Latino group threatening U.S.?

WND ^ | 9-11-03 | Jon Dougherty

[JustPiper]

Caller to radio talk show: Pay Mexico for Southwest – or else

A caller to a West Coast talk show who claimed membership in a militant Latino group says the U.S. must acknowledge much of the Southwest belongs to Mexico and pay the proper amount for it – or else.

The caller, who identified himself only as "Louis," made his remarks on KSFO's Barbara Simpson show, which is broadcast in San Francisco, Aug. 31. According to Simpson, the man claimed he was from Los Angeles.

Simpson, who writes a weekly column for WorldNetDaily, said Louis called into the program directly after she had been discussing the "influence of militant Hispanics on California public policy and public attitudes," as well as the state's gubernatorial recall election and what effect a victory by Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante might have on that attitude.

To make her case, Simpson said she referenced a column written by Hector Carreon, of the website La Voz de Aztlan. In it, Carreon was describing the "arrest" of "anti-Mexican vigilante Glenn Spencer."

Spencer is founder of American Border Patrol, an immigration reform group that uses high-tech surveillance to monitor illegal aliens crossing the Arizona-Mexico border. As WorldNetDaily reported, he was arrested Aug. 2 at his home in Sierra Vista, Ariz., on gun-related charges.

Spencer told WorldNetDaily this week it is his "understanding" he has been cleared of most of those charges, though a charge of disturbing the peace is pending. He said he could not provide further details, on instruction of counsel.

On her program, Simpson went on to say the Carreon column was written "with verbiage clearly chosen to incite anger and racism." She said it describes Spencer as a "vehement racist … leader of the xenophobic organization called American Border Patrol … whose primary mission is to carry out clandestine 'hunting operations' of undocumented Mexican workers crossing the border. …"

Simpson said shortly after she began discussing the column, she received a call on the air from Spencer, who said he had been listening to her program via the Internet. Spencer relayed the information regarding his charges.

He also said last week five illegal aliens showed up on his property wanting to use his telephone. Shortly after their visit, sheriff's deputies pulled up to his home and told him someone had reported that he had pulled a gun on the illegals.

Spencer said an associate had videotaped the incident, which showed the report to be untrue. No charges were filed, he said, and the illegals were taken into custody. He said he believes the incident was staged by a third party in an attempt to frame him.

After Spencer told Simpson of his group's latest technology and plans to deploy along the border to observe illegal crossings, he hung up the phone. But within moments, Simpson said, Louis called.

He told her his name and said he belongs to an organization closely related to MEChA, an organization critics say has distinct anti-American viewpoints. Bustamante, the leading Democrat in the Oct. 7 recall election, has ties to MEChA.

Louis "said he was glad to learn of Spencer's plans" because his group planned to disrupt them, Simpson said.

She also explained Louis told her on the air "the purpose of his group" was to publicize the viewpoint "that Anglos have the land of the southwest illegally, that they never had a contract for it even though, he said, some money changed hands. [He said] it was simply not enough."

Simpson said Louis claimed his group did not recognize the U.S./Mexico border and that "they want the U.S. to acknowledge that the land belongs to Mexico and pay the proper amount for it and if [done] soon, they will do us no harm."

As for Spencer, he told WorldNetDaily in the past he believes he has been targeted by groups opposed to his border-protection activities.

"There have been instances that were suspicious, but it is dangerous to make claims that turn out to be false," he said.

"As far as the (recent) burglary and subsequent trespass – and I am convinced there was one – are concerned, I am convinced we were targeted specifically," said Spencer. "If there was ever a set up, that was one."

Spencer said the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil-rights legal group, is keeping an eye on his activities.

"They have said so," he said. "They are ready to pounce at the first opportunity," but he added the group's founder, Morris Dees, "probably wouldn't take the chance of staging a set up."

[JustPiper]

The Bustamante Camp dirty work?

