building bombs, and the Japanese would be much, much better at it in any case - and unlike their NK counterparts, they do have plenty of material

Are the Japanese building a bomb?

10 posted on 09/04/2003 10:47:17 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: PhilDragoo

It's MOAB time!

11 posted on 09/04/2003 10:50:21 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Billthedrill; DoughtyOne; tallhappy
This is an interesting development. However, there is no guarantee where China will stand when the actual shooting starts. Let's wait and see.

tallhappy: thanks for posting the photo.
12 posted on 09/04/2003 10:51:01 PM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: FreepForever
Re #1

Thanks. I have been considering the translation of the same article from Korean language source(excerpted from Chinese.) It is better to have the translation from the Chinese source.:)

As this article indicates, Chinese troops are not there to help N. Koreans if a war breaks out in Korean Peninsula. They are there to pressure N. Korea and stem the chaos at the border. They may move in to restore order if the N. Korean regime collapses.

It is also possible that Chinese troops are there for the orderly processing of N. Korean refugees and checking N. Korean military incursions, if there would be a mass exodus of N. Korean refugees once refugee camps are built near the N. Korean border and the news of it gets out.

Many felt that this was an unrealistic scenario back in last December. I thought this would be quite likely. Now it happened.

13 posted on 09/04/2003 10:54:17 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
One Japanese politician purposely leaked that they too have some nuclear fuel rods unaccounted for AND suggest that they can assemble a shake-and-bake nuclear device in very short notice. Well, Kim can take this as a bluff. You never know before you try, just like Israel who never admitted they have nuclear weapon.
14 posted on 09/04/2003 10:55:05 PM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; yonif; Amelia; MEG33
Ping!
15 posted on 09/04/2003 10:55:33 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
We don't know. Nor do we know if the North Koreans really are. That's what makes this so interesting. The Chinese really do have a good deal at stake in maintaining the status quo, for a change, and the North Koreans are trying their best to upset it. In the absence of a potential Japanese nuclear program I think the Chinese would be more than happy to let NK continue to be a pain in the U.S.'s collective butt.

What we do know the Japanese are doing is (1) pursuing an active missile defense program, and (2) openly discussing modifying several key provisions of their constitution, the ones prohibiting them from developing offensive armaments. That alone will cause some midnight oil to burn in Beijing. I think - it's just IMHO - I think the Japanese would certainly pursue an active nuclear program should the North Koreans perform a successful test, and I think they'd be silly to wait until that actually happened. There's too much at stake, and time is precious. And that's what the Chinese are thinking about.

16 posted on 09/04/2003 10:55:39 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Wow, you can translate from Korean to English. That's really something. Yes, your analysis is accurate given the present circumstances. I too, don't think the PRC is stupid enough to risk a war with the US just over a mad man. However, PRC is equally wary of a pro-American unified Korea sitting right across her border. That's PRC's headache, not mine.
17 posted on 09/04/2003 11:01:26 PM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: FreepForever
Re #17

I agree. The Chinese influence in Korean Peninsula will grow thanks to ham-handed N. Korean behavior, the one who always professes to be self-reliant and independent.:)

18 posted on 09/04/2003 11:12:26 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: FreepForever
Thanks for the info
19 posted on 09/04/2003 11:36:30 PM PDT by knighthawk (Full of power I'm spreading my wings, facing the storm that is gathering near)
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To: FreepForever
Still trading with China, our "friend." We go to Wal-Mart to help finance the Chinese nuclear threat to the U.S.
20 posted on 09/04/2003 11:56:24 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Chia Sent 150,000 Troops To Korean Border As Tension Mounts

Okay, I see, there's an n in there.

21 posted on 09/04/2003 11:57:42 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: FreepForever

thanks for posting this to me

much appreciated
22 posted on 09/05/2003 1:25:54 AM PDT by The Pheonix
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To: TigerLikesRooster; FreepForever
You guys can translate Chinese and Korean? I'm impressed.
23 posted on 09/05/2003 4:04:01 AM PDT by snopercod (And if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed.)
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To: Billthedrill; First_Salute
Yes, Japan is interesting.

Let's see...A former great militaristic power, now experiencing economic hard times for a number of years - forbidden from producing weapons since the last war they lost...

Remind you of any other country?

24 posted on 09/05/2003 4:09:51 AM PDT by snopercod (And if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed.)
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To: snopercod
I don't know about TigerLikesRoosters but I am a Chinese living in Hong Kong and have the access to all communist and anti-communist media.
25 posted on 09/05/2003 5:05:05 AM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: FreepForever
I hope the American people can understand that when it comes to North Korea, we could fight a war, and win. To constantly believe that the lines in the sand cannot be crossed, leads us into a false sense of security.

