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To: Helms
Again the leftist con game of the backwardness of "Europe."
by focusing on northern Europe they totaly disregard Byzantium - the seat of European knowledge of the day. The Hellenic input into the middle ages was a direct result of greek scholars being force out of the east by the rising Turks - not some sort of "transfer" from the Arab but rather a migration from the old eastern empire. It was Greek and Latin that they were translating, not Arabian.

Also, the apogee of "intellectual culture" in the Isalmic world came during the Ottoman period. Many of the the key groups in the Sultans' governments were eastern Europeans taken in childhood from Eastern Europe. Also, the few innovations from islam come mostly from the Farsi world with its rich mixture of pre-islamic cultures.

This myth of parity in intellectual and cultural contributions bewteen the West and Isalm is a myth of liberal elites in both worlds.

I cannot understand why no oone ever publically debunks this outright lie.
4 posted on 09/05/2003 6:50:51 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: CasearianDaoist
Again the leftist con game of the backwardness of "Europe." by focusing on northern Europe they totaly disregard Byzantium - the seat of European knowledge of the day.

The Muslims prefer to ignore Byzantium. They also make grand claims to "Arabic numbers" and Algebra -- when those are INDIAN developments that the Muslims absorbed when they conquered India. The Muslims were pretty good about writing down the discoveries of others and preserving that knowledge, but not so good at actually originating anything

The Muslim civilization went downhill when they stopped expanding -- and thus halted the influx of loot and slaves experienced in running civilizations that propped them up

20 posted on 09/05/2003 8:13:57 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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