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Jihad in America: More bad news for the “Wahhabi lobby”
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | Friday, September 5, 2003 | Evan McCormick

Posted on 09/05/2003 5:11:41 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Jihad In America
By Evan McCormick
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 5, 2003


Federal agents are peeling away the layers of an extensive domestic terrorist support nexus, and some of America’s most politically active Muslim groups have been implicated in the process.  On August 22nd, President Bush designated five charities and six senior Hamas officials as Special Designated Global Terrorist Entities (SDGTs), freezing their assets and barring financial transactions with US nationals.  The move was in response to the August 19 suicide bombing that killed 21 Israelis, for which Hamas claimed responsibility.  As US Treasury Secretary John Snow said, “Hamas’ leaders and those who provide their funding again have the blood of innocents on their hands.”   

Musa Abu Marzook

Among the SDGTs named is Musa Abu Marzook, who currently serves as the Deputy Chief of Hamas’ Political Bureau in Syria.  Prior to working out of Syria, Marzook was responsible for establishing a major base of international financial and political support for Hamas—right here in the United States. 

In 1981, Marzook founded the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) in Richardson, Texas.  Throughout the decade, the organization featured Hamas terrorists and radical clerics as keynote speakers at its annual gatherings.  The 1989 convention in Kansas City was addressed by a veiled terrorist who recounted the sabotaging of a bus that killed 16 people in Israel.  One year later, at another IAP conference in Kansas City, leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas were featured guests.  FBI Counterterrorism chief Oliver Revell told The Washington Post on October 31, 1998 that, “IAP is a Hamas front…It’s controlled by Hamas, it brings Hamas leaders to the US, it does propaganda for Hamas.”  The IAP remains active today.

The IAP was intimately linked with another Richardson-based Hamas front, the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development.  On December 4, 2001, the Federal Government froze the assets of the HLF, with Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill stating, “The Holy Land Foundation masquerades as a charity, while its primary purpose is to fund Hamas.”  Tax records show that Marzook made a one time cash donation of $210,000 to the HLF in 1993.

One of the IAP’s most prominent spinoffs is the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).  A vehement critic of the Bush administration’s policies in the war on terror, CAIR was formed by two IAP officials, Omar Ahmad and Nihad Awad, the latter of whom has openly pledged his support for Hamas.  Ghassan Elashi, founder of the Texas branch of CAIR, also served as Chairman of the Holy Land Foundation.  Nonetheless, CAIR continues to speak on behalf of moderate Muslims in the US, and has been granted meetings with high-level administration officials.

Musa Abu Marzook was identified as a Hamas operative in 1995 and detained by authorities while the US mulled over an Israeli extradition request.  Although a U.S. District Court Judge ruled that Marzook should be extradited, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu dropped the request, fearing retaliatory attacks.  The US then deported Marzook to Jordan in 1997.  Hamas leaders kept in contact with Marzook during his detention through operative lawyer Stanley Cohen, who said after the 9/11 attacks that he would represent Osama bin Laden.  After arriving in Jordan it was not long before Marzook reassumed his leadership position in Syria.

Hamas officials were not the only ones looking out for Musa Abu Marzook while he was in US custody.  Muslims for a Better America, a self-described sister organization of the American Muslim Council joined with CAIR and the IAP to protest the court-ordered extradition.  In a press statement released by the Marzook Legal Fund, the groups lamented, “the concern that our judicial system has been kidnapped by Israeli interests.”

President Bush’s designation of Marzook as a global terrorist leaves no doubt that American Muslim groups like IAP and CAIR that he helped to create are fundamentally based on extremist ideologies and form an integral part of an international terrorist support network.  It should be no surprise that these groups routinely defend those who commit such egregious acts and attack the policies that are designed to prevent them.

Soliman Biheiri

The investigation into Marzook’s financial activities in the United States has cast light on another individual intimate with links to terrorist entities and “mainstream” American Muslim groups alike.  Soliman S. Biheiri is the founder of BMI, Inc., a now-defunct Islamic Investment firm under federal investigation for ties to designated terrorist entities.  Earlier this month, Biheiri was indicted on immigration charges that he provided false information for his residency application.  One terrorist entity with links to Biheiri is Musa Abu Marzook, an investor in BMI. 

