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Memo shows Iraq, Iran tried to contact bin Laden
The Washington Times ^ | September 12, 2003 | Eli J. Lake

Posted on 09/12/2003 3:56:52 AM PDT by Miss Marple

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:08:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Taliban claimed in a 1997 meeting with U.S. officials that it had blocked attempts by both Iraq and Iran to contact Osama bin Laden, according to a previously confidential State Department memo made public yesterday.

The memo says that the assistant secretary of state, Karl Inderfurth, was told on Dec. 7, 1997, by the Taliban's acting minister of mines and industry, Armad Jan, that his government "had stopped allowing [bin Laden] to give public interviews and had frustrated Iranian and Iraqi efforts to contact him."


(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1997; binladen; bushdoctrineunfold; clinton; iran; iraq; warlist; waronterror
So, yet ANOTHER warning that the Clinton administration ignored.

Thanks do Doctor Zin for alerting me o this sory on the Iranian thread!

1 posted on 09/12/2003 3:56:52 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
"We are now starting to see terrorists come into Iraq who could represent, and we are quite confident represent al Qaeda elements," Mr. Powell told Al Jazeera satellite television in an interview this week.

Wow! The left is looking more and more "out of touch" every day.

Great post.
2 posted on 09/12/2003 4:03:20 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Dog; hchutch; Poohbah; JohnHuang2; Grampa Dave; Howlin
Amazing what things are turning up in memos that lower-level Clintonistas left lying around. They couldn't get everything to the library in Little Rock, apparently.
3 posted on 09/12/2003 4:05:23 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
suicide=homicide bump
4 posted on 09/12/2003 4:10:33 AM PDT by grumple
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To: Miss Marple
fnc TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW
5 posted on 09/12/2003 4:11:09 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Miss Marple
Bingo, my friend.
6 posted on 09/12/2003 4:16:33 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Miss Marple
This memo was just mentioned on Fox and Friends.
7 posted on 09/12/2003 4:17:11 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2; Miss Marple; Peach; Dog
"I never saw any evidence in anything I was doing where there were any Iraqi connections,"

Standard Clintonista lame attempt at deflecting damning evidence. Next, he will state that his diary lied to him.

8 posted on 09/12/2003 4:41:11 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: Miss Marple
Amazing what things are turning up in memos that lower-level Clintonistas left lying around. They couldn't get everything to the library in Little Rock, apparently.

Well, when you have to choose between filing memos or destroying & pilfering office equipment/supplies, which would you choose?

9 posted on 09/12/2003 4:42:04 AM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Peach
"We are now starting to see terrorists come into Iraq who could represent, and we are quite confident represent al Qaeda elements," Mr. Powell told Al Jazeera satellite television in an interview this week. Wow! The left is looking more and more "out of touch" every day.

They are coming to Iraq now, because of the collapse of order.

10 posted on 09/12/2003 4:44:06 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Miss Marple
"I never saw any evidence in anything I was doing where there were any Iraqi connections," said Mr. Inderfurth, who was the Clinton administration's senior State Department official for South Asia.

It all depends on what your definition of "evidence" is.

11 posted on 09/12/2003 4:51:02 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Peach
Darn! I was out on my morning walk! What did they say?
12 posted on 09/12/2003 5:02:52 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: A. Pole
They are coming to Iraq now, because of the collapse of order.

AQ is fighting for their very survival and taking advantage of a temporary situation in Iraq. In that you care correct.

However, AQ and Iraq began working together after the first Gulf War. Hussein's sons mentioned this in their OWN STATE RUN NEWSPAPER some months before the war this year.

Additionally, there is ample evidence of OBL/AQ and Iraq working together. I have links to dozens of articles/books about this subject matter, but have come to understand there are some who do not want to believe in this linkage between the groups. Such is life.

13 posted on 09/12/2003 5:06:56 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Miss Marple
FNC opened it with a comment like "And so you've heard criticism that there isn't any linkage between Iraq and AQ, hmmm? Well, listen to this."

They then proceeded to mention the things in this article and seemed to be quoting some of it.

That's all I remember - let's hope some of the other networks pick up on it. Hope springs eternal.
14 posted on 09/12/2003 5:10:17 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Miss Marple
Great post, Miss Marple. I too heard the short coverage on Fox and Friends this morning just as Peach has described it. If either former co-president had a smidgen of conscience, you'd think one of them would have mentioned this link sometime in the past two years. Apparently they could care less who is in the network of terrorists attacking our country.
15 posted on 09/12/2003 5:33:04 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Miss Marple
BTTT.
16 posted on 09/12/2003 5:34:43 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: Peach
I have links to dozens of articles/books about this subject matter, but have come to understand there are some who do not want to believe in this linkage between the groups. Such is life.

Don't ever give up trying to educate others...

