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Red Roots Of Gay Movement
Accuracy In Media ^ | September 10, 2003 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 09/10/2003 3:16:04 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

It's often said that homosexuals have always been with us, as if the "gay rights" movement has just spontaneously emerged, but the truth is that it has been traced to one man, a communist named Harry Hay. This is a story that deserves to be told as society proceeds with a debate over the extent of "gay rights."

This is what lies behind the drive for homosexual marriage. Their "rights" won't end with that. They want to legalize child molestation by calling it "love." With the gay marriage debate underway, it's time for the major media to tell the full truth about the origins and founder of this "movement."

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The Pink Swastika

The deep roots of homosexuality in the Nazi party are brilliantly exposed . . ."
Dr. Howard Hurwitz, Family Defense Council

"As a Jewish scholar who lost hundreds of her family in the Holocaust, I welcome The Pink Swastika as courageous and timely . . . Lively and Abrams reveal the reigning "gay history" as revisionist and expose the supermale German homosexuals for what they were - Nazi brutes, not Nazi victims."
Dr. Judith Reisman, Institute for Media Education

"The Pink Swastika is a tremendously valuable book, replete with impressive documentation presented in a compelling fashion." William Grigg, The New American

"...exposes numerous lies, and tears away many myths. Essential reading, it is a formidable boulder cast into the path of the onrushing homosexual express..."
Stan Goodenough, Middle East Intelligence Digest

"The Pink Swastika is a powerful exposure of pre-World War II Germany and its quest for reviving and imitating a Hellenistic-paganistic idea of homo-eroticism and militarism."
Dr. Mordechai Nisan, Hebrew University of Jerusalem

"Lively and Abrams call attention to what Hitlerism really stood for, abortion, euthanasia, hatred of Jews, and, very emphatically, homosexuality. This many of us knew in the 1930’s; it was common knowledge, but now it is denied..."
R. J. Rushdoony, The Chalcedon Report

The homosexual historical footprint is large when it comes to the rape and murder of children. The most notorious child killer might be Gilles de Rais (Bluebeard), remembered for raping, torturing, and killing perhaps 800 boys in 15th century France. Gilles often raped the boy as he hung from a hook by the neck. Before he died, Gilles took him down, comforted him, repeated the act and either killed him himself or had him slain. In his confession, Gilles testified that "when the children were dead he kissed them and those who had the most handsome limbs and heads he held up to admire them, and had their bodies cut open and took delight at the sight of their inner organs; and very often when the said children were dying he sat on their stomachs and took pleasure in seeing them die and laughed..." (www.crimelibrary.com)

At the turn of the 19th century, "hobos" or "bums" in the U.S. were often driven from towns because it was believed that they were responsible for raping and killing boys. Even the murder of a boy by homosexual lovers Leopold and Loeb in 1924, then called the "crime of the century," likely involved rape. As of July 23, 2001, the Associated Press list of the worst serial killers in the United States was topped by Donald Harvey, followed by John Wayne Gacy, Patrick Kearney, Bruce Davis and Dean Corll in descending number of victims (www.crimelibrary.com). All these perpetrators of serial crimes in the 1970s and 1980s engaged in homosexuality, and the majority of the victims for the last four killers were boys. Family Research Report - Dec 2002

Why is the American public largely unaware that roughly 500,000 boys sell street sex to adult males of this great nation? Why are adult molesters -- infecting thousands of boys with AIDS -- not jailed for contributing to the delinquency of minors, statutory rape and premeditated murder? The homosexual authors confirm common sense. "(G)ay men truly ... have a proportionate share of violent individuals in their midst who bash other gay men (and boys) in startlingly high numbers. The gay community needs to recognize that wealthy, white, educated, 'politically correct' gay men batter their lovers." WorldNetDaily: The darker data

"[The media] doesn't want the public to think about homosexuality and pedophilia and torture and the murder of children," says Don Feder, a conservative columnist at the Boston Herald. ABCNEWS.com : Did Media Hide Gay Murder Case?

1 posted on 09/10/2003 3:16:07 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
What a poor headline!
2 posted on 09/10/2003 3:26:49 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Amongst certain homosexuals there exists the following point of view: "what I do is of no importance to anyone else, it is a personal and private matter". Everything which touches upon sexual matters ceases to be private when the life or death of a nation depends on it. It is the difference between world domination or annihilation... It is vital we rid ourselves of them; like weed we must pull them up, throw them on the fire and burn them. This is not out of a spirit of vengeance, but of necessity; these creatures must be exterminated.