[Pro-Bush]

BUMP! You got that right!

[thoughtomator]

It's worth 15, maybe 20 beads.

[halfdome]

I don't get it. Why would the Bustamante camp have some wacko call up a radio show and make threats on behalf of some Mexican fringe group, if it even exists?

[dasboot]

And Mo Dees eggin' em on.

[philetus]

Muslims good, America bad
palistinians good, America bad
MEChA good, America bad
I'm seeing a pattern here.

[The Westerner]

It's not a fringe group. It's a growing movement emboldened by multiculturalism and America's inarticulate defense of property rights. Sadly, the Mexican population who largely is made up of working poor people, will fall sway under this group. Why not? Getting something for nothing is what we've been dishing out to them for years...free medical care, welfare, education. If America cannot defend liberty, private property and free enterprise, anyone can come here and claim anything and get away with it.

[Cindy]

LA VOZ DE AZTLAN Web Page

[gubamyster]

ping

[Coeur de Lion]

We payed for it already.

Under the The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican War, and was signed on February 2, 1848, Mexico ceded to the United States Upper California and New Mexico (including Arizona) and recognized U.S. claims over Texas, with the Rio Grande as its southern boundary. The United States in turn paid Mexico $15,000,000, assumed the claims of American citizens against Mexico, recognized prior land grants in the Southwest, and offered citizenship to any Mexicans residing in the area.

$15 million and citizenship sounds pretty good to me given that we could've pretty much done whatever we wanted to. Just goes to show-- people aren't learning enough American history. There's a good reason the territorial acquistion was called the "Golden Purchase."

[JustPiper]

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[JustPiper]

Check out this article:

Pentagon targets Latinos and Mexicans to man the front lines in war on terror
by
Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
The Independent
10 September 2003

With the casualty rate in Iraq growing by the day and President George Bush's worldwide "war on terrorism" showing no signs of abating, a stretched United States military is turning increasingly to Latinos - including tens of thousands of non-citizen immigrants - to do the fighting and dying on its behalf.

Senior Pentagon officials have identified Latinos as by far the most promising ethnic group for recruitment, because their numbers are growing rapidly in the US and they include a plentiful supply of low-income men of military age with few other job or educational prospects.

Recruitment efforts have also extended to non-citizens, who have been told by the Bush administration that they can apply for citizenship the day they join up, rather than waiting the standard five years after receiving their green card. More than 37,000 non-citizens, almost all Latino, are currently enlisted. Recruiters have even crossed the border into Mexico - to the fury of the Mexican authorities - to look for school-leavers who may have US residency papers.

The aim, according to Pentagon officials, is to boost the Latino numbers in the military from roughly 10 per cent to as much as 22 per cent. That was the figure cited recently by John McLaurin, a deputy assistant secretary of the army, as the size of the "Hispanic ... recruiting market", and it has also been bandied about in the pages of the Army Times.

But while officials praise the willingness of Mexican Americans and other Latinos, the strategy has been denounced by anti-war groups as a cynical exploitation of impoverished young men who are lined up to be little more than cannon fodder.

Rick Jahnkow, of the Committee Opposed to Militarism and the Draft, said: "They are vulnerable economically. That's why they are targeting them. [These people are] going to provide them with the means to carry out future wars."

Recent statistics from the Pew Hispanic Centre, a non-partisan think-tank, show that Latinos are already doing the most dangerous combat jobs in disproportionate numbers. While they are still under- represented in the armed forces as a whole - they made up 9.4 per cent of enlisted men in 2001, compared with 13.4 per cent of the general population - they are over-represented in jobs that involve handling weapons (17.7 per cent).

In Iraq, the first US casualty was a Latino non- citizen, a Guatemalan orphan raised in Los Angeles called Jose Gutierrez. Although a precise breakdown of ethnic numbers is not available, the Pentagon's list of dead and wounded has included dozens of Spanish names. At least 10 out of almost 300 dead have been non-citizens.