BMI’s chief investor was Yasin Qadi, named an SDGT in October 2001 for his financial support of Hamas and al-Qaeda.  The designation was primarily the result of Qadi’s relationship with Mohammad Salah, who plead guilty to being a Hamas operative in Israel in 1995.  Salah was employed at the Quranic Literary Institute in suburban Illinois in 1991 when Qadi transferred $820,000 to the group.  The money was then invested in real estate, and the profits were directed to Salah.  Although Qadi has maintained his innocence, the Wall Street Journal reported in November 2002 that bank records show a direct transaction of $27,000 from Qadi to Salah in March of 1992.

BMI also accepted substantial funding from Sana-Bell, Inc., a US charity founded by the Saudi-based International Islamic Relief Organization.  Corporate documents list Yaqub Mirza as a registered agent of Sana-Bell.  Mirza, whose Virginia offices were raided by Federal agents in March of 2002, is suspected of being a key financier of Palestinian Islamic Jihad and al-Qaeda, funneling money through several of his investment firms including Sterling Management, the SAAR foundation, and SAFA trust.

Soliman Biheiri was a founding member of Ptech, a Boston-based computer software firm raided by US customs officials in December, 2002.  That investigation was launched after Ptech associates expressed concern that the company was tied to terrorist funding.  Yasin Qadi and Biheiri’s BMI, Inc. were two primary financiers of Ptech.  Moreover, the company’s chief scientist and board member, Hussein Ibrahim, came to the company from BMI.

Biheiri is a member of the Advisory Board of the American Muslim Council.  That’s bad news for the Bush administration, since Presidential political strategist Karl Rove has gone to great lengths to pander to terrorist-support groups like the AMC.  Since September 11th, the American Muslim council has been afforded meetings with top administration officials including President Bush, Karl Rove and FBI Director Robert Mueller.  In June, 2002, the FBI Director’s spokesman Bill Carter stated that the FBI considers the AMC to be, “the most mainstream Muslim group in the United States.”

Despite gaining high-level political access, the AMC has done nothing to curb its extremist rhetoric.  AMC founder Abdurahman Alamoudi has pronounced his support for Hamas and Hezbolla, and Executive Director Eric Vickers stated in a June 27, 2002 “Hardball with Chris Matthews” appearance on MSNBC that al-Qaeda was, “involved in a resistance movement.”

The AMC, along with other “mainstream” groups like CAIR, have gone to great lengths to oppose government initiatives in the war on terror.  As investigations into individuals like Soliman Biheiri become public, it becomes increasingly apparent that these groups are not fighting a noble, disinterested battle to protect ordinary Muslim Americans, but instead struggling to keep their own illicit connections with terrorists concealed. 

Randall Todd Royer

On Monday August 25th, three Northern Virginia men pleaded guilty to conspiracy and gun charges for their role in plotting to join the designated terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Taiba.  Yong Ki Kwon, Khwaja Mahmood Hasan, and Donald T. Surratt are three members of an eleven-member terrorist network that attended overseas terrorist training camps in Pakistan and trained for jihad on paintball courses in Virginia.

The other eight men have all entered pleas of not guilty, including Randall Todd “Ismail” Royer who served as the ringleader of the group, arranging sponsorship for several of the men to travel abroad as he had done before.  Royer has been candid about his role in aiding Bosnian Muslim forces during the 1990’s and contributing to Lashkar-e-Taiba’s terrorist campaign to retake the Kashmir region from India.  

When he wasn’t abroad aiding Jihadists, Royer was employed at the AMC, CAIR, and the Muslim American Society.  Though his former employers have remained unusually silent-- usually they howl in protest when the Feds arrest terror suspects-- Royer sought legal defense not from a professional defense lawyer, but from Hamas lawyer Stanley Cohen.

When the man who once said he would defend Osama bin Laden is defending a former AMC and CAIR employee; when an AMC board member is under federal investigation for his company’s illicit ties to terrorists; when founding members of American Muslim organizations become designated terrorists, we must ask ourselves how much longer we can continue to believe the claim that such groups represent the interests of America’s moderate Muslims, and whether the Bush administration should continue to give them a political avenue to further their dangerous agenda.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cair; jihadinamerica; paintball; randallroyer; vajihadnetwork; wahhabilobby
Friday, September 5, 2003

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1 posted on 09/05/2003 5:11:41 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
2 posted on 09/05/2003 5:30:23 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: JohnHuang2
Republicans never miss an opportunity to bash Muslims ;)
3 posted on 09/05/2003 5:31:51 AM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: Guillermo
Bob Mulholland, et tu?
j/k
;-)
4 posted on 09/05/2003 5:35:13 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
I knew somebody would pick up on that...

