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THE DEBATE! DID YOU SEE WHAT I SAW?
Dad / Chef / Author, CookingWithCarlo.vom ^ | Sept 12, 2003 | Carlo3b

Posted on 09/12/2003 7:21:01 AM PDT by carlo3b

THE DEBATE! DID YOU SEE WHAT I SAW?

A TRUE CAUSE FOR ALARM

While watching the debate last evening between the nine candidates for the nomination for the Democratic party, I was struck by the differences between those people on the TV and the people that I interact with everyday. It wasn't just the level of rhetoric spoken by the participants, one expects that the parties in a contest must clarify the divisions separating each, but it was the level of unmitigated bias and hatred loaded in the questions posed by the supposed news journalist, the answers given, and the audience responses. It was not only shocking, but very sad.

There seemed to be a visceral hatred, and a deep gulf between what we think of America in general and what they think of Americans in particular.

They have honed the art of fear, knowing if they keep an uninformed populous in constant fear, and demonize the other side with lies and falsehoods, unharnessed by a willing accomplice in the free press, they know that in the minds of far too many, Fear wins. Healthcare, Social Security, War, Recession, Race..THEY ARE COMING!

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
-H. L. Mencken

Now please don't get me wrong, I am not a Milquetoast kind of guy on any issue, (HA!) but I am an eternal optimist by nature. It wasn't at all a surprise that I wouldn't agree with most, if any of the positions taken by every candidate on the Democrat ticket. Nor am I suggesting that all Democrats are un-American or anti-American because they disagree with me. I am afraid that we disagree on what are the most fundamental tenants of our form of government, natural law and a moral culture. They cloak their insidious message in a controlled dialogue, and feeding empty platitudes, like fairness, equality, inclusion, and diversity. When it is the very opposite that they practice.

"There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action."
-Johann von Goethe

There was an absence of pride in the tone of every speaker. There were no words of optimism, no claim of greatness on their part. Only lesser degrees of despair. At one point they argued over which one would take back the Bush tax refund money quicker, that the viewers had just received in the mail. Much to my shock, to the rousing applause of the audience. They couldn't articulate enough their utter disgust of our victory in Iraq, and their love of an international control of our sovereignty.

"The politicians don't just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless. When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both."
-James Dale Davidson

They fed the illusion, that we must take more from the Americans that produce, and give more domestically, and world wide, to whom they define as those in need.

"From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need."
-Karl Marx

They mocked our morals, and spat out the hatred of their President and Commander-in-Chief, knowing full well that our enemy combatants are watching and that their words were going to bolster their resolve. They would rather do nothing than fight for our safety, peace through passivity, appeasement, and swords into plowshares. Abandon the war, and de-fund the military. That is now, as it has always been, the recipe for war. They are a ship of hope that seems bound to be sunk by the enemy of opportunism.  No matter how earnestly we seek world peace there is always some war bent person, who's ideology and ambition that will kill peace in its infancy.

"To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace."
-President George Washington

We must ask ourselves, all Americans, the single most important question defining our most crucial national interest.  If Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong II, Adolf Hitler, or Joseph Stalin, had a choice of whom they wished would win the next presidential election, which would the choose? Any of the nine candidates vying for the Democratic nomination, or President George W Bush?

The bottom line is I believe we are at a crossroads in this great country, and the two party system is at least working better than we even imagined. The divide is crystal clear. The Democrats have figured out that the more they make us dependent, the more power they have to keep feeding the insatiable beast, more taxes from the hard workers, less payers to object. In the end game, everyone is a victim, and socialism, as it always has, will fail miserably, and so will we all.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury.
Alexander Tytler

The Republicans, for the most part, believe in the power of the people. However, to be elected, one must start with getting elected, and staying in power long enough to make the incremental changes to the betterment of all. But you have to get elected, and that sometimes is the Achilles heal of politics. Whom is saying what, to get in a position to do well, for the most, and which is a wolf in sheep's clothing?  That dilemma is fraught with danger, and we are more often sodomized that satisfied. Trust your instincts, but verify your conclusions.

Trust, but Verify
-President Ronald Reagan

But you must vote, and hope!

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
-Plato

When we look at the results of every pole, and most elections.. it has a clear and defined separation between the givers and the takers, the can do, and the won't try. So far, we are winning, but only by a razor thin plurality.

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."
-Sam Ewig

And I, for the first time in my life, believe that I understand the pre War mentality. Stop it early, or suffer the regret, forever. I think I can see road signs, red flags, omens of history, beckoning us to beware of the danger ahead.

"History is a vast early warning system."
-Norman Cousins

The only thing that can bring the masses of those that will not educate themselves to the issues, or the consequences, is guidance and insistence. In that endeavor we can not be dissuaded. But should that fail, the only alternative is to out maneuver, overwhelm, and ultimately overtake.  Nothing short of the future of our Republic is at stake.

