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Hasids Wage Holy War
NY Post ^ | 9.7.2003 | JOANNE WALTERS, AL GUART and ADAM MILLER

Posted on 09/07/2003 4:20:37 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:16:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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21 posted on 09/07/2003 1:41:56 PM PDT by Kakaze
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To: ml/nj
Oooooh. To anti-Semitic types like you this is equvivalent to smashing thousand year old idols, blowing up discoteques, and flying airplanes into tall buildings.

Actually, my dad grew up with them and agrees with the person who likened them to the Taliban. In fact, he made the same observation nearly 2 years ago. Something about how if they had the organization and the violent streak, they'd be the same as the Taliban.

He told me about how they used to harass any Jews who didn't strictly practice Judaism as they see fit -- including the time they purposely blocked my grandfather's car into his garage in order to try to prevent him from driving on Succos. My grandfather was a cop and told them that he had to get his car out in order to get to work, and that if they wanted to build a Succah over the garage, to let him know so that he could move his car. Of course, they built it without letting him know, so he made them dismantle it by threatening to have the only car in Brooklyn with a Succah on it.

23 posted on 09/07/2003 6:45:03 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Clinton Legacy = 16-acre hole in the ground in lower Manhattan)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
A reinforcement of American values. People who are armed seldom get hassled.
24 posted on 09/07/2003 6:53:58 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (In other news: Cruz Bustamante will neither confirm nor deny that he's a racist.)
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To: Alouette
You never miss an opportunity to attack religious Jews. What specific personal experience have you had that makes you so bitter and hateful?

My family had years of personal experience, after these Satmars moved into their neighborhood.

Oh, and one thing you should know before defending them too much is that they're are virulently anti-Israel -- so much so that they've actually appeared at pro-pali rallies, like one anti-US/anti-war/anti-Israel/free mumia rally that was on C-SPAN last year, and they actually appeared at that rally and posed for pictures with islamofascists on a Saturday.

25 posted on 09/07/2003 6:55:19 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Clinton Legacy = 16-acre hole in the ground in lower Manhattan)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
they're are virulently anti-Israel -- so much so that they've actually appeared at pro-pali rallies

You're refrerring to the Neturei Karta, a fringe group of freaks. Satmars and other Orthodox groups have condemned them.

26 posted on 09/07/2003 7:03:54 PM PDT by Alouette (The bombing begins in five minutes.)
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To: Alouette
The Satmars *are* very anti-Israel -- they don't believe that Israel should exist until the Messiah comes back and says it's OK. My dad grew up with them, in this very neighborhood, and always knew this about them being anti-Israel.
27 posted on 09/07/2003 7:10:37 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Clinton Legacy = 16-acre hole in the ground in lower Manhattan)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
The Satmars *are* very anti-Israel

"It is with shame, sadness and outrage that we publicly condemn the irresponsible and dangerous actions of a small group of individuals [known generally as Neturei Karta] who have taken upon themselves to endanger the interests of the Jewish Nation, and especially our brethren in Zion, by their reprehensible actions in joining the enemies of our people at the rally held last Saturday in Washington." So begins a statement issued last week by an umbrella organization of mostly-hareidi groups in condemnation of several hareidi-appearing individuals who recently demonstrated together with Arabs against Israel.

The umbrella group, comprised of Satmar, Bobov, Belz, Vizhnitz, Munkacz, Kiryas Joel, Monroe, and other communities - many of them openly and sharply critical of Zionism - termed the PLO sympathizers "evil associates of our enemies." The statement continued,

"...their depiction in the local and international media in religious garb and prayer shawls marching arm-in-arm with Palestinian Jew-haters has besmirched the reputations of hundreds of thousands of decent Orthodox, hareidi and Hassidic Jews worldwide. Unfortunately this despicable minuscule group, who were ejected decades ago from our synagogues and communities for similar activities, do not accept or listen to the rulings of the leaders of our communities... They should under no circumstances, Heaven forbid, be associated with any recognized hareidi or Hassidic community... We hope and pray that these individuals will speedily realize the enormous damage they have caused to our communities and to the Jewish people at large with their evil undertakings, creating a major desecration of G-d's name on such a massive and unprecedented scale and repent for this terrible sin. Until that time they will continue to be unwelcome amongst Torah-observant Jews - who faithfully follow the teachings of their Rabbis - in all aspects of the private and communal lives."

Do you think the haredi ZAKA organization is anti-Israel?

28 posted on 09/07/2003 7:28:19 PM PDT by Alouette (The bombing begins in five minutes.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
And I thought the Moozlims were insane!

