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Democrats see general as a prize
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 9/14/03 | Scott Shepard

Posted on 09/14/2003 10:59:54 AM PDT by madprof98

Washington --- In the classrooms at West Point beginning in 1962, the back of Wesley Clark's head was a common sight for most of the cadets.

That's because at the United States Military Academy it is the practice to seat cadets in the order of their class standing. And Clark was always at the head of the class, graduating at the top in 1966.

But if Clark joins the campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination this week, as he is widely expected to, he will start halfway to the bottom of the field --- fifth in a field of 10, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll.

Not bad, though, for someone who, unlike the other candidates, has not been campaigning for more than a year.

Not bad, either, for someone who has no political campaign experience, no political organization and no money in a campaign coffer.

"There's room for a 10th candidate in this field," independent pollster John Zogby said in an interview last week as speculation was rising about Clark's future. "There's at least a third of Democratic primary voters still undecided, so that gives him an opening."

To have any success, Zogby said, Clark is going to have to run on his biography, much as Sen. John McCain of Arizona did in the 2000 Republican presidential campaign.

Zogby did some of the initial polling for McCain, whose compelling biography of heroics as a combat pilot and prisoner of war, political independence in the Senate and "straight talk" campaign style made him a formidable challenger to George W. Bush in 2000.

Clark has "a terrific biography" and a "great story to tell" should he decide to join the ranks of the Democratic presidential contenders," Zogby said.

And leaders of the Democratic Party, seeking more credibility for the party on national security in the wake of terrorism reaching the shores of America, are eagerly welcoming Clark to the campaign.

''I think it would be very good for the Democratic Party to have a four-star general travel around the country talking about the Democratic Party, talking about the differences with and the failures of the Bush administration," Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said last week.

Clark is a military officer who once occupied the same NATO command post as Dwight D. Eisenhower. Still, he is relatively unknown, certainly when compared to Ike.

"Wes Clark is no Eisenhower," Hudson Institute research fellow Alan Dowd recently wrote in the conservative National Review. "Ike returned from Europe as a conquering hero, the general of generals, [while] if it weren't for extensive time served as an armchair general, [Clark] would barely be known outside the Beltway."

However, former President Bill Clinton recently pronounced Clark one of the Democratic Party's two "rising stars," along with the former first lady, Sen. Hillary Clinton. And other former Clintonites are poised to back Clark's campaign, including former White House assistant Bruce Lindsey and Skip Rutherford, president of the foundation that is overseeing construction of Clinton's presidential library in Little Rock.

And only now, amid his flirtations with a career in politics, is the political world trying to get beyond Clark's official military biography, to understand what it means politically for him:

> To be the Southern Baptist-turned-Catholic son of a Russian Jewish immigrant.

> To have grown up in the racially segregated Arkansas of the 1950s and '60s.

> To have graduated No. 1 in the class of 1966 at West Point.

> To have been a Rhodes scholar.

> To have suffered four wounds in a single firefight as commander of a mechanized unit in Vietnam, wounds that required a year of physical therapy.

> To have been married to the same woman, Gertrude, since 1967, with a son, Wesley, 33, a screenwriter in California.

> To have risen to the four-star rank of Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, to have prosecuted NATO's first war, "Operation Allied Force," which drove the Serbian army out of the Albanian-populated Serbian province of Kosovo, without any NATO or U.S. deaths.

> To have so annoyed the Pentagon brass --- Clinton Secretary of Defense William Cohen once issued this order to him: "Keep your [expletive] face off the television!" --- that he was forced into an early retirement after nearly 34 years in uniform.

Clark has continued to spend a lot of time on television, mostly as a military analyst for CNN during the military conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; dems; electionpresident; wesleyclark
> To be the Southern Baptist-turned-Catholic son of a Russian Jewish immigrant.

Ah, yes, he embraces our diverse religious heritage! And why was I not surprised that this latest Dem scumbag abortion-apologist is a fellow Catholic?