It's been that way for a while. Any GOP'er who opposes a policy espoused by a (liberal) 'minority' politician, or opposes the election of a (liberal) 'minority' is an intolerant, xenophobic racist.
5 posted on 09/05/2003 5:38:11 AM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: Guillermo
...who opposes a policy espoused by a (liberal) 'minority' politician, or opposes the election of a (liberal) 'minority' is an intolerant, xenophobic racist.

If libs had their own dictionary, that would surely be their definition of a conservative.

6 posted on 09/05/2003 5:43:15 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Check out this frightful antithesis to FPM (it’s the most advanced Islamic spinning website I have ever come across)……………………. http://www.salaam.co.uk/index.php
8 posted on 09/05/2003 6:02:42 AM PDT by Helms ("I Want My MTV" (More Televised Vulgarity))
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To: Guillermo; JohnHuang2; Imagine; Helms
FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Radical Islam's 'plan'
to take over America

Arab-American author outlines secret
20-year strategy to undermine country


Posted: August 4, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin is an online, subscription intelligence news service from the creator of WorldNetDaily.com – a journalist who has been developing sources around the world for the last 25 years.


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam's 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020 – a plan revealed in the latest issue of Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Anis Shorrosh, author of ''Islam Revealed'' and ''The True Furqan,'' is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.

''The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,'' Shorrosh says. ''Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?''

1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ''Abed.''

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corporations or a controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell ''foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran'' anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America's high schools – free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ''Centers for Islamic studies'' with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America's sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America's justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America's campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

Shorrosh is a member of the Oxford Society of Scholars, has traveled in 76 countries, and is a lecturer and producer of TV documentaries. ''Islam Revealed'' is a bestseller now in its eighth printing. His forthcoming 10th book, from which the 20-point plan is abridged, is titled ''Islam: A Threat or a Challenge.''

''The True Furqan'' is also available for viewing on Islam-Exposed.org. Shorrosh's new website is Focusing-on-Islam.com.

9 posted on 09/05/2003 6:31:34 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: Imagine
Unfortunately, your suggestions will only be implemented once the American body count hits 500,000.

In the mean time, just hope and pray that none of your loved ones are in the body count.
10 posted on 09/05/2003 6:33:37 AM PDT by HadEnough
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To: Happy2BMe
Hope you will visit this thread I just started..........................................http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/976526/posts
11 posted on 09/05/2003 6:47:43 AM PDT by Helms ("I Want My MTV" (More Televised Vulgarity))
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To: Imagine
Well that's got to be the STUPIDEST (not to mention unconstitutional) thing I seen today.
Wat to go, nothing like playing right into bin ladens hand.
12 posted on 09/05/2003 7:37:25 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Valin
What's stupid about my Action Plan? It seems most logical under the circumstances.
13 posted on 09/05/2003 1:59:23 PM PDT by Imagine ( A)
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To: Imagine
2) move, via bus and/or train all US dwelling Muslims (immigrant or American Born Muslims ABM) to said ports;
Amendment 1 "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Besides weather you like it or not American Born Muslims are citizens, and (unless I'm mistaken) cannot be deported.

3) Load all muslims onto ships, send forthwith to any middle east muslim country;
You're making a huge and unwarranted assumtion.

4) Bulldoze all mosques and islamic schools in US;
Ah there's that pesky 1st amendment thing again. Why in the world the Founding Fathers put that in I don't know. After all we should ALL worshop the same.

5) Concurrently, close borders with military;
Any comprehension of the size of the military that would take? Besides defence dosen't win wars..offense does.

It seems most logical under the circumstances.
Men are apt to mistake the strength of their feeling for the strength of their argument. The heated mind resents the chill touch and relentless scrutiny of logic.
William Ewart Gladstone

14 posted on 09/05/2003 8:23:24 PM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Guillermo; JohnHuang2
>>Any GOP'er who opposes a policy espoused by a (liberal) 'minority' politician, or opposes the election of a (liberal) 'minority' is an intolerant, xenophobic racist.

You guys may get a kick out of this. Lib on a neutral board I'm on posts the first mention (there) about the Estrada withdrawl. I post "A triumph by racist Democrats".

People went berzerk for 4-5 posts. Then I posted that they knew in their hearts that if the shoe were on the other foot, they'd be screaming about racist Republicans.

