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SHOWTIME'S 9-11 DOCUDRAMA - HOLLYWOOD GETS ONE RIGHT

Posted on 09/07/2003 5:45:54 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine

Wow! Am watching this now - powerful stuff.

They make Bush and the cabinet look GREAT!


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2ndanniversary; 911; bush; dc911; docudrama; media

1 posted on 09/07/2003 5:45:56 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Texas_Dawg; Hillary's Lovely Legs; Howlin; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Poohbah; dighton; hchutch; ...
ping
2 posted on 09/07/2003 5:49:11 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Paleocons - defined as the French generals of the political world)
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To: wimpycat
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3 posted on 09/07/2003 5:51:19 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Paleocons - defined as the French generals of the political world)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Further evidence he's a RINO commie.
4 posted on 09/07/2003 5:53:09 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg ("Free trade will cause the death of America's moral base." -- Tub Girl)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I'm watching and enjoying this movie as well. [FYI: The producer of this movie is a staunch supporter of both the President and the War on Terror!]
5 posted on 09/07/2003 6:02:23 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I don't have Showtime :-( I hope they put it out on video tape or DVD. I heard it got panned in reviews (gee I wonder why).
6 posted on 09/07/2003 6:03:45 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm half and half... me mum is a muggle and me dad is a witch)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I'm sure that the DUh's are throwing things at their televisions...

Memories of that horrific day are all coming to the surface again. The use of actual film footage is making me blubber like a baby. It's hard to believe that almost two years have passed. It seems like only yesterday.

May God continue to bless our great President, his cabinet, and his mighty military. And may God bless the souls of the innocent victims - and always comfort their survivors.

J.Q.
7 posted on 09/07/2003 6:17:19 PM PDT by jqpublic
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
What is the exact title, and what station is this on? My Showtime channels aren't showing it.
8 posted on 09/07/2003 6:20:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: cyborg
Anything less that outright hatred of President Bush is panned, when it comes to documentaries.
9 posted on 09/07/2003 6:20:03 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Bringing you quality, non-unnecessarily-excerpted threads since 2002)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
i was tossing some comments on the Bush speech live thread, so far, a very good film. Dramatic, but also a good historical account with lots of details.
10 posted on 09/07/2003 6:21:50 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Nevermind. The west coast is showing this at 8:00 p.m. our time.
11 posted on 09/07/2003 6:22:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
DC 9/11: Time of Crisis
12 posted on 09/07/2003 6:22:24 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Does anyone know where I can get a tape or DVD of the show
13 posted on 09/07/2003 6:23:25 PM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: oceanview
Thank you.
14 posted on 09/07/2003 6:25:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: The Wizard
it will likely makes it way to blockbuster or onto DVD within a couple of months, else you'll need to find a friend with showtime.

Bush now appearing at the WTC site in the movie.
15 posted on 09/07/2003 6:25:15 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
wow, its R rated. One of the construction workers just said to the Bush character: "george, kill those m----f---ers". hopefully the abbrevation in this post does not violate forum rules.
16 posted on 09/07/2003 6:27:04 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Darn, I don't have Showtime.
17 posted on 09/07/2003 6:28:34 PM PDT by wimpycat (Down with Kooks and Kookery!)
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To: wimpycat
there should have been a live thread for this movie, some interesting details being shown.
18 posted on 09/07/2003 6:32:36 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
oh, now there is a live thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/977830/posts
19 posted on 09/07/2003 6:34:18 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I don't have SHOWTIME, but from what I saw of pre-show interviews, they really got the cast members who look like the real thing:


20 posted on 09/07/2003 7:11:41 PM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I think the liberals are throwing one hell of a fit right now! he he he he he
21 posted on 09/07/2003 7:29:35 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: DrDeb
I turned to watch the president's speech and then my sister-in-law phoned, so I missed a great deal of the film. What I saw, I thought was good. I plan to watch when it's on Showtime West at 11pm. (I should go try to find a tape before then!)

