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Deathbed Confession Links Saddam Hussein To OK City Bombing (my title) ^ | April 19, 2002 | Dorian Zumel Sicat

Posted on 09/13/2003 1:47:36 PM PDT by FReepaholic

Deathbed Confession Links Sadaam Hussein to the Oklahoma City Bombing

"Deathbed" Confession Transcript -- World Exclusive
Posted April 19, 2002

The following interview with ELMINA ABDUL, widow of EDWIN ANGELES, one of the cofounders of the ABU SAYYAF GROUP (ASG), and deep cover agent for the Defense Intelligence Group (DIG) of the Department of National Defense (DND), of the Republic of the Philippines, was taken on March 10, 2002, in the presence of CHRISTOPHER M. PUNO, Information Officer of the Province of Basilan, at BASCOM Hospital, in the general ward.


(After introduction to ELMINA ABDUL by Provincial Information Officer Christopher Puno)

NOTE: I interviewed ELMINA in Tagalog, she answered me in Chavacano and Cebuano, two of the local dialects spoken in Basilan. She did not speak in the indigenous dialect because she knew that I do not speak or understand that dialect.

DZS: Good morning Ms. Angeles

DZS: How are you feeling this morning?

EA: Not very well.

DZS: Do you feel like talking with me?

EA: Yes, but not so long. I am tired.

DZS: I will try to be as short as possible. Did Chris tell you what I am here to talk to you about?

EA: Yes. And I am the one who asked him to look for you after I was told that you are interested in the truth about my husband.

DZS: Good. Okay. You are not Edwin's first wife, is that true?

EA: Yes. I am his third wife. For Muslim men, they can have even four wives, if each of the other ones approve.

DZS: How, when and where did you meet Edwin?

EA: We met when he was in the Provincial Jail here in Isabela, in 1995. I was then working for the government radio station, dxOS (Philippine Information Agency)/PIA.

DZS: That was after his capture?

EA: Yes.

DZS: When did you marry him?

EA: In 1997.

DZS: I am going to ask you some very sensitive questions now. Is that all right with you?

EA: Yes. I want to tell the truth of what I know of my late husband.

DZS: Did you know that he was one of those who founded the ASG, along with the late Abdurajak Abubakar Janjalani, in 1991?

EA: Yes. I know also why he was one of them.

DZS: Can you tell me why?

EA: Yes, I want to tell you why. I want now to tell the truth about my husband. I will die soon. I want you to know the truth. Will you write the truth, Mr. Sicat?

DZS: Yes. I will. I promise.

EA: You are not afraid?

DZS: More than you know, Mrs. Angeles.

EA: Good. Maybe you will stay alive and safe because of your fear. I will tell you that Edwin was ordered to do that.

DZS: Can you explain please.

EA: He was what they call a deep penetration agent or DPA.

DZS: Can you explain please?

EA: As I told you, he was given orders.

DZS: By whom?

EA: Some very powerful men in the DND.

DZS: Did he tell you why?

EA: No. Only that he was ordered to help to organize the ASG and to report all developments.

DZS: Did he tell you who it was?

EA: Not by names. But he told my only at the highest levels.

DZS: Did he ever tell you about his activities in the ASG before he met you?

EA: He told me everything. I do not believe that he would hide anything from me when we were talking alone.

DZS: Please do not be offended, but how do you know that?

EA: Not only because I was his wife, but because he knew that he would soon be killed. He wanted me to know everything so that if anything happened to him I could tell others.

DZS: Do you want to stop now?

EA: No. More water please.

DZS: Can I ask you about some things that happened back in the mid-90s? 1993, 1994?

EA: Yes. I will try to answer what you ask.

DZS: Did he ever talk to you about meetings with Arabs or Americans?

EA: Yes, once he had met with some Arabs and Americans in 1994, in Davao (City), or General Santos (City).

DZS: Did he tell you who they were?

EA: Does the name Ramsey Yousef mean something to you Mr. Sicat?

DZS: Ahmad Hassim. Does that mean something to you?

EA: He had met with them. And an American who he called Terry or the Farmer, and another American whom he did not name.