— Heinrich Himmler, 18 Feb 1937

Oh, yeah, those Nazis were just a bunch of homosexuals out to conquer the world. Sure sounds like it doesn't it?

What's really sad is I could have left off the attribution and it could have easily been mistaken for something many here on Free Republic have posted.

3 posted on 09/10/2003 4:29:50 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
You're in for it now...
4 posted on 09/10/2003 4:36:53 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is the last, best hope for California.)
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To: TheAngryClam
I just thought the people who continually post this crap ought to be aware that they're keeping intellectual company with Nazi exterminators.
5 posted on 09/10/2003 4:38:58 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
This is all typical propaganda. Link people you don't like with the enemies of the west. See the same thing on Debka.com -- and their hamas-iran-alqaeda-unabomber linkages.
6 posted on 09/10/2003 5:13:12 PM PDT by ellhow
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
HIV rules.
7 posted on 09/10/2003 5:33:44 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (No longshoremen were injured to produce this tagline.)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
For those who could be bothered with understanding holocaust revisionism:

The Annotated Pink Swastika http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/8706/
9 posted on 09/10/2003 5:51:57 PM PDT by harmony (Toto, how do you spell `crackpot'?)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
So which is it? Gays are nazis or gays are communists? Never mind. You're demented.
10 posted on 09/10/2003 6:02:16 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS; EdReform; Clint N. Suhks; Bryan; Kevin Curry
Excellent article.
11 posted on 09/10/2003 6:19:41 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: tdadams
What's really sad is I could have left off the attribution and it could have easily been mistaken for something many here on Free Republic have posted.

Thankfully you didn't do that, you were starting to frighten me. I read, in the last month or so, a very interesting article by some Marxist. He was making a case to help overcome their negative history with homosexuals. Do they like homosexuals? Of course not, history proves that. But they are unashamedly drawn to the possibility of exploiting yet another "oppressed group" so that they may add numbers to their own cause.

12 posted on 09/10/2003 6:34:08 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Im gonna puke
13 posted on 09/10/2003 7:47:34 PM PDT by bluelowrider57 (More of da thugz crawlin)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Obligatory post (emphasis added by ME):

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Read this to see just how much of this has gotten into our culture, and how much of this the Democrats push this stuff.

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
14 posted on 09/10/2003 8:01:12 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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15 posted on 09/10/2003 8:08:19 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: George W. Bush
The Overhauling of Straight America

The Homosexual Propaganda and Media Manipulation Game

16 posted on 09/10/2003 8:14:09 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Joe McCarthy was right on target. That’s why he had to be eliminated.

17 posted on 09/10/2003 8:22:29 PM PDT by Barnacle (Communism is dead. Well, it is… Isn’t it?)
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To: Windcatcher
CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS?

I though I was reading the platform of the DNC.

18 posted on 09/10/2003 8:25:29 PM PDT by Barnacle (Communism is dead. Well, it is… Isn’t it?)
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To: Barnacle
Telling, isn't it?
19 posted on 09/10/2003 8:25:48 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Windcatcher
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

It appears that they've finished with one and have started on the other.

20 posted on 09/10/2003 8:35:09 PM PDT by Barnacle (Communism is dead. Well, it is… Isn’t it?)
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To: Windcatcher
Shoulda known someone would post that AGAIN. Do you think this list of 'communist goals' was some Marxist memo uncovered in the waning days of the Soviet Union? I hope you realize it's taken from a polemic. It would be the same as if the American Atheist Association was to write a list of 'Religious Right goals'. No one would ascribe one ounce of credibility to it. Don't be so naive.
21 posted on 09/10/2003 8:51:16 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Do articles from this site have to be excerpted? (My dial-up is so slow I hate having to be directed to other sites, I'm lazy!)
22 posted on 09/10/2003 8:55:16 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Thank you for posting an unnecessarily excerpted article.
23 posted on 09/10/2003 9:01:16 PM PDT by upchuck (Greyout Doofus is the Peter Principle personified!)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
When it comes to actual numbers, heterosexuals commit more serial rapes and murders; however, when it comes to percentages of their population, homosexual serial rape, molestation and murder is greater.
24 posted on 09/10/2003 10:01:10 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: Windcatcher
Thank you, thank you for posting this. I saw this some time ago and lost the link for it. I shall now bookmark this thread.
25 posted on 09/10/2003 10:04:23 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: Windcatcher
P.S. Now if I could only find the Gay Agenda of 1972. As God as my witness, there is a statement promoting the age of consent.
26 posted on 09/10/2003 10:05:55 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
"...it's time for the major media to tell the full truth about the origins and founder of this "movement.