I liked the shots they showed of Hillary because the ones I saw sure showed her smirking or snearing, even in church! ;)

Reason for this post: I'm curious what your overall impression was of the film. Did you enjoy it beginning to end? Anything special I should watch for?
22 posted on 09/07/2003 7:33:44 PM PDT by Fawnn (I'm proud to declare that my country has a LEADER!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Note: Times listed are CDT; station number is my local so it may differ from your cable/satellite provider.]

7:00 PM Channel 580 SHOe Sunday, 7
DC 9/11: Time of Crisis
125 min.

Having played a buffoonish President George W. Bush on Comedy Central's That's My Bush!, Timothy Bottoms does dramatic justice to the Commander in Chief in this involving 2003 docudrama, which chronicles events following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. The film is “not necessarily about the personalities,” according to screenwriter Lionel Chetwynd, “[but] about the complexity of what it was like to try and be a leader.” Effortlessly blending actual footage with dramatic reenactments, the movie is at times emotional and suspenseful. But it occasionally stumbles when saddling Bush with some overly melodramatic, John Wayne-ish bravado.


Cast: Timothy Bottoms, Scott Alan Smith, Lawrence Pressman, Penny Johnson Jerald, John Cunningham, David Fonteno, Gregory Itzin, Penny Johnson Jerald, Stephen Macht, Mary Gordon Murray, Lawrence Pressman, George Takei, David McIlwraith, Myron Natwick, Allan Royal, Chuck Shamata, James McGowan, Debra McGrath, Gerry Mendocino, Brian Paul, Carolyn Scott
Rating: TV-PG
Content: Strong, Coarse Language
Category: Movie, Drama
Director: Brian Trenchard-Smith
Release Year: 2003
 

Additional Airings
Date Time   Channel      
Monday, 8 8:30 PM   581 SHOTe N/A
Wednesday, 10 4:30 PM   582 SHOCe N/A
Thursday, 11 8:00 PM   580 SHOe N/A
Friday, 12 3:30 PM   581 SHOTe N/A
Saturday, 13 7:30 AM   582 SHOCe N/A
Saturday, 13 8:00 PM   582 SHOCe N/A
Tuesday, 16 9:00 AM   582 SHOCe N/A
Tuesday, 16 4:30 PM   582 SHOCe N/A
Wednesday, 17 10:00 PM   580 SHOe N/A
Friday, 19 7:00 PM   582 SHOCe N/A
Saturday, 20 4:30 PM   580 SHOe N/A


23 posted on 09/07/2003 7:39:47 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Fawnn
Anything special I should look for?

Actually, you've seen it all before. What's fascinating is the "familiarity" of it, yet the awesome job they did of capturing each character. It's gripping.

There is one little surprise at the very, very end...

24 posted on 09/07/2003 7:40:49 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Fawnn
Watch it through the credits. It has the actors' takes on how they perceived their characters. Also, following the movie are a few short features which might be of intest. They run approximately 25 minutes, total.
25 posted on 09/07/2003 7:43:39 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Timeout
I just freeped a friend that I was surprised at how much the film emphasized the renewed patriotism after 9/11!

(I'm betting any Rats who've seen the film are furious about now!)
26 posted on 09/07/2003 7:44:36 PM PDT by Fawnn (I'm proud to declare that my country has a LEADER!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Ah, so it's accurate then? Fancy that!
27 posted on 09/07/2003 7:45:07 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Arpege92
I think that you'll enjoy these vanities I found:

What perchance did they threaten Toronto with if the civic officials there didn't allow the movies to be filmed there? To have Al Quaeda "World Trade Centerize" the CN Tower or maybe a SARS bomb perhaps? Just thought I'd ask though I think the movies were luckily NOT SHOWN in CANADA.

SICKING.... I was yelling... YELLING at the TV!?!?!

Sounds series. Like a nervous twitch worthy of Al Franken (his co-host on MSNBC was worried that he might suffer a stroke).
28 posted on 09/07/2003 7:45:18 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Bush and the Cabinet are great. At least you never have to wonder what side Bush is on.
29 posted on 09/07/2003 7:49:33 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: TomGuy
>> Having played a buffoonish President George W. Bush on Comedy Central's That's My Bush!, Timothy Bottoms does dramatic justice to the Commander in Chief in this involving 2003 docudrama <<

I was able to watch the entire film and having studied many accounts and direct quotes from the administration and staff on the events following 9/11, I would say the film is extremely accurate for a hollywood production.