This created a total s#!+&storm, with denials, accusations of playing the race card against me, etc. It was hilarious, and my conservative buddies were giving me e-high-fives.

Amazing how these people don't even see how they themselves actually operate day in and day out.
16 posted on 09/05/2003 9:37:23 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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>> In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ''Abed.''

Can anyone confirm this? Very interesting if so.

17 posted on 09/05/2003 9:42:29 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: Valin
One last point: You predicate your entire argument on the notion that iSLAM is a religion. It is not. It is a cult of hate that will either convert or kill the infidels. Infidel being defined as anyone not a muslim. So, as far as I'm concerned, religious protection doesn't apply in the case of muslims in America and we should treat iSLAM as simply a virilent combination of killers, future killers and dangerous virus. My cockroach metaphor should beg the solution. Get the Raid.

How's this for my first post on Saturday morning?
18 posted on 09/06/2003 5:45:29 AM PDT by Imagine ( A)
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To: Imagine
You predicate your entire argument on the notion that iSLAM is a religion. It is not. It is a cult of hate that will either convert or kill the infidels. Infidel being defined as anyone not a muslim.

You might want to take a look at Moorish Spain, and the Ottomen empire before you take out your broad-brush.

19 posted on 09/06/2003 5:55:48 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Sometimes life is good! :-)
20 posted on 09/06/2003 6:01:05 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Imagine
Dear God, let it be so!!!
21 posted on 09/06/2003 6:01:41 AM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: Valin
Didn't the Ottomans take/steal Christian children and make them into zealot Islamic warriors? And your using them as an example of Islamic tolerance of other religions?
22 posted on 09/06/2003 6:17:07 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: FreedomPoster
True they did, the Janissaries.(see below) But they also afforded non-Muslims status under law, something that non-Christians didn't really have in Europe at the time. They also had Christian in high positions in there empire, and as ambassadors to European courts.


Janissaries

Turkish: yeniçeri

The standing Ottoman army, first organized by bey (also erroneously called sultan) Murad 1 in the late 14th century, lasting until 1826, altogether about 450 years.
The term in Turkish, yeniçeri means new troops, indicating exactly what they were in the beginning: An alternative to the old regular army.
The Janissaries became famous for their military skills, but also because they were staffed by youths conscripted from Christian families in the Balkans. After the conscription they were defined as the property of the sultan, and practically all of them converted to Islam.
The Janissaries were subject to strict rules, limiting their freedom and demanding higher moral standards than usual in the society. In the first couple of centuries, they were forced to celibacy, but this would later change. The janissaries were not allowed to grow beard, which was the sign of a free man.
The need for the bey/sultan to form the Janissary corps, came from the fragility of an army put together by free men from many different tribes from areas often wide apart. Their allegiance were normally to their own tribal leaders, leaders that often were tempted to oppose the power of the sultan, and to find allies among the main enemies of the Ottoman empire.
At first the Janissaries were put together of war prisoners. But from 1420's young men were taken from their homes at an early age, and contact with their old communities were cut. This system was called devsirme. They were even denied contact with the normal society in the areas were they were stationed. Through their training, they were learned to put their allegiance to the bey/sultan. At least so was the intention. And despite strict rules, they enjoyed high living standards and a social status which intended to give logic and force to their loyalty.
But over time, the Janissaries were so successful that they grew into one of the strongest power institutions in the empire. They could exercise this strength to influence the policy and to defend their own interests. From the 17th century and on, they staged many palace coups to exercise this power. But this would eventually be the main reason for their downfall — their strength made them dangerous to the sultan, and when the final battle over power came, the Janissaries lost, and all troops were killed or banished.
Other reasons for the sultan to want to remove the Janissaries were that they had grown into a large number, up from 20,000 in 1574 to 135,000 in their last year of 1826. This was expensive, and in addition the Janissaries had found their own (unacceptable) way of financing their military activities as well as their high living standard: they performed various trades and were more an more in contact with the society. They were truly a state in the state.
HISTORY
1380's: Bey Murad 1 forms the first devsirme system, from which the Janissary army could be formed.
15th century: The Janissaries grow into becoming a powerful political force within the Ottoman state.
16th century: It has become standard for Janissary troops to marry, and they even manage to get the privilege that their sons should be allowed to enter their army, even if these were born Muslims.
17th century: More and more, the Janissary troops engage in palace coups. This would continue right onto their end.
1648: Janissary troops discharge and kills sultan Ibrahim 1.
17th century: The traditional devsirme system of conscription is abandoned, and they had many free men applying, among them many from Muslim families too.
1820's: The Janissaries fails to crush the Greek fight for independence. By this, they proved that they were no longer the near-infallible army as they had been before.
1826 June: The Janissary corps finds out that the sultan is forming new European-style armies, and revolts. Sultan Murad 2 declares war on them, and it ends with cannons shooting at the Janissary barracks, killing most of the troops. Many of the survivors were executed, others were banished.