DZS: Was the American he named as Terry, Terry Nichols?

EA: He did not mention the surname. Only Terry.

DZS: Did he tell you why and how many times they had met?

EA: They met almost every day for one week. They met in an empty bodega (warehouse). They talked about bombings. They mentioned bombing government buildings in San Francisco, Saint Louis and in Oklahoma. The Americans wanted instructions how to make and to explode bombs. He (Edwin) told me that Janjalani was very interested in paying them much money to explode the buildings. The money was coming from Yousef and the other Arab.

DZS: Did he tell you when the bombs would explode; when they exploded?

EA: He told me that the Americans exploded one bomb in Oklahoma in 1995, after he was arrested and after we first met.

DZS: Did he ever tell you who was supplying the money for the bombing of the building, I mean who Yousef was working with or for?

EA: Mr. Sicat, you are the mediaman. Do you not know that Yousef was representing Iraq and Saddam Hussein? Do you not know that?

DZS: Did Edwin tell you that?

EA: Not only Edwin, but others that were close to us, before he was killed. One time, a soldier (Philippine Army) and Edwin were talking secretly. I was there because Edwin demanded. The soldier ordered Edwin never to tell anybody about the Iraqis.

DZS: Did you ever see that soldier before or after that time?

EA: Only two times before. He was the one who would talk to him for information.

DZS: Mrs. Angeles, do you know who killed your husband, Edwin?

EA: The ones who used him and then betrayed him, Mr. Sicat. (She grows visibly weaker). I want to rest now.

DZS: I understand. I'll let you rest now. Thank you so much, Mrs. Angeles. You have told me so much. I will try to see you tomorrow if you are up to it.

NOTE: I was not able to speak with ELMINA again. She became too weak and incoherent the following day. A few days later, the doctors had diagnosed that she was terminal. She needed to be transferred to Davao City to the Regional Hospital (government) for treatment. A few days later, while I was in Davao, arranging for her admission to the Regional Hospital, Chris told me that she could no longer be moved. She would die in transit. Since Muslims require burial within 24 hours of death, I understood the reasoning. The following day, Chris contacted me that ELMINA ABDUL, widow to EDWIN ANGELES (killed by unknown assailants in 1998), died in the pre-dawn hours Saturday March 30. She was the last one to talk with her husband before he was killed. I was the last and only reporter to talk with her about her husband before she died.

News Correspondent
Manila Times /Omega News Service (USA)
Investigative Liaison to Law Office of John Michael Johnston
Robert Bickel, Sr.
Senior Investigator and Legal Analyst

Law offices of John Michael Johnston
Elmina Abdul Angeles Statement


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abusayyaf; asg; conspiracy; iraq; okcbombing; okcity; saddam; terrorists; yousef
This may be old news to folks closely follwing these events. I just found it and thought it was worth posting here.

Emphasis mine.

1 posted on 09/13/2003 1:47:37 PM PDT by FReepaholic
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To: tscislaw
I heard that Stalin met twice with the real OKC bombers in a dinner just of I10 near New Orleans. Uncle Joe put ketchup on his hashbrowns which the Arabs found disgusting.

Saddam was there, but he didn't have anything to do with the plot - he was just waiting tables at the time.

Honest - I have a deathbed confession that's been translated from the original Urdu that confirms it!
2 posted on 09/13/2003 1:54:24 PM PDT by clamboat
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To: tscislaw
In my humble opinion, if the Bush Administration had 100% proof that this was true they would kill the story dead, dead, dead. The major media still hold the ultimate power to destroy anyone with the "conspiracy nut" label and Bush and Ashcroft and no exception to this rule. That and the necessity to protect previous Presidents for the "good of the office" and the recognition that the American people "can't handle the truth" is just too much to overcome even when the facts are on your side.

Too bad, but that is the way it is these days. Name one Clinton crime that has been pursued by a Republican Justice Department. I may have missed someting but I can't count any.

3 posted on 09/13/2003 1:54:46 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: tscislaw
4 posted on 09/13/2003 1:57:04 PM PDT by EggsAckley (........I LOVE pushing the abuse button......)
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To: tscislaw
First time I see this. Very interesting.