I was struck by the excellent casting (for appearance, style, image, etc) of many of the characters especially Laura Bush, Karen Hughes, Ari, Rummsfeld & Rice. Timothy Bottoms made a gallant effort at George Bush, but during the entire movie, I had a constant feeling that he couldn't touch the real depth of the man. My impression was confirmed in the final scene where they switched from Bottom's delivering the address to the joint session of congress to film of the real George Bush. Our President has a depth and spirit that cannot be reproduced by even the most polished of actors. There is no substitute for the real thing.
30 posted on 09/07/2003 7:50:56 PM PDT by CMAC51
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Saw it listed but figured that it would be another way to leftists writers and producers to denigrate W and refused to watch it.
31 posted on 09/07/2003 7:51:24 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: lilylangtree
>> Saw it listed but figured that it would be another way to leftists writers and producers to denigrate W and refused to watch it. <<

Watch it if you get another chance. A very high percentage of the dialouge comes from actual quotes from interviews and such.
32 posted on 09/07/2003 7:54:08 PM PDT by CMAC51
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Timothy Bottoms (who plays President Bush) said that all Americans should be grateful that Bush is our president at this time. He gained a greater appreciation for President Bush after this part.

I agree, the docudrama was excellent. I had to keep pinching myself, it was so positive.

33 posted on 09/07/2003 8:00:00 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: jqpublic
Wait a minute, JQ! Tom Shales (of the Washington Post) called this moving "simultaneously dull and disgraceful"... Here's the link I posted yesterday:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/977280/posts

Didn't seem so "dull and disgraceful" to me!

34 posted on 09/07/2003 8:00:08 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Darn, I don't have Showtime. Will this be repeated during the next few weeks often on Showtime (like the way HBO runs movies)? I wonder if I can sign up for Showtime for a month, then drop it...
35 posted on 09/07/2003 8:02:35 PM PDT by nutmeg (Is the DemocRATic party extinct yet?)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds; nutmeg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/977280/posts

There! Tom Shales is an a$$hole. Bring Kleenex for the movie..........FRegards

36 posted on 09/07/2003 8:27:44 PM PDT by gonzo ( I'm still tryin' to figger-out how much I can get away with and still get into Heaven......)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Doesn't it bother ANYONE ELSE here that this "patriotic" movie was shot ... in CANADA??????
37 posted on 09/07/2003 8:52:15 PM PDT by EdJay
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To: nutmeg
Times are for EDT; channel numbers are for my cable system. According to tvguide.com, the dates, etc. when the film will air are:

Airings
Date Time Channel VCR Plus+
Monday, 8 9:30 PM 222 SHOTe N/A
Tuesday, 9 0:30 AM 227 SHOTw N/A
Wednesday, 10 5:30 PM 223 SHOCe N/A
Wednesday, 10 8:30 PM 228 SHOCw N/A
Thursday, 11 9:00 PM 221 SHOe N/A
Friday, 12 0:00 AM 226 SHOw N/A
Friday, 12 4:30 PM 222 SHOTe N/A
Friday, 12 7:30 PM 227 SHOTw N/A
Saturday, 13 8:30 AM 223 SHOCe N/A
Saturday, 13 11:30 AM 228 SHOCw N/A
Saturday, 13 9:00 PM 223 SHOCe N/A
Sunday, 14 0:00 AM 228 SHOCw N/A
Tuesday, 16 10:00 AM 223 SHOCe N/A
Tuesday, 16 1:00 PM 228 SHOCw N/A
Tuesday, 16 5:30 PM 223 SHOCe N/A
Tuesday, 16 8:30 PM 228 SHOCw N/A
Wednesday, 17 11:00 PM 221 SHOe N/A
Thursday, 18 2:00 AM 226 SHOw N/A
Friday, 19 8:00 PM 223 SHOCe N/A
Friday, 19 11:00 PM 228 SHOCw N/A
Saturday, 20 5:30 PM 221 SHOe N/A
Saturday, 20 8:30 PM 226 SHOw N/A
38 posted on 09/07/2003 8:52:48 PM PDT by Fawnn (I'm proud to declare that my country has a LEADER!)
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To: EdJay
Doesn't it bother ANYONE ELSE here that this "patriotic" movie was shot ... in CANADA??????