http://i-cias.com/e.o/index.htm
23 posted on 09/06/2003 6:28:10 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Guillermo
Republicans never miss an opportunity to bash Muslims ;)

And muslims never miss an opportunity to bash themselves.

If Dubya does his "let's invite sandmaggots to the White House" bit again, he better start working on his resume.

24 posted on 09/06/2003 6:33:59 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Valin
I stopped reading after the first paragraph.

If you believe that Islam is a religion, based on what they do, not on what they say, there's no hope for you.

1400 years of murder and mayhem are not enough proof for you?

25 posted on 09/06/2003 6:37:26 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Valin
You might want to take a look at Moorish Spain, and the Ottomen empire before you take out your broad-brush.

Moorish Spain is not muslim, last time I looked, and hasn't been for 500 years, made better by the Spaniards themselves.
As for the Ottoman empire, I can't find it, and judging from what's left of it, its true nature can best be judge by the miserable remnants of it.

And your point is?

26 posted on 09/06/2003 6:42:39 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Valin
True they did, the Janissaries.(see below) But they also afforded non-Muslims status under law, something that non-Christians didn't really have in Europe at the time.

This old canard again?

Comparing the sandmaggots of today with Christian Europe of the 13th century?

Come up with a more convincing comparison will you?

27 posted on 09/06/2003 6:45:04 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Publius6961
Muslim Spain and European Culture
©1995-2000 Dean Derhak

When you think of European culture, one of the first things that may come to your mind is the renaissance. Many of the roots of European culture can be traced back to that glorious time of art, science, commerce and architecture. But did you know that long before the renaissance there was a place of humanistic beauty in Muslim Spain? Not only was it artistic, scientific and commercial, but it also exhibited incredible tolerance, imagination and poetry. Moors, as the Spaniards call the Muslims, populated Spain for nearly 700 years. As you'll see, it was their civilization that enlightened Europe and brought it out of the dark ages to usher in the renaissance. Many of their cultural and intellectual influences still live with us today.

Way back during the eighth century, Europe was still knee-deep in the Medieval period. That's not the only thing they were knee-deep in. In his book, "The Day The Universe Changed," the historian James Burke describes how the typical European townspeople lived:

"The inhabitants threw all their refuse into the drains in the center of the narrow streets. The stench must have been overwhelming, though it appears to have gone virtually unnoticed. Mixed with excrement and urine would be the soiled reeds and straw used to cover the dirt floors. (p. 32)




This squalid society was organized under a feudal system and had little that would resemble a commercial economy. Along with other restrictions, the Catholic Church forbade the lending of money - which didn't help get things booming much. "Anti-Semitism, previously rare, began to increase. Money lending, which was forbidden by the Church, was permitted under Jewish law." (Burke, 1985, p. 32) Jews worked to develop a currency although they were heavily persecuted for it. Medieval Europe was a miserable lot, which ran high in illiteracy, superstition, barbarism and filth.

During this same time, Arabs entered Europe from the South. ABD AL-RAHMAN I, a survivor of a family of caliphs of the Arab empire, reached Spain in the mid-700's. He became the first Caliph of Al-Andalus, the Moorish part of Spain, which occupied most of the Iberian Peninsula. He also set up the UMAYYAD Dynasty that ruled Al-Andalus for over three-hundred years. (Grolier, History of Spain). Al Andalus means, "the land of the vandals," from which comes the modern name Andalusia.





At first, the land resembled the rest of Europe in all its squalor. But within two-hundred years the Moors had turned Al-Andalus into a bastion of culture, commerce and beauty. "Irrigation systems imported from Syria and Arabia turned the dry plains... into an agricultural cornucopia. Olives and wheat had always grown there. The Arabs added pomegranates, oranges, lemons, aubergines, artichokes, cumin, coriander, bananas, almonds, pams, henna, woad, madder, saffron, sugar-cane, cotton, rice, figs, grapes, peaches, apricots and rice." (Burke, 1985, p. 37)

By the beginning of the ninth century, Moorish Spain was the gem of Europe with its capital city, Cordova. With the establishment of Abdurrahman III - "the great caliphate of Cordova" - came the golden age of Al-Andalus. Cordova, in southern Spain, was the intellectual center of Europe.