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-George Santayana

We must be stronger in our resolve, quicker in our responses, definite in our purpose.

"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have."
-Margaret Mead

It is we, who must bring this country together, sooner rather than later. It is we, who must take control of events before we, and all of America, have events control our destiny. Our country is divided, and it is we, who must bring it together before it is too far gone and much too late to repair.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently half-slave and half-free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved - I do not expect the house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other."
-President Lincoln

For those with the power of persuasion, must persuade! For those with the knack of organization, must organize! For those with the power of the purse, must spend for the cause.. donate!. And for all of us, VOTE, and VOTE, and VOTE, and VOTE!

"Live free or die."
-New Hampshire State Motto



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2004; alarm; debate; elections; liberalism; politics
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"Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter."
-Thomas Jefferson,
1 posted on 09/12/2003 7:21:01 AM PDT by carlo3b
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To: carlo3b
If the 2004 election turns out to be razor thin again I am going to be very afraid.
2 posted on 09/12/2003 7:23:30 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: carlo3b
It isn't all that new. Remember during the Clinton "regime" EVERYTHING was a CRISIS.

____fill in the blank_______ crisis.

It seemed like there was a daily event that was a "crisis." The nine dwarves have learned from their master.

3 posted on 09/12/2003 7:26:47 AM PDT by EggsAckley (........I believe in using the abuse button......)
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To: Jim Robinson; Bob J; christie; stanz; jellybean; Angelique; Howie; TwoStep; piasa; Exit148; ...
"Bluntness is a virtue."
-Allison Ling

4 posted on 09/12/2003 7:27:12 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b
Oh, and, great post, btw.

Cheers!
5 posted on 09/12/2003 7:27:20 AM PDT by EggsAckley (........I believe in using the abuse button......)
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To: carlo3b
"Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter."
-Thomas Jefferson,


That was when there were still words like HONOR, INTEGRITY, COURAGE.....
6 posted on 09/12/2003 7:28:52 AM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: carlo3b
Great post! Good work.
7 posted on 09/12/2003 7:29:53 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: carlo3b
Dear Carlo, this recipe is not as good as your usual posts! ;-)
8 posted on 09/12/2003 7:30:40 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: Semper Paratus
If the 2004 election turns out to be razor thin again I am going to be very afraid.

Prepare to be scared to death.. By the sound of the early volleys, it's going to be the Mother of all Horror Flicks!!

9 posted on 09/12/2003 7:30:55 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
this recipe is not as good as your usual posts! ;-)

However hard to swallow, it is a recipe for success! ..:o)

10 posted on 09/12/2003 7:32:40 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b
Now do I bake these rats in the oven or do I charcoal them on my big Weber?
11 posted on 09/12/2003 7:33:27 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: carlo3b; 1riot1ranger; Action-America; Alkhin; Allegra; alnick; American72; antivenom; ...
What a ping!

As always, a FReep mail will get you on or off this Houston topics ping list.

---

Flyer

12 posted on 09/12/2003 7:33:29 AM PDT by Flyer (I left my tag line in Humblegunner's truck)
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To: carlo3b
The libs are using the same old crap- frightening folks with trumped up charges, slamming the current administration, and standing up for nothing, and going against everything. I heard a lady from Florida on Rush yesterday, and she was a classic example of how the liberal media is spinning the war on Iraq far from the truth. I pray that the majority of Americans know the truth, or at least can find it before 11/04.
13 posted on 09/12/2003 7:33:57 AM PDT by rintense (9-11-01: Never Forget.)
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To: Semper Paratus
If the 2004 election turns out to be razor thin again I am going to be very afraid.

My husband and I were just talking about this the night of the debate. There's no way the red states are going to let Hillary take over this country -- especially if there is voter fraud in the big cities in the blue states again.

14 posted on 09/12/2003 7:35:34 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: Grampa Dave
Now do I bake these rats in the oven or do I charcoal them on my big Weber?

We need to FRY these ba$tards!! LOLOL

15 posted on 09/12/2003 7:36:16 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b
>"Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter." -- Thomas Jefferson

Oh great! Now we must
puzzle out if everything
Thomas Jefferson

wrote was as stupid
and totally off the mark
as this one, dumb quote...

16 posted on 09/12/2003 7:37:39 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: carlo3b
BTTT
17 posted on 09/12/2003 7:38:15 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("What is impossible with men is possible with GOD -Luke 18:27)
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To: carlo3b
THE DEBATE! DID YOU SEE WHAT I SAW


What debate? That was no debate.All they did was bash the president. You'd think they are planning to share the presidency if President Bush loses his re-election, which of course he will not
18 posted on 09/12/2003 7:38:18 AM PDT by Kaslin (Advice to Hillary. Please engage brain before opening mouth)
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To: rintense
I heard a lady from Florida on Rush yesterday, and she was a classic example of how the liberal media is spinning the war on Iraq far from the truth.

