In Danny Pearl Book, Lévy Says Next 9/11 Brewing in Pakistan

The New York Observer ^ | 9/13/2003 | Ron Rosenbaum

[ccmay]

most of all to place control of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons—the so-called "Islamic bomb"—at the disposal of the worldwide Islamic crusade against the infidels of the West.

I hope we have plans in place to deal with the Paki scum. They are even more dangerous than North Korea.

Perhaps we should help provoke a war between Pakistan and India, and supply India with the means to wipe out most of Pakistan.

The world needs to be taught a very sharp lesson. I don't think Afghanistan and Iraq were nearly sufficient.

-ccm

[Filibuster_60]

Bush and Rummy have perfected dispersing rival armies and overturning their governments with light or ultralight forces, and few casualties.

Yeah, but we're talking about minor-league opponents like Afghanistan and Iraq. In the former case, a really antiquated adversary that didn't have the means to hit back with anything. In the latter, an army that for the most part disbanded upon bombardment. None of this applies to Pakistan. To think that Musharraf occupies the same position as Saddam is ridiculous. Pakistani resistance won't collapse with the collapse of the central government - which is largely ineffectual to begin with. Their military is the one institution that has historically united an otherwise fragmented nation, and if attacked by any foreign interest, it will strike back savagely in any way it can.

In fact Al Qaeda would like nothing better than us to invade Pakistan. Their sympathizers are definitely behind the nuclear standoffs with India, and relative moderates like Musharraf always have to restrain them at the last minute. It's not an inaccurate observation that huge swathes of Pakistan are ripe for a fundamentalist takeover, and defeat in a conventional war against either US or India will provide the perfect opportunity for the extremists to seize the spotlight.

We have to tread carefully when dealing with both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. They're far bigger challenges in the long run than either Iran or North Korea, because however untrustworthy their leaders are, their general populations hate America and Israel even more, owing to an unfortunate combination of circumstances beyond our control.

[Filibuster_60]

India already has the means to wipe out most of Pakistan, but at the same time Pakistan has the means to wipe out much of India. Their nuclear arms have pretty much guaranteed Pakistan's security, as more than once in the past 5 years, the Indians have had to ease their confrontational stance once Pakistan hinted they'd use nukes.

[PhilDragoo]

China's assistance made Pakistan's nuclear weapons program possible.

Pakistan's intervention made the Taliban/al Qaeda alliance successful.

Bill Richardson was sent by the Clintons to paralyze the Northern Alliance by accepting the cease-fire which the Taliban used to rearm via Pakistan.

Bill Richardson (and Madeleine albright and Jimmy Carter) provided the cover for North Korea's development of nuclear weapons--with China's assistance.

The Clinton's masked the participation of Iraq and Osama bin Laden/al Qaeda in a series of events.

Woolsey (and Laurie Mylorie) knew Ramzi Yousef was an Iraqi agent.

Ramzi Yousef may have met with Terry Nichols in the Philippines. John Doe Number Two was a Republican Guard veteran (per Jayna Davis).

Was TWA Flight 800 hit by a shoulder-launched missile from bin Laden operatives in the fast boat?

Can the next thirteen and a half months elapse without a domestic terror attack engineered by the previous American regime, so patently terrorist-friendly?

Robert Baer in See No Evil was after the perp of the 1983 Beirut Embassy bombing when Tony Lake hung a bogus assassination-attempt wrap on him vis a vis Saddam Hussein.

Tenet seems averse to any Iraqi-al Qaeda connection, and the CIA was putting a foreign ICBM threat off fifteen years when Chia Pet Il threw the Taepo Dong over Japan August 1998.

It is devoutly to be wished the new administration is doggedly pursuing the threats in those dark places the Clintons held sacrosanct.

And will neutralize them before the Clintons make them part of their return to power.

China's Nuclear Exports and Assistance to Pakistan

[risk]

It is devoutly to be wished the new administration is doggedly pursuing the threats in those dark places the Clintons held sacrosanct.

Thank you. You've expressed that I've been trying to say with my post-9/11/2003 comments over the past two days in one sentence.

[BOBTHENAILER]

to end Pakistan’s alliance with the U.S. in favor of a pro–Al Qaeda "Islamist" foreign policy, and most of all to place control of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons—the so-called "Islamic bomb"—at the disposal of the worldwide Islamic crusade against the infidels of the West.