That's the part of the film that's reflective of Hollyweird's hypocracy. ;)
39 posted on 09/07/2003 8:55:44 PM PDT by Fawnn (I'm proud to declare that my country has a LEADER!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I thought it was an outstanding portrayal of the melding of strategic and leadership considerations by the President and his cabinet/advisors as they faced this crisis. The President was portrayed as decisive and engaged. His advisors were all clearly brilliant, but also clearly subordinate to the President. The President quickly made the key decisions, and focused the debates. I hope it is a true picture of the President's insight and leadership.

The more I think about it, the more I think it must be essentially accurate, because the alternative view often presented by the Democrats/media of a witless moron with feuding advisors could not possibly have sustained such an effective war policy over the past two years.

The movie is just jam-packed with concise glimpses of the major debates and decision points that the adminstration grappled with in the first month after 9-11. All of the essential elements of the debate are presented in tightly scripted snippets, that I am sure tend to make every character seem a lot more articulate than they could possibly be in real life, but this technique allowed the presentation of a lot of material jammed into a two hour movie. It is must viewing. I hope it gets to a wider audience.

Downside: the "stage" movements seemed really stagey most of the time; the camera was the only thing that bounced in Rummy's office when the plane hit; the fighters escorting AF One must have been flown by Chinese pilots; there were hundreds of soldiers running around like maniacs for no apparent purpose at Offut AFB. In short, apart from the original footage, the movie looked very "made for TV", and very Hollywood -- but the ideas were very un-Hollywood.
40 posted on 09/07/2003 8:57:05 PM PDT by Dako no tane
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Showtime??? The "Queer as Folk" network? They don't hint that Bush is gay or something?
41 posted on 09/07/2003 8:59:31 PM PDT by montag813
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To: CMAC51
"My impression was confirmed in the final scene where they switched from Bottom's delivering the address to the joint session of congress to film of the real George Bush. Our President has a depth and spirit that cannot be reproduced by even the most polished of actors. There is no substitute for the real thing."

Hear, Hear!
42 posted on 09/07/2003 8:59:46 PM PDT by Dako no tane
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To: EdJay; Fawnn
Simple economics, nothing more. Canada subsidizes film production and gives you tax credits that you can't get in the states. On average, you get between 30 to 35 percent more for your budget shooting in Canada.
43 posted on 09/07/2003 9:01:06 PM PDT by bootyist-monk (Thunder makes all the noise; lightning gets the job done)
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To: jqpublic
I just checked and you're absolutely correct.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=295160

Pretty pathetic spectacle, if you ask me. There's Reality, and there's Liberal Thinking, and never the twain shall meet.
44 posted on 09/07/2003 9:05:59 PM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: Fawnn
Thank you for that schedule! I'll check into Showtime with my cable company ASAP.
45 posted on 09/07/2003 10:03:21 PM PDT by nutmeg (Is the DemocRATic party extinct yet?)
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To: nutmeg
I am sure it will be on sale somewhere. It might be cheaper then ordering showtime and you will not have too put the child lock on.
46 posted on 09/07/2003 10:10:34 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: EdJay
No mystery - a lot of Showtime productions are filmed in Canada due to expense. It is much cheaper there.
47 posted on 09/08/2003 1:17:49 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Paleocons - defined as the French generals of the political world)
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To: gonzo
Thanks Gonzo, from the HTML-challenged! And you are right about Tom Shales being a Clymer!
48 posted on 09/08/2003 3:36:24 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: ReleaseTheHounds; Deb
RTH, Have a look at http://werbach.com/ and print out the text version for 'Bare Bones'.

It shows you how to do all that linking stuff, plus colours like 'Deb'!........FRegards

49 posted on 09/08/2003 7:36:05 PM PDT by gonzo ( I'm still tryin' to figger-out how much I can get away with and still get into Heaven......)
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