While the Prague meeting has been refuted by some officials, people seem to forget that Farouk Hijazi, an Iraqi intelligence officer met with bin Laden in Kandahar in Dec 1998.

Also forgotten is that in 1998, two of bin Laden’s senior military commanders, Muhammad Abu-Islam and Abdullah Qassim, visited Baghdad for discussions with Qusay Hussein. This and info on other meetings can be found here.

Also in 1998, an Arab intelligence officer, who knows Saddam personally, predicted in Newsweek: "Very soon you will be witnessing large-scale terrorist activity run by the Iraqis." The Arab official said these terror operations would be run under "false flags" --spook-speak for front groups--including bin Laden's organization.

Then there were the predictions by an Iraqi with ties to Iraqi intelligence, Naeem Abd Mulhalhal, in Qusay's own newspaper several weeks before the attacks that stated bin Laden would “demolish the Pentagon after he destroys the White House and ”bin Laden would strike America “on the arm that is already hurting.” (referencing a second IRAQI sponsored attack on the World Trade Center). Another reference to New York was “[bin Laden] will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra everytime he hears his songs.” (e.g., “New York, New York”) which identified New York, New York as a target. Mulhalhal also stated, “The wings of a dove and the bullet are all but one and the same in the heart of a believer." which references an airplane attack.

The Arabic language daily newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabic also cited the cooperation between Iraq, bin Laden and Al December 1998 editorial, which predicted that “President Saddam Hussein, whose country was subjected to a four day air strike, will look for support in taking revenge on the United States and Britain by cooperating with Saudi oppositionist Osama Bin-Laden, whom the United States considers to be the most wanted person in the world.” This info is in the link provided in the para above. How could these people have had foreknowledge without Iraq being involved?

And what about Ramzi Yousef (known to his associates as "Rashid the Iraqi, was convicted of the 1993 WTC bombing and entered the US on an Iraqi passport) and his uncle Khalid Shaikh Mohammed who was the paymaster for bin Laden.

There are just too many things that point to Iraqi involvement, even without the refuted evidence.

17 posted on 09/12/2003 5:53:21 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Miss Marple; *war_list; *Bush Doctrine Unfold
"I'm sure some Iraqi official met with some al Qaeda somewhere, but that does not demonstrate that two are working closely together."

One wonders what would constitute sufficient proof that the Iraqis and Al Qaeda were "working closely together" for the Georgetown set. Apparently, training camps, funding, intelligence contacts, and overtures are not enough.

Tasty Manatees
18 posted on 09/12/2003 5:54:36 AM PDT by TastyManatees (http://www.tastymanatees.com)
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To: ravingnutter
Thank you for posting those links; I've saved them (again) in my personal favorites.

If only we could MAKE people read, we could educate millions. haha
19 posted on 09/12/2003 5:55:53 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Miss Marple
I'm sure that truck loads of memos and confidential stuff that the Clintoons wanted out of circulation ended up in their LIEbrary for a few minutes.

Then they were shredded by the huge shredder the Clintoons keep around for those special moments.
20 posted on 09/12/2003 7:01:03 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: Miss Marple
I think Bush is now stuck taking on too much of Clinton's messy diapers. The interesting thing is that Bush seems to relsih the task, but does not want to drag his predecessor through the mud. That is someting I cannot for the life of me understand.

In addition, I think the American people are very understanding, once they know the circumstances. I am sure there are security reasons and international relationship reasons as to why we do not publish more of this, but once again, I think the terrorism war is serious enough to allow Bush to "level" with the public....thoughts?

21 posted on 09/12/2003 7:19:47 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: irish guard
I think it best to let this information come out from other sources. Anything Bush says or does against Clinton will fire up the Rat base and leave him open to charges of politicizing the war, etc. etc.

However, two books are currently out on Clinton's security failures, and little drips like this week after week are gradually seeping into the American consciousness. Plus, Clinton must be afraid of something...he has been awfully quiet lately.

Bush vehemently believes in courtesy and not attacking a prior officeholder by name. He also knows that this election coming up is already going to be divisive...throwing fuel on the fire won't help the country.

22 posted on 09/12/2003 7:52:11 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: A. Pole
They are coming to Iraq now, because of the collapse of order.

Bosh. If Iraq was as calm as Sweden by now it wouldn't make a lick of difference to the terrorists. Like Afghanistan before it, they come to Iraq to fight and kill the Infidel who fights for the liberation of those whom they seek to oppress.

23 posted on 09/12/2003 7:59:56 AM PDT by AHerald
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To: Peach
However, AQ and Iraq began working together after the first Gulf War.

No, they did not.

Hussein's sons mentioned this in their OWN STATE RUN NEWSPAPER some months before the war this year.

