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Despite U.S. opposition, Israel says it will remove Arafat
AP | 9/12/03 | MARK LAVIE

Posted on 09/12/2003 3:35:15 AM PDT by kattracks

JERUSALEM (AP) -- Over strong U.S. objections, Israel insisted Friday it will remove Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat as an obstacle to peace, and one Cabinet minister said Israel "doesn't take orders" from Washington.

Israeli leaders, however, left their statements intentionally vague and put off immediate action to avoid a direct clash with the United States, leave their options open and keep the Palestinian chief wary and guessing.

The 74-year-old Palestinian leader was defiant, declaring that no one will "kick me out," after thousands of Palestinians poured into streets throughout the West Bank and Gaza to support him. The Israeli threats only seemed to bolster Arafat, who has been trapped in his office for a year and a half by Israel.

Reacting to two Palestinian suicide bombings that killed 15 Israelis this week in a Jerusalem cafe and outside an army base near Tel Aviv, Israel's security Cabinet on Thursday declared Arafat "a complete obstacle" to peace, blaming him for the violence. It added that "Israel will work to remove this obstacle in the manner, at the time, and in the ways that will be decided on separately."

That wording makes room for several options: deporting Arafat, capturing him or killing him. The Haaretz daily, however, reported that when Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz talked of killing Arafat during the Cabinet meeting, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon asked him not to use that language.

U.S. Ambassador Daniel Kurtzer met with Mofaz on Friday and was expected to relay stiff U.S. opposition. Speaking to reporters before the meeting -- and with Kurtzer at his side -- Mofaz insisted Israel would act against Arafat, who he said has sabotaged peace efforts.

"The security Cabinet decided last night that Israel will act to remove the obstacle Arafat at the time and in the manner that will be decided on separately," Mofaz said. "I am convinced the state of Israel has in the past made a historic mistake by not taking this decision earlier."

Kurtzer said that the United States had not changed its position and the issue would continue to be discussed "quietly" with Israel.

On Thursday, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher reiterated the longstanding U.S. view, saying, "We think that it would not be helpful to expel (Arafat) because it would just give him another stage to play on." Along with Israel, the United States has boycotted Arafat and called him a failed leader who has a hand in terrorism.

Israel believes Arafat is at least indirectly to blame for militant attacks over the last three years of fighting and charges that he's done nothing with the security forces under his control to stop bomb attacks on Israelis.

Education Minister Limor Livnat said that despite the U.S. objections, Arafat -- whom she compared to Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden -- was no longer immune.

"Israel is an independent and sovereign state and though it has a close and friendly important relationship with America, it doesn't take orders from America," Livnat said Friday.

A poll published in a newspaper Friday, showed 60 percent of Israelis would like to see Arafat killed or exiled.

The telephone survey conducted Thursday evening by the Dahaf Institute asked a representative sample of 503 Israeli adults what should be done with Arafat. Thirty-seven percent favored assassination, 23 percent said Israel should expel him and 21 percent said he should continue to be isolated at his West Bank headquarters. Published in the Yediot Ahronot daily, the survey had a margin of error of 4.4 percentage points.

The immediate effect of the Israeli decision was an outpouring of Palestinian support for the embattled leader and Palestinian officials warned that an expulsion would wreck all chances for peace.

In Ramallah, Arafat appeared at the doorway of his sandbagged office building at his headquarters complex that was all but destroyed by Israeli tank fire and bulldozers during the last year.

Carried aloft by bodyguards, Arafat grinned broadly and flashed "V for victory" signs with his fingers at thousands of backers who rushed to the headquarters to protect him from what they feared would be an immediate Israeli move to seize him.

"We will die and you will live, old man," the crowd chanted.

Using a bullhorn, Arafat recited a passage from the Quran, the Muslim holy book, about being steadfast in the face of an oppressor. He also said: "My brothers, my loved ones, this round (of fighting) that the brave peoples are living through tells the world that this people is not afraid and will not kneel."

The Israeli decision meant that Sharon and Mofaz could decide on expelling Arafat without reconvening the Cabinet. Security officials said the army has already begun preparations for Arafat's quick ouster.

The Israeli decision came as Palestinian premier-designate Ahmed Qureia was putting together a Cabinet. Arafat picked Qureia to replace Mahmoud Abbas, who resigned Saturday. Qureia said expelling Arafat would "eliminate any possibility for me to form a Palestinian government."

"We call upon all wise people in the world to stop this crazy decision," he said.



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To: kattracks
Even if Israel does get rid of Arafat, US is still on the record for objecting to removing this terrorist leader the same way it removed the Taliban and Saddam Hussein.
41 posted on 09/12/2003 8:56:56 AM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: kattracks
The United States needs to let Israel take care of its biggest problem its own way. We need to butt out and let them alone. They don't tell US what to do as far as terrorism goes, so we need to butt out and let them handle things their way. Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem! M
42 posted on 09/12/2003 9:07:11 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: tcostell
he shoots he scores.

well said
43 posted on 09/12/2003 9:10:37 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: kattracks
The 74-year-old Palestinian leader was defiant, declaring that no one will "kick me out," after thousands of Palestinians poured into streets throughout the West Bank and Gaza to support him.

Er, now that the Israelis are no longer allowing the United States to tone down their military responses to terrorists, getting kicked out will be the least of your worries.

44 posted on 09/12/2003 9:20:23 AM PDT by lowbridge ("France is a dog-hole, and it no more merits the tread of a man's foot."- Shakespeare (All's Well..)
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To: kattracks
Over strong U.S. objections, Israel insisted Friday it will remove Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat as an obstacle to peace.