Iraq and Afghanistan should have reminded everyone that we are looking to our future survival, not hiding our heads in shame after Somalia or Viet Nam.
26 posted on 09/05/2003 5:31:49 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Thanks mucho. And, kindly note my FR post from 9/1/03 which I think you caught:

"Australian PM Howard had secret tapes of China's tough talk on North Korea Posted by AmericanInTokyo to happygrl; TigerLikesRooster; dasboot; risk On News/Activism 09/01/2003 11:03 PM EDT #9 of 14 "Thank you happygrl. And, with a side note to TLR, dasboot and risk, I might also bring to your attention the recent activity by China on North Korea's northern border. What has been purposely happening over the last few weeks and months is that Beijing has moved to replace the armed policemen serving as border guards on the NK border, with REGULAR ARMED FORCES OF THE PEOPLES LIBERATION ARMY. By my sources I've checked with recently, the Chinese regulars being brought in by the PLA number nearly 100,000. This has been China putting the subtle pressure on Pyongyang to quit playing around and making nuclear provocations which China does NOT want to see happen. We are all anti-communists on this thread. But we cannot allow our anti-communism to become so doctrinaire, narrow and inflexible that it clouds objectivity and our capability in our analysis to be able to percieve East Asia policy and paradigm shifts we would have only dreamed about in the 1960s and 70s, with respect to China and North Korea. Believe me, these things are indeed going down and it is not just disinformation by Beijing to fool the United States. They are definitely starting to part ways with Kim Jong il."

27 posted on 09/05/2003 5:59:59 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Saddam Had No Taepodong-II nuke ICBMs capable of hitting the World's Largest & 2nd Largest Economies)
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To: FreepForever
good job. dou xie
28 posted on 09/05/2003 6:05:42 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Saddam Had No Taepodong-II nuke ICBMs capable of hitting the World's Largest & 2nd Largest Economies)
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To: FreepForever
150K, That's a fairly small portion of what the PLA has to send. I wonder if that's a contingency force or the whole thing.

As a contingency force, that gives them more than enough time to put togeather a large-scale intervention into N. Korea.

As a stand-alone army, that would be too large to merely close a border with and too small to nuetralize US advantages such as air power and manuever capability.

A deployemnt of 30K or 500K would seemingly make more sense.
29 posted on 09/05/2003 6:25:12 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (More Americans 18-49 Watch The Cartoon Network than CNN!!!)
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To: FreepForever; HighRoadToChina; Jeff Head; swarthyguy; Orion78; Noswad
If anyone believes the propaganda that these troops are "to seal the border" then I suggest reading Sun Tzu's "The Art of War."

"When you are near, you must appear to be far...."

30 posted on 09/05/2003 6:53:04 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I am the one who should say dou xie. Thanks for your post #27 and your pointing out of: Anti-communism with a clear mind and sharp eye is what we need here.

I am a Chinese and also a staunch anti-communist. I am saving my last breath on earth just to witness the demise of the Chinese Communist Party. However, sometimes when I speak the truth about China’s policy, there’s always someone accuses me of pro-Beijing.
31 posted on 09/05/2003 7:38:27 AM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: snopercod
Let's see...A former great militaristic power, now experiencing economic hard times for a number of years - forbidden from producing weapons since the last war they lost...

Remind you of any other country?

These were not the factors that led to WWII. It was a culture of envy, collectivism, and servility that led to it.

32 posted on 09/05/2003 7:45:01 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win (CAVEAT DICTATOR . AMERICA ANTE PORTAS)
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To: .cnI redruM
What if the 150K is, besides sealing the border, just enough to intimidate Kim Jong-Il into becoming a good boy and not to create any more trouble that disrupts Big Brother’s economy growing plan? Although I am a staunch anti-communist and a CCP-hater, I cannot see how China can profit in this “mad-man-protecting-business” and risk a direct military conflict with America. In the contrary, if China can keep Kim from misbehaving, China can ask a lot of favors from the US (say, stop arms sales to Taiwan). Call this blackmail or whatever you like, but China can gain much more by keep Kim in line than letting this rascal ruin the party. I may be wrong but this is how the present situation shows.
33 posted on 09/05/2003 7:55:21 AM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: FreepForever
Red China does NOT want to see North Korea start an arms race in the area. The Japanese have been slowly increasing their military while pointing to NK as the reason. Vietnam is adding some capabilities. Taiwan has been looking for new weapons. I imagine that Red China would prefer that everyone go back to sleep but North Korea is the local alarm clock that won't keep ringing.
34 posted on 09/05/2003 7:59:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
keep ringing=Quit ringing
35 posted on 09/05/2003 7:59:53 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: snopercod
Let's see...A former great militaristic power, now experiencing economic hard times for a number of years - forbidden from producing weapons since the last war they lost...
Remind you of any other country?

Nein, mein herr. Und I am zertain zat hass not occurred to ze Chinese eizer...

36 posted on 09/05/2003 8:12:41 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: TigerLikesRooster; FreepForever; HighRoadToChina; Squantos
They may move in to restore order if the N. Korean regime collapses

Sort of like they did the last time the N. Korean regime fell? Of course, if that is the ultimate case...then the nubers will continue to grow.

I do not believe we can necessarily equate this to a good thing. It could well be that the Chinese are pressuring the N. Koreans to stop so much bluster that is causing so many ripples in the area. If they are doing that, it is to the achievement of their ultimate goals which are (at the very least) economic hegonomy in the region...meanig we lose out.