I heard her as well, and was screeming at my radio.. note to self, only 1 cup of coffee before talk radio.. ;)

19 posted on 09/12/2003 7:38:20 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b
Excellent.
20 posted on 09/12/2003 7:38:45 AM PDT by Hildy (SUCKER: Short-sighted Uncompromising Conservative Kool-Aid-drinking Elitist Republican.)
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To: carlo3b
Great post. Bookmarked.
21 posted on 09/12/2003 7:40:02 AM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: Flyer
A worthwhile read. Thank you.
22 posted on 09/12/2003 7:40:20 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: carlo3b
Thank you so much for your great essay!
23 posted on 09/12/2003 7:40:40 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Kaslin
If he does lose this election it will be time to lock and load. The Rats would invite terrorist into the country with open arms.
24 posted on 09/12/2003 7:41:33 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: theFIRMbss
newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter." -- Thomas Jefferson...
wrote was as stupid and totally off the mark as this one, dumb quote...

I guess he figured you can't be taxed or thrown in jail by an editor!

25 posted on 09/12/2003 7:42:19 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b
It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.

--John Philpot Curran

26 posted on 09/12/2003 7:43:03 AM PDT by brewcrew
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To: Kaslin
That was no debate.All they did was bash the president.

That pretty much sums it up!..:O)

27 posted on 09/12/2003 7:43:37 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b; .45MAN; FreedomPoster
((((Carlo)))) I won't lie...I didn't watch the debate. *BUT* everything you say rings crystal clear based on my environment here in the People's Socialist Republik of Atlanta.

The Democrats have figured out that the more they make us dependent, the more power they have to keep feeding the insatiable beast, more taxes from the hard workers, less payers to object. In the end game, everyone is a victim, and socialism, as it always has, will fail miserably, and so will we all.

This has been my *life* since moving here nearly 5 years ago. You must be fortunate enough to live in a fairly conservative area because all of this sounds like it is a revelation to you. People I interact with at work (save for a handful), out in public, etc. all *live* the demonRATic way of life. It is like a disease that has gutted their brains. They walk mindlessly through life expecting and anticipating that this is what life is all about.

You are so right - activism is where it's at. And, a little bit of "conservative radicalism" doesn't hurt. We saw that here in Atlanta last March during the pro-America rallies.

We ***SHALL*** overcome!

28 posted on 09/12/2003 7:43:38 AM PDT by dansangel (***Never Forget!****)
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To: carlo3b
The debate was held at Morgan State which is an all black college and I suspect the audience was the same. The candidates pandered to this important democrat voting block. If these guys go in front of the KKK next week, they will pander to them as well.

The thinking of american blacks is one of hatred toward america, that they are at the bottom of the heap and they deserve and are owed more. Frankly, they are at the bottom, they do deserve more, but they don't understand that the only way they will get more is to be like the rest of us. That is work hard, try to learn more everyday, obey the law, don't abuse drugs, and if you want kids, get and stay married.

Anyway, your despondence over the audience is undeserved. They were black, a sub nation separate and apart from the way the rest of us think. Most of america is not like the audience that you saw and heard.
29 posted on 09/12/2003 7:43:40 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: carlo3b
When the Dems finally ger a candidate they will have to moderate or lose 49 states. Raw meat soundbites at a very Liberal college will not cut it.
30 posted on 09/12/2003 7:45:04 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Por La Raza Mierda.)
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To: headsonpikes
Thank you.. We do need to be prepard for whats to come..They were just warming up!
31 posted on 09/12/2003 7:45:12 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b
I tried to watch the 9 dwarves debate but when it was not a debate but a contest of who could bash Bush the hardest, I turned it off. You are one tough fella to watch that whole thing with out having your head explode. My husband watched & he was constantly screaming f--- you! I don't need that kind of stress.
32 posted on 09/12/2003 7:45:39 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: carlo3b
This division, this gap you've witnessed, helps form the basis of a bloody war in the future.

The seed from which it germinated was created when political correctness deemed it rude to discuss religion or politics in public.
33 posted on 09/12/2003 7:45:58 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: carlo3b
bump
34 posted on 09/12/2003 7:46:08 AM PDT by don-o
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To: freeperfromnj; carlo3b
There's no way the red states are going to let Hillary take over this country

It wasn't Hillary taking over the country that scared me the other night when I was watching the debate. It was the fear of the UN taking over the country, and having the "new" President allow and encourage it that scared me.

I admit that I am highly partisan, but I asked my son if people in the US didn't understand that each and every candidate (Lieberman to a lesser extent) up there was endorsing the UN to make our countries foreign policies.