At a time when London was a tiny mud-hut village that "could not boast of a single streetlamp" (Digest, 1973, p. 622), in Cordova "there were half a million inhabitants, living in 113,000 houses. There were 700 mosques and 300 public baths spread throughout the city and its twenty-one suburbs. The streets were paved and lit." (Burke, 1985, p. 38) The houses had marble balconies for summer and hot-air ducts under the mosaic floors for the winter. They were adorned with gardens with artificial fountains and orchards". (Digest, 1973, p. 622) "Paper, a material still unknown to the west, was everywhere. There were bookshops and more than seventy libraries." (Burke, 1985, p. 38).






In his book titled, "Spain In The Modern World," James Cleuge explains the significance of Cordova in Medieval Europe:

"For there was nothing like it, at that epoch, in the rest of Europe. The best minds in that continent looked to Spain for everything which most clearly differentiates a human being from a tiger." (Cleugh, 1953, p. 70)

During the end of the first millennium, Cordova was the intellectual well from which European humanity came to drink. Students from France and England traveled there to sit at the feet of Muslim, Christian and Jewish scholars, to learn philosophy, science and medicine (Digest, 1973, p. 622). In the great library of Cordova alone, there were some 600,000 manuscripts (Burke, 1978, p. 122).

This rich and sophisticated society took a tolerant view towards other faiths. Tolerance was unheard of in the rest of Europe. But in Moorish Spain, "thousands of Jews and Christians lived in peace and harmony with their Muslim overlords." (Burke, 1985, p. 38) The society had a literary rather than religious base. Economically their prosperity was unparalleled for centuries. The aristocracy promoted private land ownership and encouraged Jews in banking. There was little or no Muslim prostelyting. Instead, non-believers simply paid an extra tax!

"Their society had become too sophisticated to be fanatical. Christians and Moslems, with Jews as their intermediaries and interpreters, lived side by side and fought, not each other, but other mixed communities." (Cleugh, 1953, p. 71)




Unfortunately, this period of intellectual and economic prosperity began to decline. Shifting away from the rule of law, there began to be internal rifts in the Arab power structure. The Moorish harmony began to break up into warring factions. Finally, the caliphs were eliminated and Cordova fell to other Arab forces. "In 1013 the great library in Cordova was destroyed. True to their Islamic traditions however, the new rulers permitted the books to be dispersed, together with the Cordovan scholars to the capital towns of small emirates." (Burke, 1985, p. 40) The intellectual properties of the once great Al-Andalus were divided among small towns.

As the Moors built mini-alliances and fought amongst themselves, the Christians to the North were doing just the opposite. In Northern Spain the various Christian kingdoms united to expel the Moors from the European continent. (Grolier, History of Spain) This set the stage for the final act of the Medieval period.

In another of James Burke's works titled "Connections," he describes how the Moors thawed out Europe from the Dark Ages. "But the event that must have done more for the intellectual and scientific revival of Europe was the fall of Toledo in Spain to the Christians, in 1105." In Toledo the Arabs had huge libraries containing the lost (to Christian Europe) works of the Greeks and Romans along with Arab philosophy and mathematics. "The Spanish libraries were opened, revealing a store of classics and Arab works that staggered Christian Europeans." (Burke, 1978, p. 123)




The intellectual plunder of Toledo brought the scholars of northern Europe like moths to a candle. The Christians set up a giant translating program in Toledo. Using the Jews as interpreters, they translated the Arabic books into Latin. These books included "most of the major works of Greek science and philosophy... along with many original Arab works of scholarship." (Digest, p. 622) "The intellectual community which the northern scholars found in Spain was so far superior to what they had at home that it left a lasting jealousy of Arab culture, which was to color Western opinions for centuries" (Burke, 1985, p. 41)

"The subjects covered by the texts included medicine, astrology, astronomy pharmacology, psychology, physiology, zoology, biology, botany, mineralogy, optics, chemistry, physics, mathematics, algebra, geometry, trigonometry, music, meteorology, geography, mechanics, hydrostatics, navigation and history." (Burke, 1985, p. 42) These works alone however, didn't kindle the fire that would lead to the renaissance. They added to Europe's knowledge, but much of it was unappreciated without a change in the way Europeans viewed the world.