Look, Hussein's sons could claim that they have lunch with Elvis Presley every Tuesday but you should not take it at face value, even if it were printed black and white in "their OWN STATE RUN NEWSPAPER".

24 posted on 09/12/2003 6:15:51 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Peach
I have links to dozens of articles/books about this subject matter, but have come to understand there are some who do not want to believe in this linkage between the groups. Such is life.

Hey, majority of Americans believe that Iraqis were among the WTC bombers. Are you the part of this majority?

25 posted on 09/12/2003 6:19:22 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Miss Marple
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26 posted on 09/12/2003 10:33:22 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: A. Pole
At least one Iraqi WAS in the WTC bombing plot.
27 posted on 09/13/2003 4:57:51 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
At least one Iraqi WAS in the WTC bombing plot.

Sources, please. What did he do?

28 posted on 09/13/2003 5:09:44 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
Ramzi Yousef entered the US on an Iraqi passport. You can find multiple references to this on Google.
29 posted on 09/13/2003 5:12:39 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
Ramzi Yousef entered the US on an Iraqi passport.

It was a very clever disguise. Probably he wanted to turn the attention away from with his secret links with McVeigh co-conspirator Terry Nichols . Besides, Iraqi passport at that time was the best way to get easy entry to America.

Give me a break, Miss.

30 posted on 09/13/2003 2:57:16 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
Gee, how did he get an Iraqi passport? Answer: THROUGH THE IRAQI GOVERMENT!

Go right ahead with your denial of a connection which is obvious to almost the entire nation. I have given you proof: you don't want to accept it.

Pbbbt!

31 posted on 09/13/2003 3:01:28 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
Go right ahead with your denial of a connection which is obvious to almost the entire nation.

Entire nation (97% in EVERY nation) give different answers to the IQ test that the 3% with IQ above 130. So? The truth is not democratic.

I have given you proof: you don't want to accept it. Pbbbt!

That he entered US on Iraqi passport?! PROOF for what?!

32 posted on 09/13/2003 3:08:43 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: irish guard
"The interesting thing is that Bush seems to relsih the task,
but does not want to drag his predecessor through the mud.
That is someting I cannot for the life of me understand."

There are many others who are more than willing
to expose the Clintons. Bush doesn't have to get involved.

33 posted on 09/13/2003 3:11:05 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: A. Pole
Proof of an Iraqi connection, which you denied.

Go ahead and follow those Rat type folks, who think there is no connection. I am done trying to talk to you, because if Saddam Hussein had been photographed passing money to Osama bin Laden, you would say the photo was doctored. You just refuse to believe anything that contradicts your mind-set.

34 posted on 09/13/2003 3:15:24 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
I am done trying to talk to you

Hey, you live in a free country so you have right to your opinions.

35 posted on 09/13/2003 3:19:52 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
Yes, I have a right to my opinions. I also have a right to not waste my time.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

36 posted on 09/13/2003 3:21:27 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Inderfurth: "I never saw any evidence in anything I was doing where there were any Iraqi connections,"

You: "Standard Clintonista lame attempt at deflecting damning evidence. Next, he will state that his diary lied to him."

Exactly! Inderfurth starts by saying the Taliban's claim "was not credible at the time". By which he apparently means there were no attempts -- to his knowledge. But how would he know?

And, to him, this is somehow evidence that there were no attempts. He prefers to stick his head in the sand and deny the more likely probability.


37 posted on 09/13/2003 3:47:27 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: okie01
saying the Taliban's claim "was not credible at the time".

You nailed it. Typical word parsing to cover up.

Where do these POS learn to conducts themselves?

38 posted on 09/13/2003 3:58:44 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
"Where do these POS learn to conduct themselves?"

One hesitates to blurt out "Ivy League colleges". But here is Inderfurth's biography. UNC, Fulbright scholar (Strathclyde), Princeton, State Department, UN, etc. It speaks for itself...

When lying is second nature and truth ever optional, you get creeps like this.

One wonders how GWB managed to avoid the taint. But I have the distinct impression that he was notably unimpressed by his fellow students and professors at Yale and Harvard. I'm thinking the Ivies are under-represented at the highest levels of his administration.

39 posted on 09/13/2003 4:37:38 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: okie01
One wonders how GWB managed to avoid the taint. But I have the distinct impression that he was notably unimpressed by his fellow students and professors at Yale and Harvard.

Great points, especially about the TRUTH, being a mere option.

Everytime I hear or read the slithering, shifting words of one of these reptiles, my baser nature comes to the fore, and rather than reason, I simply want to strangle.

40 posted on 09/13/2003 6:28:50 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: DoctorZIn

Have you seen this old article? I didn't know if you needed it, or not. :)


41 posted on 05/23/2004 7:45:26 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Pride the first peer and president of hell.-- Daniel Defoe)
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