On the other hand, it could equally well be that they are either doing it for our consumption, or the Chinese are preparing in advance for things that they see coming as a result of that blustering. If they are preparing for that, then the impact to us is even sooner and more troublesome.

I do not trust either of them...deception, intrigue and feints are a way of life and a culture for their war making, and make no mistake, the econnomic side of this is viewed as warfare to them. It is a very dicey situation and one we cannot afford to misjudge in either direction.

We must stand firm against N. Korea and put a stop to their nuclear program...and we must seek the aid of Japan, the ROC and the Philippines IMHO in that stance. We must also find ways to apply more economic pressure on the Chinese as opposed to feeding their ambitions with the hard currency and manufacturing capability we are, without abandon, pumping into them now. In the end, China is the larger threat, particularly if we continue to finance their efforts, under their current regime, to become economically solvent by stripping ourselfves of economic and physical capability so it can be placed within their borders.

But that's just my opinion.

Jeff

37 posted on 09/05/2003 8:22:07 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: FreepForever
In the contrary, if China can keep Kim from misbehaving, China can ask a lot of favors from the US (say, stop arms sales to Taiwan). Call this blackmail or whatever you like, but China can gain much more by keep Kim in line than letting this rascal ruin the party. I may be wrong but this is how the present situation shows.

Excellent point...and it could all be engineered to that end from the beginning...bad cop (N. Korea), good cop (The PRC), all to achieve ends they may not have been able to without such a show.

But, as I said, it could also be geared towards other ends. We have to be very careful and I believe Bush and his people are trying to do just that. I just wish we could and would bite the bullet and put more pressure on the RPC itself.

38 posted on 09/05/2003 8:27:41 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: FreepForever
That is possible. There is an interesting parallel here between CHina taking down KIJ and the US deposing Noriega.
39 posted on 09/05/2003 8:31:03 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (More Americans 18-49 Watch The Cartoon Network than CNN!!!)
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To: AppyPappy
Excellent analogy, especially the "alarm clock that won't quit ringing" part. What China is doing now is to press the stop button on Kim.
40 posted on 09/05/2003 8:36:02 AM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: Jeff Head
Yes, I agree with you that China has some scheme grander in scale than having Kim create trouble by picking on the biggest guy in the block. It just doesn't make any business sense for China.
41 posted on 09/05/2003 8:41:01 AM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: FreepForever
I think China is wobbly on exactly what to do. On the one hand, NK makes a good ally to hold off capitalism on their border. OTOH, they cannot control NK as much as they would like. Now that NK has nukes, NK no longer needs China (as much) as a military ally. I bet China is very nervous about that.

The question is: What can China do about it? I say "very little". But Chinese politics are multi-layered and you never know which layer is correct and, if it is, will it continue to be correct?

42 posted on 09/05/2003 8:44:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: .cnI redruM
Haha! That's really interesting. By the way, that's much easier than the US's taking down of Noriega. Just have Jiang Zemin (Kim's buddy) invite Kim to Beijing to have a private talk and detain the bad boy. Then announce to the world that Kim chooses to go into exile. File closed. Nobody will ask any question. Everybody is happy.
43 posted on 09/05/2003 8:47:06 AM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: AppyPappy
Don't you just hate finding those errors right after you've hit "post."
Proof reading your own material is near impossible.

We understood your meaning though context, so it was not a problem.

44 posted on 09/05/2003 8:53:29 AM PDT by ASA Vet (1st Vietnam KIA: ASA Sp/4 James T. Davis)
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To: AppyPappy
I think China needs NK as a military buffer zone more than an ally to hold off capitalism. China itself is opening all border for capitalism and foreign investments. Why need a trouble maker like NK? I think NK's value to China is minimal.
45 posted on 09/05/2003 8:53:47 AM PDT by FreepForever (ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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To: FreepForever
They'd have to do something with the North soon afterwards.
46 posted on 09/05/2003 8:54:20 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (More Americans 18-49 Watch The Cartoon Network than CNN!!!)
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To: Jeff Head
bad cop (N. Korea), good cop (The PRC), all to achieve ends they may not have been able to without such a show.

In the financial arena Red China is portrayed as a bull market ready to explode faster than higher than anything we could possibly image, with America sucking the hind teat. Hey, the PRC is on our side, investors! [/huge sarcasm]

47 posted on 09/05/2003 9:24:08 AM PDT by Ff--150 (we have been fed with milk, not meat)
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To: FreepForever
I wonder if those anti-U.S. protesting South Korean students still want America to go away?

Or are they too stupid to know what real trouble they are in?

48 posted on 09/05/2003 9:29:49 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Hillary for dog catcher. I met her once, she is qualified to catch dogs.)
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To: FreepForever
Thank you very much for the translation. Could you please explain who publishes renminbao.com web site? It is one thing for the PRC to move troops. It is another to announce this fact in the press, is is not?
49 posted on 09/05/2003 9:44:33 AM PDT by Faraday
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To: FreepForever
I agree with your Post #33.
50 posted on 09/05/2003 10:15:14 AM PDT by ought-six
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