35 posted on 09/12/2003 7:48:20 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: carlo3b
By the sound of the early volleys, it's going to be the Mother of all Horror Flicks!!

I already can't stand it. Without panicing, I'm genuinely afraid for the nation at this point. The DemonCraps only want to divide us. And divided we CAN fall. I was just thinking this morning that we are likely to need counseling after the upcoming campaigns. Or straight-jackets.

The Democrats are truly becoming "Al Qaeda, Western Division".

Prairie

36 posted on 09/12/2003 7:48:28 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (God rest the souls of the 9-11 victims. We Will Never Forget.)
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To: carlo3b
"Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter." -Thomas Jefferson,

Jefferson didn't have a paper like the Palm Springs Desert Sun! (Ca.)They print from two to five "Bush-Bashing" letters daily and rarely a rebuttal. You know they must get tons of rebuttals in this, a conservative community.

Anti-gun letters are a shoo-in, try sending them a pro-second amendment letter and see whether it gets published. Pro homo letters are daily fare, almost never a disparaging word. All editorials are from a liberal point of view with an occasional rebuttal.

37 posted on 09/12/2003 7:52:44 AM PDT by Howie
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To: carlo3b
Good post, I forgot to say!!
38 posted on 09/12/2003 7:53:29 AM PDT by Howie
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To: carlo3b
Carlo...you never cease to amaze me and this is proof of your well rounded life and abilities...
39 posted on 09/12/2003 7:55:03 AM PDT by tubebender (FReeRepublic...How bad have you got it...)
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To: Howie
Palm Springs Desert Sun... All editorials are from a liberal point of view with an occasional rebuttal.

Consider the alternitive my dear friend, what would for bird cage lining without them...Hmmmmm? :^)

40 posted on 09/12/2003 7:56:29 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: Hildy
Thank you Hildy, It's never too early to prepare.. This is a fight for the whole ball of twine!
41 posted on 09/12/2003 7:58:37 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b
damn fine sauce
42 posted on 09/12/2003 8:00:40 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: carlo3b
Dang fine post! Thanks.
43 posted on 09/12/2003 8:01:55 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: MotleyGirl70
I felt as though I was watching a Saturday Night Live skit, and someone was going to turn to the camera and say "LIVE, IT'S SATURDAY NIGHT". but of course it wasn't it turned out to be a rerun of a b-class 60's slasher movie!
44 posted on 09/12/2003 8:02:48 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: theFIRMbss
Color me stupitt then, because I agree, even as disgusting as our media is. Liberty and individual freedom scares you, huh?
45 posted on 09/12/2003 8:05:46 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: Liberal Classic
Our goals are clear, we must take California, then WORK, WORK, WORK to take enough Senate seats (60) to let President pick some great judges!
46 posted on 09/12/2003 8:05:57 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: Ditter
Hey Ditter, I watched the debate but came away with a very clear understanding that these nine pricks are SO unqualified to lead this nation that only morons will support one of them. Have faith brothers and sisters, the Dems have begun a slide from which they will not recover, even wih incessant support from the evil f&^%s in the mainstream media. Of course it is paramount to tell your friends and family the importance of voting against these destructive imps that wish nothing for the U.S. and only care about personal and political gain.

The left has outed itself in this country - as a bunch of whining, hand-wringing crybabies with nothing to offer. The American public will see this clearly. Have faith, AND REMEMBER TO VOTE!!!

God Bless.
47 posted on 09/12/2003 8:07:40 AM PDT by mallardx
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To: dansangel; carlo3b; All
This was a great post.. As dansy stated we did not watch the debate.. I have not fully recovered yet and I cannot afford a major rise in my blood pressure at this time, I know what was said without hearing. It's the same over and over
mindless dribble that is easily soaked up by the blind masses of democratic socialism......We must show them that we as a group have the intelligence to see thru there evil
ways...
48 posted on 09/12/2003 8:13:28 AM PDT by .45MAN (We are americans bound together by history and love of freedom. We will not forget!!)
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To: 68 grunt
>Liberty and individual freedom scares you, huh?

Slaves who just don't know
they're slaves are the most enslaved...
They can't even fight...

Social oppression --
mental oppression -- caused by
the media's fake

reality dropped
in everyone's mind SCARES ME
more than politics.

49 posted on 09/12/2003 8:13:33 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: mallardx
Mallardx,
Agreed, only morons will vote for these, and yes, we should try to tell friends and family who really don't spend the time to see the whole picture, however, when my husband and I try to do just that, the level that otherwise intelligent people we know have been brainwashed, scares the living daylights out of us for our future!! Thank God for the people here on FR, and especially you Carlo, for your excellent post!
50 posted on 09/12/2003 8:16:23 AM PDT by lilmsdangrus
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