If they meant to do anything they would. Instead we have more meaningless talk that further reduces any credibility they think they might have.

Expect a massive attack during the High Holy Days.

45 posted on 09/12/2003 9:49:24 AM PDT by tubavil
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46 posted on 09/12/2003 9:57:56 AM PDT by putupon (The text in this tagline serves no purpose other than to occupy the space between the parentheses)
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To: LarryM
Oy, you're not series?
Do you just like hanging with Palestinian murderers or what?
I don't see anyone laughing, do you?
Maybe you can point them out to us.

Oh right, it's all those leftists who are laughing or are they really crying in their beer.

47 posted on 09/12/2003 10:06:00 AM PDT by tet68
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"Israel is an independent and sovereign state and though it has a close and friendly important relationship with America, it doesn't take orders from America," Livnat said Friday.

Okay, so get rid of him already. But don't make an empty threat you're not going to carry out, or you'll get a wave of terrorism you won't be able to stop without resort to extreme measures.

48 posted on 09/12/2003 12:19:32 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"Israel is an independent and sovereign state and though it has a close and friendly important relationship with America, it doesn't take orders from America," Livnat said Friday.

Okay, so get rid of him already. But don't make an empty threat you're not going to carry out, or you'll get a wave of terrorism you won't be able to stop without resort to extreme measures.

49 posted on 09/12/2003 12:19:38 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie
Okay, so get rid of him already.

I'll get right on that. :)

50 posted on 09/12/2003 12:22:57 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: kattracks
This would make Clinton jealous. To appease domestic opinion they announce something they have no intention of doing. Talk about disingenuous.
51 posted on 09/12/2003 12:24:23 PM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: tcostell
I'm not accusing you of being from DU but I am accusing you of offering no substantive arguments at all (which is kind of the calling card of a liberal). You paint this colorful imagery of Bush going from "Glorious victor" to "bumbling appeaser" but you don't talk about any facts. The change you describe happened only in your mind.

I have two words to back up my contentions: Road Map. The Road Map (actually an EU, UN, State Dept. concoction) was Bush's effort to appease the Saudis by creating a Palestinian State (on the ruins of Israel). During this stage, the State Dept. was actually negotiating with Hamas using Egypt as the intermediary. How well did that turn out? The left has been baying for at least a month about how we need to go to the UN over Iraq. What does Bush do? He goes to the UN and becomes a laughing stock. The Rats laughed at him, the French, laughed, and so did the Germans. By trying to appease his enemies, he only damaged himself. Is there something here you don't understand?

52 posted on 09/12/2003 12:35:15 PM PDT by LarryM
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To: LarryM
Is there something here you don't understand?

Oh, no... your hatred of the President is well understood. It poisons every post you make and every thread you post on.

53 posted on 09/12/2003 12:40:21 PM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: carton253
Ditto that.
54 posted on 09/12/2003 4:29:38 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: TomGuy
I would hope that the US would rather Isreal killed Arafat than expelled him. I agree expelling him is just prolonging the problem and giving him a foreign platform to continue his terrorism from. He's corrupt to the core, has pocketed United Nations Aid in the billions, killed and terrorized unrelentingly for 40 years. He needs to be eliminated period!!!! That crap about the Bush family and Oil is just so OLD. There is oil available in many other places besides Saudi Arabia. The Alberta tarsands, while more expensive to extract from, have enough oil for all of us for eons!! It's a matter of choice and the choice just may be made for us. NO Islamic is the West's friend.
55 posted on 09/12/2003 6:11:57 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Peach
Good. On this, I don't think Israel should listen to the US but rather do what they feel is best for their country. Just as we did not listen to the French and Germans in the time leading to war in Iraq.

Agreed. They have to do what they think is best for their country.

56 posted on 09/12/2003 6:16:27 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Psalm 146:3 -- Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.)
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To: kattracks
It makes me SO PISSED to see U.S. Government saying they strongly oppose the removal of Arafat. If the role was reversed, he would have been gone years ago. Stop being so political Washington, and stand by God's Chosen people.

57 posted on 09/12/2003 6:42:34 PM PDT by ranair34 (http://www.bushcountry.org)
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To: kattracks; SJackson; yonif; rdb3; Simcha7; American in Israel; spectacularbid2003; Binyamin; ...
"...The Israeli threats only seemed to bolster Arafat, who has been trapped in his office for a year and a half by Israel."

The only entity keeping Arafat "trapped" in his office is Arafat and his decades long, blind, murderous hatred of Israel.

Stand by to stand by, because if Israel decides to retake the initiative in this war on terrorism, we'll all need to be there behind them in support.

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58 posted on 09/12/2003 7:00:56 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: kattracks
Don't expoel him, kill him. The billiant thing would have been for the Israelis not to mention this and to instead infiltrate his inner circle. Doesn't the Mossad have the capability to kill someone with no trace of foul play. I think expelling him is a mistake. When he was expelled before he just learned new terror tactics, the intifada went from kids to slingshots to kids with bomb belts. It is a mistake to let that SOB go to Libya or other terror states, he will still be able to control events and he will be less accessible to the IDF--that's my two cents.
59 posted on 09/12/2003 7:06:42 PM PDT by faithincowboys (Defeat the Fifth Column Leftist Bastards)
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To: kattracks
Expel Arafat - out the back end of a C-130.
60 posted on 09/12/2003 7:26:21 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Palestinia delenda est!)
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