Remember, Medieval Europe was superstitious and irrational. "What caused the intellectual bombshell to explode, however, was the philosophy that came with (the books). This included Aristotle's system of nature and the logic of argument." (Burke, 1985, p. 42) Found among the works were even Arab philosophers' commentaries of Aristotle's views. This "shocked the West by giving religion and philosophy equal status as systems for explaining the cosmos." (Burke, 1985, p. 42) This questioning and the use of logic revolutionized the definition of truth and sparked the renaissance.

Christians continued to re-conquer Spain, leaving a wake of death and destruction in their path. The books were spared, but Moor culture was destroyed and their civilization disintegrated. Ironically, it wasn't just the strength of the Christians that defeated the Arabs but the disharmony among the Moor's own ranks. Like Greece and Rome that proceeded them, the Moors of Al-Andalus fell into moral decay and wandered from the intellect that had made them great.

The translations continued as each Moorish haven fell to the Christians. In 1492, the same year Columbus discovered the New World, Granada, the last Muslim enclave, was taken. Captors of the knowledge were not keepers of its wisdom. Sadly, all Jews and Muslims that would not abandon their beliefs were either killed or exiled (Grolier, History of Spain). Thus ended an epoch of tolerance and all that would remain of the Moors would be their books.




It's fascinating to realize just how much Europe learned from the Moorish texts and even greater to see how much that knowledge has endured. Because of the flood of knowledge, the first Universities started to appear. College and University degrees were developed (Burke, 1985, p. 48). Directly from the Arabs came the numerals we use today. Even the concept of Zero (an Arabic word) came from the translations (Castillo & Bond, 1987, p. 27) . Along with texts, Arabic music spread throughout Europe, giving us the keyboard, the flute and the concept of harmony. It's also fair to say that renaissance architectural concepts came from the Moorish libraries. Mathematics and architecture explained in the Arab texts along with Arab works on optics led to the perspective paintings of the renaissance period (Burke, 1985 p. 72). The first lawyers began their craft using the new translated knowledge as their guide. Even the food utensils we use today come from the Cordova kitchen! (Burke, 1985 p. 44) All of these examples show just some of the ways Europe transformed from the Moors.

Much of what we are today can find it's roots in the once great Moorish culture of Spain
http://www.xmission.com:8000/~dderhak/index/moors.htm
28 posted on 09/06/2003 7:06:04 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Publius6961; Valin; FreedomPoster; Happy2BMe; Guillermo; JohnHuang2; Imagine
Samuel P. Huntington is almost certainly correct that the next several years will see a clash between Western Civilization and Islamic Civilization, but the result of this encounter is foreordained, if not the particulars of how we'll arrive at the conclusion. There are really only two alternatives : either Islam will reform itself and become more like the West on its own--including, most importantly, separating church and state and accepting greater economic inequalities as the price to be paid for greater growth in general--or Islam will be devastated in war and will be rebuilt, even if against its will, along Western lines, as happened in Japan after WWII. It just is not possible to envision a scenario in which Islam succeeds in defeating the West. If, God forbid, the West ever really had its back to the wall it would undoubtedly unleash a thermonuclear, biological and/or chemical holocaust in the Middle East (and probably Indonesia) which would essentially annihilate Islam. As Victor Davis Hanson has written in his terrific book Carnage and Culture, the single factor that has been most significant in the repeated victory of the West in global conflicts has been the ruthlessness and finality with which it prosecutes war. The West has been more willing than other civilizations to utterly destroy enemies. There is no reason to believe that it would not do so again……………………..http://www.brothersjudd.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/reviews.detail/book_id/342/The%20Clash%20of%20Civilizations%20and%20the%20Remaking%20of%20World%20Order.htm
29 posted on 09/06/2003 7:44:44 AM PDT by Helms ("I Want My MTV" (More Televised Vulgarity))
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To: Valin
Your so called "broad brush" is not very broad at all. It specifically refers to the hate cult "islam" -- nothing more, nothing less. If you are a muslim, get on the boat.
31 posted on 09/06/2003 9:22:00 AM PDT by Imagine ( A)
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To: Helms
Fine.
32 posted on 09/06/2003 9:23:41 AM PDT by Imagine ( A)
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To: Imagine
Condeming 3+ Billion people I'd call that a pretty broad brush.
"Anybody can become angry, that is easy; but to be angry with the right person, and to the right degree, and at the right time, and for the right purpose, and in the right way, that is not within everybody's power, that is not easy."
Aristotle:


33 posted on 09/06/2003 10:25:42 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Rolex_GMT_Master
Radical Islam's 'plan' to take over America.
A couple of points
The author is talking about RADICAL islam (a political movement masquerading as a religion)
For more please see
The Evil Isn't Islam
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
July 30, 2002
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/437

Arab-American author outlines secret
20-year strategy to undermine country

Not very good at keeping secrets as as some of us have been reading about this for some time now.


In reading this I don't see a name of an org., or group, so it begs the question who has outlined this "secret plan".
As I'm sure you are aware Islam is divied into many different sect and groups, an inside each of the major sects there are serious divisions. We can see an example of this today in Iraq with the Shites, One Mullah is crying "death to America" and two blocks over you have another working closely with the Americans/British.

Yes we do have a problem with RADICAL Muslims in America.
Someone who has been warning us about this for years is Sheikh Hisham Kabbani
(snip)
“Some of you Muslims in this country don’t like each other. I am saddened by the de facto boycott of the Islamic Supreme Council of America,” Ambassador Seiple said. “There ought to be a better way [of solving your differences].”

While non-Muslims in the audience were for the most part in the dark as to what Ambassador Seiple was referring to in his remarks, they stunned many Muslims in the room.

The controversy centers around Sheikh Hisham Kabbani, a Lebanon-born religious leader who has been in the U.S. for the past nine years championing his international Naqshbandi order of Sufism. The Los Angeles Times published a lengthy profile on Kabbani on April 15 stating he has converted hundreds of inner city African Americans to his fold. Other reported supporters include his uncle, the grand mufti of Lebanon, the president of Chechnya, the Sultan of Brunei (one of the wealthiest men in the world), and O.J. Simpson.

To all appearances, the 54-year-old Sheikh Kabbani sees himself as the catalyst for making his brand of Islam the dominant Muslim force in the U.S. However, most American Muslim organizations see dangerous divisiveness in his message. Kabbani gained the enmity of nearly every Muslim group in the U.S. on Jan. 7 when he delivered a speech to a State Department open forum.

In essence, the white-bearded Sufi charged that the “ideology of extremism has been spread to 80 percent of the [American] Muslim population.” He claimed the foremost Muslim student organization was directed by extremists and hinted that alleged terrorist Osama bin Laden was buying nuclear devices from the Russian mafia which could then fall into the hands of radical Muslim students in the U.S.

As soon as the Kabbani speech reached the media, Muslim groups reacted angrily, stating the Kabbani opinions voiced to the U.S. government’s foreign policymaking agency placed American Muslims under suspicion as a danger to the greater society.

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0799/9907021.html

36 posted on 09/06/2003 1:36:15 PM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Valin
Oh stop with the brilliant quotes, they don't become you.... Pulleeze.......

Until muslims start to stand up and voice condemnation against those in their religion who advocate or tolerate this type of violence, I will continue to lump them all together as a cult of hate. Or they can abandon their so-called "religion" and join a real religion. The choice is theirs, not mine.
38 posted on 09/07/2003 10:45:03 AM PDT by Imagine ( A)
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To: Imagine
Until muslims start to stand up and voice condemnation against those in their religion who advocate or tolerate this type of violence, I will continue to lump them all together as a cult of hate.

Scholars of Islam & the Tragedy of Sept. 11
http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm
(Note) I would take some of these statements with a grain of salt, IE CAIR.

A Memo to American Muslims

M. A. Muqtedar Khan
http://www.ijtihad.org/memo.htm

Terrorist Threat in America: Extremist Wave Threatens to Engulf Muslim Americans
A Statement by the Islamic Supreme Council of America

This is the second of a series of articles introduced by the Islamic Supreme Council of America in The Muslim Magazine designed to inform Americans that Muslims are peaceful people who condemn terrorism with all its elements and affiliations.
http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/bin/site/wrappers/default.asp?pane_2=content-extremism_inamerica_spring99


As for the "brilliant quote", These are words that you should think on in regard to the war on terror.
39 posted on 09/07/2003 7:58:17 PM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: JohnHuang2
bump
40 posted on 09/07/2003 8:02:15 PM PDT by dalebert
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