Not a chance. They wouldn't identify Betty Friedan, the founder of "feminism," as a communist, much less expose the true extent of her perfidy. They're not going to do that with Hay or with any of their other leftist icons.

27 posted on 09/10/2003 11:09:55 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: tdadams; Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS; Sandy; EdReform; scripter
Red Roots?
Oh dear!
That'll never do.


28 posted on 09/10/2003 11:14:35 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: tdadams
The communist goals were published in The Naked Communist by Cleon Skousen and subsequently read into the Congressional Record in 1963.
29 posted on 09/10/2003 11:18:28 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Yes, I know that. And...
30 posted on 09/11/2003 3:31:11 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
You dispute the accuracy of Skousen's facts?
31 posted on 09/11/2003 3:56:13 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Tell me something if you can. From what source did Skousen derive this list of communist goals?
32 posted on 09/11/2003 4:13:10 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
You mean you haven't read the book?
33 posted on 09/11/2003 4:22:53 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
I don't think that's what I said. I asked you to tell me, if you're able, from what sources Skousen derived his list of Communist goals.
34 posted on 09/11/2003 4:53:14 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Sandy
So which is it? Gays are nazis or gays are communists?

Actually they could be called either. National socialism and communism are very closely aligned movements on the left fringe of thought. Most 'homosexuals' are decidedly leftist in their political agenda. They are socialists (NAZI) and some are far left enough to be communist. Especially the ones intent on wiping out religion and the bible (which convicts them of the sin of their chosen lifestyle)

35 posted on 09/11/2003 5:06:33 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Barnacle
I though I was reading the platform of the DNC.

You were.

36 posted on 09/11/2003 5:07:18 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: 3catsanadog
When it comes to actual numbers, heterosexuals commit more serial rapes and murders; however, when it comes to percentages of their population, homosexual serial rape, molestation and murder is greater.

However, 'homosexuals' are a far higher percentage of serial murderers than heterosexual people. 'Homosexuals' also tend to have far greater numbers of victims per molester than heterosexuals do. (something on the order of 5 to 20 times more victims per molestor)

It is a far greater risk to let your children be exposed to 'homosexuals' than it is to expose them to the general non-homosexual prison population

The first law of homosexuality:

'Homosexuals' do not reproduce, they recruit

The third law of homosexuality:

Any exposure of children to homosexual behavior is child abuse

37 posted on 09/11/2003 5:13:28 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: tdadams
"I don't think that's what I said."

You attacked the book as a mere "polemic."

I asked you point blank if you disputed Skousen's facts.

You evaded me.

Yes, I don't think you've read the book you just disparaged.

38 posted on 09/11/2003 5:14:53 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
And you've evaded me. You can't, or won't, answer my question, which proves the point I was trying to make. Thank you very much.
39 posted on 09/11/2003 5:17:21 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
What transparent and brazen mendacity! You made a claim, not I. When challenged to support your claim, you tried to change the subject to a claim I actually never made.

Once again: What is the basis for your claim that Skousen's book is a mere "polemic"?

40 posted on 09/11/2003 5:24:18 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: tdadams
which proves the point I was trying to make. Thank you very much.

It proves nothing. Knee-jerk defense of homosexual practices is misinformed, misguided and irrational. As far as them being useful idiots for creating unrest, one only needs to start with Ginsburg and the beatnicks. Less than two percent of the population has, with threats, intimidation and lies, moved America leftward.

41 posted on 09/11/2003 5:31:29 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman; tdadams
Good luck getting a straight answer from Mr. Evasion who dismisses a book he's never even read.
42 posted on 09/11/2003 5:35:34 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
who dismisses a book he's never even read.

Careful, there Sparky. That's dishonest, bordering on outright lying. You don't want to be known as a liar around here do you? Show me on what basis you say conclusively I've not read the book.

I'm beginning to suspect that you've not read the book yourself. Otherwise, you'd step up to the plate and answer me. Once again, from what sources did Skousen derive his list of Communist goals? Answer that, then we can proceed.