An ethnic group has never before been the target of such a recruitment drive.

In the Vietnam war, when the US military was still conscripting soldiers for compulsory service, the de facto characteristic of the men who did the fighting and dying was class. Poor people - whether black, white or Mexican - were much more likely to be drafted, and more likely to find themselves in the front lines.

Now the military operates what Mr Jahnkow calls a "poverty draft" - selling itself as an attractive career option or stepping stone to further education in communities that have few other options. In the poorer parts of the country, army recruiters talk to children as early as primary school. At a predominantly Latino high school in east Los Angeles, students became so exasperated by the presence of army recruiters at careers fairs that they began a campaign to get rid of them with the slogan "students not soldiers".

Such activities are apparently common even across the border. A recruiter in San Diego told an Army radio show: "It's more or less common practice that some recruiters go to Tijuana to distribute pamphlets, or in some cases they look for someone to help distribute the information on the Mexican side." A recruiter who visited a technical high school in Tijuana in May triggered a diplomatic incident after the headmaster threw him out and the Mexican government protested vehemently to Washington. The army subsequently sought to deny that this was standard practice.

[JustPiper]

Try this on for size!

Seventeen million Mexicans have emigrated from Mexico in 40 years
by
Miroslava Flores
La Voz de Aztlan
Los Angeles, Alta California - August 11, 2003 - (ACN) A prestigious Mexican national advisory board on the census, the "Consejo Nacional de Población", has just released a study that says that 17 million Mexicans have emigrated out of Mexico in 40 years. The study says that the majority of the those emigrating did so to the USA where 9.5 million of these now reside. The study says that if it was not for those emigrating, the total population of Mexico would be 120 million.

The study says that there are now 8.2 million Mexicans who are sons and daughters of these emigrated Mexicans in the USA and that 7.8 million are second generation descendents.

In addition, the study states that the percentage of Mexican families that have relatives in the USA or receive monies from Mexican workers in the USA now exceeds 18% of all Mexican households representing 3.8 million total Mexican households.

Mexico is divided into 2,350 municipalities or "townships" and the study says that 96% of these have some sort of connection with the USA or receive monies from Mexican immigrants in the USA.

The study provided the following breakdown concerning the 2,350 townships and their connection to the USA:

1. 492 townships have a "high" connection
2. 392 townships have a "medium" connection
3. 466 townships have a "low" connection
4. 93 townships have no connection

The study concluded that the "world" received the "New Millennium" with mass global migrations. It stated that in January 1, 2000, approximately 150 million people resided outside their countries of origin.

[ForGod'sSake]

The Bustamante Camp dirty work?

I doubt it. Probably some overzealous amigos from his college days. Sounds like a spin off of "Reparation H". The really sad part is not only will the feral gummint not protect our borders, but won't allow concerned citizens to do it either. So, just what is their game anyway?

FGS

[JustPiper]

This is interesting, alarming? Uh-Oh....

Mexican-American Groups to "Confront" Border Vigilantes
by
Hector Carreon
La Voz de Aztlan
Los Angeles, Alta California - May 22, 2003- (ACN) Groups of Mexican-Americans and Méxicanos from various US states and Mexico are on their way to Southern Arizona to "confront" what Dr. Armando Navarro of the National Alliance for Human Rights (NAHR) called "terrorist armed militias." The delegation consisting of groups of organizational leaders and activists will arrive in Southern Arizona this evening, Thursday, May 22, and will remain in the region until Sunday May 25.

According to Armando Navarro, NAHR coordinator, "The cardinal mission of the delegation is twofold: (1) To demonstrate bi-national solidarity with those groups in Arizona that are actively combating the terrorism being directed by several armed militias against our immigrant people; and (2) to send a powerful warning to the armed militias that their terrorist acts will not be tolerated and that they will be dealt with accordingly."