Actually, the Hayseeds are some of the finest people on the planet,but don't mess with their furry hats come Saturday

29 posted on 09/07/2003 7:31:10 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Vote McNader and Bustamante wins)
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To: Alouette
I have no idea who that group is or for what they stand, but I trust my father's word on the Satmars being anti-Israel. He grew up with them and saw and heard them foaming at the mouth and freaking out over the establishment of Israel as a nation.
30 posted on 09/07/2003 7:37:37 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Clinton Legacy = 16-acre hole in the ground in lower Manhattan)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
That bunch has no sense of proportion. Their militant tribal battling on the Sabbath in pious turf wars is somehow tolerated, yet they refuse to serve in the uniform of the US or Israel. I see little difference between thier willingness to kick, bite and claw their way into heaven and the religious fanaticism we are fighting in Afghanistan. God help us all if they were ever the religious majority here. I suspect that actual re-enactments of the Passion would become common place and the trailer to Mel Gibson's movie would be the "film at 11:00" lead for the nightly news.
31 posted on 09/07/2003 7:44:08 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: NYC GOP Chick; Alouette
they don't believe that Israel should exist until the Messiah comes back and says it's OK.

Satmars need to get over it. The Messiah for some came 2000 years ago, the Messiah for others came 1500 years ago, for others, their Messiah has never come. Nevertheless, the great nation of Israel is the ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

Deal with it.

32 posted on 09/07/2003 7:45:49 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (In other news: Cruz Bustamante will neither confirm nor deny that he's a racist.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick; Alouette
The Satmar have only been a minor fringe group in the Hassidic movement. Whatever your personal experience, it is hardly the norm amongst Hassidic or any other Jews.

Jews have had baseless hatred to thank for 2,000 years of exile. There have been numerous fratricidal battles between Jews over the years. The Hassidic movement was attacked by the religious who hated them. The secular who attacked the religious and those who simply wanted power to elevate themselves over others.

Whatever we are, or were and no matter the bitter disputes Jews have endured between each other, we have never been anywhere as terrible as those non-Jews who led us to the slaughter. It is the baseless hatred of Jew vs. Jew that gives them power- even to this day.

33 posted on 09/07/2003 7:53:49 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
Yes, I know that they're the exception and not the rule when it comes to the Hassidim. However, they are the ones who attack those Jews who do not fall into line and practice their interpretation of fundamentalist Judaism.

As someone who was pretty much raised more secular than not, I was a child when I experienced verbal attacks from one Orthodox neighbor family. I didn't appreciate running home in tears because the sanctimonious neighbors on the corner told me that I wasn't a real Jew because my family isn't Orthodox.

I have no hatred of any other Jews, but I also won't blindly defend those who are hateful, like the Satmars -- the same ones who have to hire security guards for the synagogue during holidays, to prevent rival groups from beating the crap out of each other and from throwing prayer books at one another. They do far more harm than good to Jews everywhere.

34 posted on 09/07/2003 8:00:29 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Clinton Legacy = 16-acre hole in the ground in lower Manhattan)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I was also raised a secular Jew. Orthodoxy was shunned and considered "backward".

There is no excuse for the violence you experienced. But then, there is no excused for no name tagged policemen beating the crap out of religious Jews in Israel either. No one is defending baseless hatred. It just happens to occur among Jews of all stripes, not just the Satmar.

You happened to experience this from this particular group. Religious Jews in other places experienced it from the secular also. It is this antipathy we must all overcome, or we are lost.

35 posted on 09/07/2003 9:15:39 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Wow...what an interesting thread.
36 posted on 09/07/2003 9:20:15 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: NYC GOP Chick
After 9/11, airport security became much tighter. one of the security men spotted a man with a long beard, long black coat and a large fur hat. The security guard walks up to this individual, looks at him up and down abd asks, "Taliban?". The bearded traveler replied "No. Teitelbaum!"






37 posted on 09/09/2003 10:37:31 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: LizardQueen
Most Satmar do not even recognize the state of Israel. They can be really nuts at times.
38 posted on 09/09/2003 10:41:04 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: NYC GOP Chick
before you jump on this know that this same chasidic group is also well known for visiting hospitals regularly to see comfort sick people and demonstrate very high levels of hospitality to anyone who needs it.so if they hav a drop of politics who cares it's nut they are like certain group of fundamentalists who blow up planes and hate this country even though they are probably the most leinient to them

39 posted on 09/18/2003 2:18:37 PM PDT by shomrim_wanna_be_pd
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To: shomrim_wanna_be_pd
My what an interesting screen name you have -- not to mention an interesting choice of maiden post to make here.

I *do* care very much that they are virulently anti-Israel and that they despise me because I do not practice their strict, fundamentalist, almost taliban-like strain of Judaism.

So, when are you going to the police academy, and how long after you join the NYPD do you get to join Shomrim, or is that an automatic thing?

40 posted on 09/18/2003 2:37:08 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (The State Dept. is in desperate need of a USA Desk.)
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