43 posted on 09/11/2003 6:14:50 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
tdadams [post 21]: "Shoulda known someone would post that [communist goals] AGAIN. Do you think this list of 'communist goals' was some Marxist memo uncovered in the waning days of the Soviet Union? I hope you realize it's taken from a polemic. It would be the same as if the American Atheist Association was to write a list of 'Religious Right goals'. No one would ascribe one ounce of credibility to it. Don't be so naive."

Bonaparte [post 31]: "You dispute the accuracy of Skousen's facts?"
_____________________________________________________________

You called the book a "polemic" and denied it's credibility.

I asked you to back that up.

You can't. Because you haven't even read the book you presume to critique. You're a phony, get it? A poseur. And nobody's fooled by your song and dance.

How easy it would have been for you to just admit that it was your impression that Skousen's information was not reliable and that you didn't actually know.

Instead, you act like a fool who won't admit he overreached even when it's obvious to everybody else..

44 posted on 09/11/2003 6:39:39 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: tdadams
Thus butch hypermasculinity, visibility for homosexuals, and organization were the three necessary ingredients in the mix which allowed the SA leaders to make their unique and essential contribution to the rise of Nazism. Another important consideration is that visibility is enabled when homosexuality assumes a political voice. In this way, the politicization of homosexuality, which supported gays in the process of socially identifying themselves as such, was a necessary condition for Hitler's success. Gay Nazis: the Role of Homosexuality in Nazism & Hitler's Rise to ...
45 posted on 09/11/2003 7:14:01 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: upright_citizen
That sadomasochism and homoeroticism often occur together with Nazism in the Holocaust film is a fact that has long been recognized and is frequently observed. Ilan Avisar, in Screening the Holocaust, traces what he calls the connection of Nazism and "sexual deviance" to Rossellini's Open City.[1] Gerd Gemünden suggests that in 1942, "the association of male homosexuality with sadism and perversion [as in the effeminate portrayal of Heydrich in Hangmen Also Die] ... anticipates postwar films such as The Damned (Visconti 1969) and Night Porter (Cavani 1974)."[2]

[1] Ilan Avisar, Screening the Holocaust: Cinema's Images of the Unimaginable (Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press, 1988), pp. 134-48

[2] Gerd Gemünden, "Brecht in Hollywood: Hangmen Also Die and the Anti-Nazi Film," TDR 43 (4) (Winter 1999): 65-7; The earliest book in English to conflate Nazism with sexual perversion was Samuel Igra's Germany's National Vice (London: Quality Press, Ltd., 1945). Sadomasochism

46 posted on 09/11/2003 7:15:15 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: ellhow
Adolf Hitler's homosexuality has been demonstrated beyond question by German historian Lothar Machtan's massively researched new book, The Hidden Hitler, which shows homosexuality's central role in Hitler's personal life.

But the crucial role within the Nazi movement of the most vicious and lawless types of homosexuality, which Machtan also shows, is even more important than Hitler's personal preference. In 1933, six months after Hitler took power, the distinguished Jewish author Ludwig Lewisohn described what Machtan confirms, that "the entire [Nazi] movement is in fact and by certain aspects of its avowed ideology drenched through and through with homoerotic feeling and practice." And those homosexual currents inextricably were connected with vicious German militarism long before the Nazis.

The answer is the "two irreconcilable philosophies linked by a common dysfunction" [homosexuality] that existed then in Germany: the "Butches" (or "Machos") and the "Femmes," whom Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams differentiate in their invaluable book, The Pink Swastika. "The roots of this conflict span a 70-year period which saw the rise of homosexual militancy in the movement that gave Nazism to the world." Machtan mentions neither the conflict nor the Lively-Abrams book.

The Butches were openly and deliberately lawless. They defied criminal statutes, including those governing homosexuality. As criminals, they were not concerned with trying to change the law. They were anti-Semitic, militaristic and gratuitously brutal. Their sexual ideal was the man-boy relationship extolled and engaged in by the Greeks, Crusaders and Teutonic knights. They considered these pederastic activities morally superior to sex with women, whom they despised as useful only for breeding. Their deepest hatred often was directed against the Femmes and, especially, Hirschfeld, whom they reviled as effeminate and therefore contemptible.