The logic of this is so striking, it is unavoidable.

Al Qaeda has long been known to have close ties with certain ISI members.

The ULTIMATE weapon was always right next door. Why would they NOT pursue the acquisition of either a weapon, or weapons grade material for a dirty bomb?

I can only assume that Bush and Rummy are hot on the trail of this chilling possibility.

Clinton, Mr. & Ms., have sold us down the drain, only to be stymied by a stubborn FL Dem. Judge, and the subsequent brilliance of the post 911 campaign handled by Bush & Rummy.

There will be a time for reckoning for Slick & his lesbo w!tch.

[BOBTHENAILER]

Thank you. You've expressed that I've been trying to say with my post-9/11/2003 comments over the past two days in one sentence.

I'll second your thanks. See my post $36.

[risk]

>>>> I think [the Islamo-fascists] are not entirely self-motivated.

My guess: they are 99% self-motivated by Arab nationalism. Nationalism gives the individual a greater sense of belonging, a larger purpose in life. It doesn't have to be positive, like American patriotism -- it can be any government or movement to unite a people by race or creed. Who might benefit? Sometimes the Chinese side with one mideast group or another, but I think it's Machiavellian on their part. France, Germany, and Russia also have irons in the fire. But they stand to lose much if they can't continue accessing the oil on the free market. In short, the west (plus China) pay a lot of money to the mideast, which in turn, is used to stoke the fires of brooding (if stunted) nationalism. On its own, Islam and all its related cultures give mideast people a stronger sense of history and meaning, albeit a hollow one. But it motivates them in so many ways.

Pan-Arab nationalism has everything that Hitler had going for him except one government. It can and will go farther because it only needs a religious concept -- not even a specific dogma. I doubt it even needs one particular sect to be cohesive. And I blame that cohesiveness on a primitivist neomedievalism, an erector set religion which justifies militarism for spreading its beliefs, and anti-semitism. And all of that I blame on the human need to belong to a larger purpose.

For the west, I can sum up our higher purpose: freedom of conscience and commerce. In pursuing that goal, we obtained a great deal of power. For pan-Arab nationalists? A fearless ambition to geopolitical power directly without earning it.

Before I continue, I'd like to digress on anti-semitism, because I think it may have provided a common motif for anti-modernists of all stripes, from Mao to Khoemeni. ("Market capitalism" anyone?)

Over the years I have come to believe that anti-semitism has a force of its own. I was raised to understand that due to the mobility of the Jews and their commitment to learning, they have come to be treated as scapegoats throughout European history. The printing press and the advent of recorded media has now spread this disease all over the world. You can find discussion of the protocols of Zion in Japan before the second world war, for example. Adolf Hitler observed the mayor of Vienna using anti-semitism to unite his constituents, and he grasped it as a political tool. There is a link between the Mufti of Jerusalem during the 1930s and Adolf Hitler, and it extends to Arafat and Saddam Hussein. Anti-Zionism (the fight against a Jewish homeland) is anti-semitism, because it would deny them their right to exist outside of exile. But a Jewish homeland is a wedge driven down the middle of Arab nationalism.

Answering the question what is Arab nationalism is no easy task, and I am not up to it myself. It certainly includes Islamic culture, but would also involve Persian, Afghani, and Pakistani converts not to mention African and Indian. There are several sects, including Sunni and Shi'ite -- both of which have produced deadly, cult like mass behavior.

A website apologizing for Wahhabism recently came across in a Google search: http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/. It should send shivers down the spine of any careful reader. Perhaps its owners could tell you more about who pays their bills and why. My guess? They themselves are caught up in a battle for the soul of this future perfect Arab world, and al Qaeda frightened many -- emerging as it did out of the murky depths of those absolutist values found in the Koran. But if al Qaeda was a warning to them, why do they persist? It's oil, the undeniability of the religious underpinnings of their daily lives, and a culture that once produced Damascene Steel blades and cannot forget that it once ruled the transasian world. It also may be an ugly sense lurking in the mideast that life is meaningless without reinventing a superculture to match and outdo the west's. It's the idea of a super race all over again.

Would others try to take advantage of the destabilizing of American allied interests? Certainly. But a collapsed Russia and China, overrun by power-mad Islamic jihadis in the mid 21st century is no future either of those world powers wants.

[risk]

Bookmarking some acerbic JBS material on 9/11
http://www.jbs.org/visitor/focus/terrorism/

[risk]

Have you answered any of these questions for yourself yet?