Makes one wonder why the current administration did not use this and other information to link Iraq with the OKC bombing.
5 posted on 09/13/2003 1:58:54 PM PDT by dinok
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To: tscislaw
Thank you for the post.
6 posted on 09/13/2003 2:03:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: tscislaw
Thank you for this post. Very interesting material.

7 posted on 09/13/2003 2:42:03 PM PDT by Ronin (Qui tacet consentit!)
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To: InterceptPoint
Ya think so?

Since it seems like everyone knows this mideast/Iraqi connection exists though few will publicly admit it, and even the shills have gotten tired of trying to dispute the fact, maybe it's long past time the W stands up for something and drops it on the sheeple.

If they're not ready to begin hearing the truth now, they never will be.

How's that Peter Paul case coming?

And Vince, does anyone believe Vince killed himself?
Yet no one will say it out loud.
8 posted on 09/13/2003 2:57:05 PM PDT by the (Who was governor when they burned the children?)
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To: tscislaw
Okay, Saddam was behind Oklahoma City, and the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon.

Now what do we do? :^o
9 posted on 09/13/2003 3:13:51 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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To: the
How's that Peter Paul case coming?

Yes indeed. How is that Peter Paul case coming.

I fully expect this case to go just like all the rest. The real guilty party - Her Majesty - will go untouched and good old Peter Paul will probably do jail time. The bribed always go free. We only put the bribers in jail.

10 posted on 09/13/2003 3:40:04 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: All
Knee-jerk ridicule of many aside there is the little matter of

"V.Z. LAWTON, et. al. v. THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - Judicial Watch has filed suit against the Republic of Iraq on behalf of 14 survivors of the April 19, 1995 bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, OK. The complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, is brought against Iraq, as a State Department designated terrorism sponsor, under the provisions of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which addresses state sponsored terrorism and has a specific provision for retroactive application."

Furthermore, "The Complaint details the Iraqi government's conspiracy, along with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, to perpetrate what was then the most deadly act of terrorism on U.S. soil."

The latest I could find on the suit is

"Plaintiffs seek to depose al-Douri because they believe he has relevant and unique information necessary to Plaintiffs’ action. Al-Douri has been, and still represents himself as, the ambassador of Iraq to the United Nations. As Iraq has a well-documented history of using its diplomatic corps to perpetrate terrorist conspiracies, al-Douri has been uniquely positioned to have information related to the Oklahoma City bombing and Iraq’s other terrorist activities."

Even without Al-Douri the suit claims to have a "mountain of evidence" of Iraq involvement.

11 posted on 09/13/2003 5:36:13 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: tscislaw
Evenmore interesting were the court phone call records that Nichols was placing to the Phillipines in the middle of the night from his farmhouse to folks who werent his wife's relatives..

All that stuff just seemed to get lost by the the FBI along with McVeigh's 'little black book' of Iraqi phone numbers, I know Dan Burton was working on this

12 posted on 09/13/2003 5:41:14 PM PDT by meg70
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To: clamboat
>>...Honest - I have a deathbed confession that's been translated from the original Urdu that confirms it!...<<

Actually, it's not hard at all to believe Saddam was involved. Why wouldn't he want revenge after having his butt kicked in GW1?

13 posted on 09/13/2003 7:20:43 PM PDT by FReepaholic ( Never Forget.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
And then pile on the Waco link, and it gets just too much for people.
14 posted on 09/13/2003 7:32:16 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: tscislaw
Ignore the harrasment-they only re-assure themselves. Many more read than reply. Good deal-putting this out front-many will make their way to the Org site & it's the real thing.
15 posted on 09/13/2003 8:38:37 PM PDT by GatekeeperBookman (W '04)
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To: tscislaw
16 posted on 09/14/2003 10:04:56 AM PDT by windchime
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To: the; TexasNative2000; swarthyguy; yukong; Lazamataz; okie01
bump! keep this in circulation since FNC's in on it now
17 posted on 09/16/2003 1:38:35 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: clamboat
18 posted on 12/18/2003 9:53:08 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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