"Femmes," reported variously to be perhaps 5 percent to 15 percent of all homosexuals, saw homosexuality on the same moral level as heterosexuality, rather than above it. They supported the overall rule of law and opposed pederasty and sadomasochism. Many were involved in artistic and scientific activities — dance, music, theater and medicine — and persuaded many German intellectuals, liberals and Jews of homosexuality's acceptability. This acceptance of Femme homosexuality, based partly on seeing homosexuals as a harmless, often creative, "persecuted minority," seriously undermined public awareness of the true threat and acute danger of Macho homosexuals. Was Hitler's Homosexuality Nazism's Best-Kept Secret?

47 posted on 09/11/2003 7:18:01 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Sandy
"I am one of the hardest men Germany has had for decades, perhaps for centuries, equipped [Page 7] with the greatest authority of any German leader... but above all, I believe in my success. I believe in it unconditionally." (M.N.O. 871)

The great difficulty is that this form of identification early in life carries the individual in the direction of passive homosexuality. Hitler has for years been suspected of being a homosexual, although there is no reliable evidence that he has actually engaged in a relationship of this kind. Rauschning reports that he has met two boys who claimed that they were Hitler's homosexual partners, but their testimony can scarcely be taken at its face value. More condemning would be the remarks dropped by Foerster, the Danzig Gauleiter, in conversations with Rauschning. Even here, however, the remarks deal only with Hitler's impotence as far as heterosexual relations go without actually implying that he indulges in homosexuality. It is probably true that Hitler calls Foerster "Bubi", which is a common nickname employed by homosexuals in addressing their partners. This alone, however, is not adequate proof that he has actually indulged in homosexual practices with Foerster, who is known to be a homosexual.

The belief that Hitler is homosexual has probably developed (a) from the fact that he does show so many feminine characteristics, and (b) from the fact that there were so many homosexuals in the Party during the early days and many continue to occupy important positions. It does seem that Hitler feels much more at ease with homosexuals than with normal persons, but this may be due to the fact that they are all fundamentally social outcasts and consequently have a community of interests which tends to make them think and feel more or less alike. In this connection it is interesting to note that homosexuals, too, frequently regard themselves as a special form of creation or as chosen ones whose destiny it is to initiate a new order.

The fact that underneath they feel themselves to be different and ostracized from normal social contacts usually makes them easy converts to a new social philosophy which does not discriminate against them. Being among civilization's discontents, they are always willing to take a chance of something new which holds any promise of improving their lot, even though their chances of success may be small and the risk great. Having little to lose to begin with, they can afford to take chances which others would refrain from taking. The early Nazi party certainly contained many members who could be regarded in this light. Even today Hitler derives pleasure from looking at men's bodies and associating with homosexuals. Strasser tells us that his personal body guard is almost always 100% homosexuals. [Page 196]

He also derives considerable pleasure from being with his Hitler Youth and his attitude towards them frequently tends to be more that of a woman than that of a man.

There is a possibility that Hitler has participated in a homosexual relationship at some time in his life. The evidence is such that we can only say there is a strong tendency in this direction which, in addition to the manifestations already enumerated, often finds expression in imagery concerning being attacked from behind or being stabbed in the back. His nightmares, which frequently deal with being attacked by a man and being suffocated, also suggest strong homosexual tendencies and a fear of them. From these indications, however, we would conclude that for the most part these tendencies have been repressed, which would speak against the probability of their being expressed in overt form. On the other hand, persons suffering from his perversion sometimes do indulge in homosexual practices in the hope that they might find sexual gratification. Even this perversion would be more acceptable to them than the one with which they are afflicted.

On the whole, one could say of many of the German troops what Rauschning said of Hitler: [Page 242] "...there lies behind Hitler's emphasis on brutality and ruthlessness the desolation of a forced and artificual inhumanity, not the amorality of the genuine brute, which has after all something of the power of a natural force." A Psychological Profile of Adolf Hitler Walter C. Langer, Office of Strategic Services,Washington, D.C.

 

48 posted on 09/11/2003 7:19:47 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: 3catsanadog

In line with traditional psychiatric opinion, violence goes hand-in-hand with the ‘gay’ lifestyle. Almost all the exposure by homosexuals to violence and disease is encountered in the gay subculture. Most of the murderers in the lifespan study whose sexual orientation could be determined were also homosexual. While violence toward homosexuals is deplorable, most violence involving gays is self-induced (and the gay subculture may export more violence than it absorbs from without).Violence and Homosexuality

49 posted on 09/11/2003 7:23:00 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: upchuck
F.R. requires articles from A.I.M. be excerpted.

Your REQUIRED reading is found in posts#45-49

50 posted on 09/11/2003 7:25:47 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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