[GatekeeperBookman]

I am entirely satisfied that the terror org's were at various times funded, trained & aided by us ( the U.S. ), the Russians & the chicoms. All for good reasons. Such is the nature of the conflict we call the Cold War-it aint over, we will likely not see it's end.
If we did see it's end-that might be the last thing we would see. Unlikely since we are the best customers of the East-but there is the bad problem called Taiwan...& the 'lost face' which the ChiComs shall for-ever seek to re-gain.

[risk]

>>>> Such is the nature of the conflict we call the Cold War-it aint over, we will likely not see [its] end.

Well you got me thinking, and since you raised that point a couple of weeks ago, I've started coming to some of the same conclusions you describe above.

There has got to be a heckuva lot of money, influence, and ideology coming in from sources other than wealthy Arabs. The Anglosphere (and western capitalism) has its own share of self-critics and maybe they're the loudest group of all. But there's a hard edge to the anger coming out of the college radio stations, the ANSWER and NION types. My suspicion: from Shining Path to the Hollywood, bucks are flowing in, and there are two massive hegemons who might be responsible. ChiComs come to mind, but the Russkies are not ready to give up.

America is unique in that we're spreading ideas of freedom and commerce instead of just raw power. The question is: just because we're right, does that mean the world has to like us? Maybe there's an automatic response, a kind of knee-jerk antigen that kicks off when one geopolitical group gains the upper hand.

My guess is that we've done enough good where we've been that this doesn't explain the massive amount of anti-American propaganda that's out there.

In any case, bump!

[Jim Noble]

What IS Pakistan?

"Pakistan" is a part of India in which the UK, of all places, decided there should be an "Islamic state" wherein the moslem minority could become a majority and govern according to Islamic ideas.

What a very, very bad idea.

[GatekeeperBookman]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/868549/posts

Its all here:
Not In Our Name and the World Wide Terrorism Web: The "Peace" Movement's Trojan Horse

One must read this to understand why illegal aliens are connected to the Chinese problem & terror.

I'll never forget when the Shinning Path lighted a huge hammer&sickle fire in the hillside adjacent to the airport where the Pope was landing some years ago-Peru I think. At night. Talk about graphics...!

[GatekeeperBookman]

No doubt Mr. Churchill protested-he understood Islam.

[livius]

For pan-Arab nationalists? A fearless ambition to geopolitical power directly without earning it.

Good point. This is something that always irritates me when people whine that the Muslim world feels neglected and humiliated by their lack of power. They've done nothing to deserve it: they've created nothing, built nothing, discovered nothing, etc.

I think this has to do with the nature of Islam itself. Remember, Mohammed was a bandit, who basically became powerful simply by taking what others had created. And this is true of his religion. The so-called achievements of Islamic culture have always actually been the achievements of the cultures they overran, and have usually stopped cold after about 100 years of Islamic domination.

Of course, in modern times, this is also being fed by the smoldering, anti-modern, anti-progress resentment that fuels Marxism.

[nmh]

Daniel Pearl was killed because he was a Jew in Muslim land. Muslims HATE Jews. Worse yet for Daniel was that he wished to remain naieve about this age old hatred and actually try to learn about this, first hand. As a Jew je ajd NO business in enemy territory - much less investigating WHY they hate Jewish people.

I have no doubt that the U.S. will be attacked with nuclear weapons but I do NOT believe it has anything to do with Daniel Peal and I do NOT believe Daniel learned anything new. The hatred for Jews by Muslims is too intense and surely a Muslim would NEVER take a Jew into their inner circle. Daniel's foolishness caused his hideous death.

[nmh]

—"I come from … a family of Zionists. My father’s Jewish. My mother’s Jewish. I’m Jewish." Cue the throat-slitting. And then they make the video available to the world. According to Mr. Lévy, one can buy it from vendors in front of certain mosques in Pakistan."

Then they slit his throat and they still don't want to believe it was because he was Jewish! Come on! All they wanted to hear was, was that he was a Jew and death to Jews is te message. Just as death to America for helping Israel and for Christians which are the infidele. It's noincidence that this tape is available in front to certain MOSQUES.

This guy is trying to profit from Daniel Pearl's murder with unsubstantiated claims of denial of the obvious.

[nmh]

Yeah ... and we bailed out the grateful French in Viet Nam when they pulled out.