Dr. Navarro added, "At the heart of the trip are the deaths of over 2,300 migrants since the militarization of the U.S./Mexico border began in 1994, the killing of nine migrants of which militias are suspected, and the anticipated thousands of poor undocumented migrant workers that will be making the perilous journey through the heat, snake, and scorpion infested deserts in the near future. The delegation is going to Southern Arizona to ascertain along with other anti-militia organizations and individuals in Arizona what needs be done to stop these armed terrorists."

The delegation's focus, according to Dr. Navarro, will be on the following three armed militias, which have been visible and active in "hunting Méxicanos" and other migrants: (1) Glenn Spencer, who leads the American Border Patrol; (2) Chris Simcox, leader of the Citizen's Border Patrol Militia; and (3) Jack Foote and Dave Stoddard of Ranch Rescue. All three groups are suspected of killing at least seven Mexican migrant workers in the Southern Arizona desert during the past 2 years.

The first stops for the leaders of the delegation, this afternoon, will be meetings with Ruben Beltrán, Consul General of Mexico in Phoenix and with Carlos Flores Visquida, Consul General of Mexico in Tucson. In Tucson, later in the evening, the delegation will meet with Arizona's "Derechos Humanos" to formulate strategies.

On Friday, the delegation will travel to the desert areas known for their heavy immigrant traffic and militia activity. A visit to the headquarters of the vigilante terrorist Glenn Spencer in Sierra Vista has been planned for the afternoon. Later in the evening, the delegation will meet with Miguel Escobar, Consul General of México in Douglas.

On Saturday, a press conference and meeting with Mexican government and political party officials in Agua Prieta, Mexico will wil be held in the morning . On Saturday late afternoon, a strategy session in Tucson will focus on the issue of the armed militias. The "Strategy Meeting on Border Crisis Issues along the México/Arizona/California/New México Borders" will include Congressman Raul Grijalva. Congressman Grijalva's district is heavily affected by border vigilantes and he has been in the forefront of combating the worsening problem of border terrorism.

The delegation is comprised of representatives from various organizations from California, Arizona, Nuevo Mexico, Texas, Illinois, New York, and Mexico. The organizations represented include La Coordinadora, Libreria del Pueblo, Mexicanos in the United States of América (MUSA), Unión del Barrio, American Friends Committee, Hispanic Round Table, Partido de La Revolución Democrática (PRD), American G.I. Forum, San Bernardino Community Service Center, Mexican American Political Association (MAPA), Mexican American Democrats (MAD), Organizacion de Mexicanos en el Exterior (OME), Jornaleros; Comité Pro Uno, Heritage of America, Labor Council for Latin American Advancement (LACLA), Service Employee International Union (SEIU)-Local 790, LaUnion Latina de Chicago, Coalición de Organizaciones Mexicanos de el Medio Este, Proyecto Libertad, and Braceros Proa . In addition, the large delegation includes faculty from the University of Texas at Arlington; the University of Nuevo Mexico; and University of California at Riverside.

[JustPiper]

Will when Hilliary cheats herself back into the WH, then she can pardon them same as they did with the Puerto Rican terrorists.

[JustPiper]

Twilight Zone- you posted 3 min before this post.

[Terridan]

Just curious...
Ya ever wonder why, when the South refused to pay the outrageous new taxes demanded by the North, and left the Union, the North declared war? Why then isn't Washington declaring war on Mexico, who is infiltrating and over populating the entire western states? Is Washington going to just leave the union? I may not make sense but my sis brought it up. We are allowing our nation to become divided and ethnisized into oblivion... Today, INS complained about Canada allowing everyone to immigrate into Canada WITHOUT any documentation. They are over run with Palestinians. HMMM, sounds like France to me!

[Joe Hadenuf]

Bump

[Coeur de Lion]

These racists need to cool their jets. If these Arizonan "terrorist activist militias" were actually as described, they'd find lots of La Raza hanged along the border!