1 posted on 09/14/2003 10:59:55 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98
Cardinal4 see general as a Clinton Boob..
2 posted on 09/14/2003 11:01:27 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: cardinal4
Sorry, Cardinal4 sees General as a Clinton Boob...
3 posted on 09/14/2003 11:03:41 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: madprof98
Clark could be a formidible candidate,

He also could be a stand-in for Hillary. He is getting help from the Clinton gang which will mean a ready made organization if circumstance suggests Hillary ought to change her mind and run.
4 posted on 09/14/2003 11:05:22 AM PDT by RJCogburn ("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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To: madprof98
The outrageous lie he told about the White House calling him on 9/11 to encourage him to go on TV and claim Iraq was connected to the attacks is enough to disqualify him from holding any public office, much less the presidency.
5 posted on 09/14/2003 11:06:43 AM PDT by AHerald
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To: madprof98
Re: ''I think it would be very good for the Democratic Party to have a four-star general travel around the country talking about the Democratic Party, talking about the differences with and the failures of the Bush administration," Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said last week.

Why don't they do this ? The DNC lothes the military.

Ann Coulter is RIGHT !

6 posted on 09/14/2003 11:07:29 AM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: AHerald; All
I have heard TWO individuals call in to Hannity (I think) and talk about Clark's "service" activities where he made them fabricate information and other nefarious actions....Hannity encouraged the last to go public with the information.....we shall see.
7 posted on 09/14/2003 11:10:11 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Whiners & PC'ers.......members of the new OFFENDED Political Party)
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To: madprof98
They need Algore and one more. Then when Hitlary runs she can be Hitlary and the Twelve Dwarfs.
8 posted on 09/14/2003 11:10:30 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: madprof98
Picture in your mind the perfect clone of Bill Clinton in military uniform.

Now you have a picture-perfect photo of Gen. Wesley Clark.

9 posted on 09/14/2003 11:10:49 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: madprof98
''I think it would be very good for the Democratic Party to have a four-star general travel around the country talking"

Symbolism over substance. The Dems are suckers for it.

10 posted on 09/14/2003 11:11:25 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: madprof98
Gee why was he forced into early retirement, or is that a polite way of saying he was canned? Wonder what he has on the clintoons,since they are making nice to him? Just wondering.
11 posted on 09/14/2003 11:11:31 AM PDT by mom-7
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To: madprof98
> To have so annoyed the Pentagon brass --- Clinton Secretary of Defense William Cohen once issued this order to him: "Keep your [expletive] face off the television!" --- that he was forced into an early retirement after nearly 34 years in uniform

Oh now, let's get accurate here. Clark nearly started WWIII. THIS is the reason Clark was "forced" into early retirement.

Robertson's plum job in a warring Nato

As Blair's man is installed, Richard Norton-Taylor details the way the alliance generals have been fighting

Tuesday August 3, 1999 The Guardian

No sooner are we told by Britain's top generals that the Russians played a crucial role in ending the west's war against Yugoslavia than we learn that if Nato's supreme commander, the American General Wesley Clark, had had his way, British paratroopers would have stormed Pristina airport threatening to unleash the most frightening crisis with Moscow since the end of the cold war. "I'm not going to start the third world war for you," General Sir Mike Jackson, commander of the international K-For peacekeeping force, is reported to have told Gen Clark when he refused to accept an order to send assault troops to prevent Russian troops from taking over the airfield of Kosovo's provincial capital.

Hyperbole, perhaps. But, by all accounts, Jackson was deadly serious. Clark, as he himself observed, was frustrated after fighting a war with his hands tied behind his back, and was apparently willing to risk everything for the sake of amour-propre .

Nato's increasingly embarrassing, not to say ineffective, air assault on Yugoslavia, had ended. It was over, not least as General Sir Charles Guthrie, chief of the defence staff, acknowledged in an interview with the Guardian, thanks to the intervention of Moscow - its refusal to come to the aid of Belgrade. The point was emphatically underlined by Jackson in a further interview over the weekend with the Sunday Telegraph.

"The event of June 3 [when Moscow urged Milosevic to surrender] was the single event that appeared to me to have the greatest significance in ending the war," said Jackson. Asked about the bombing campaign, he added pointedly: "I wasn't responsible for the air campaign, you're talking to the wrong person."

Having helped Nato out of its predicament, Moscow was embroiled in arguments with Washington about the status of Russian troops in the K-For operation. For reasons to do with efficiency as much as power politics, the west insisted the Russian contingent must be "Nato-led". With or without Yeltsin's say-so, on June 12 a group of some 200 Russian troops drove out of Bosnia - where they were serving with the Nato-led S-For stabilisation force - and in full view of the world's television cameras made for Pristina airport where Jackson had planned to set up his K-For headquarters guarded by British paratroopers.

The Russians had made a political point, not a military one. It was apparently too much for Clark. According to the US magazine, Newsweek, General Clark ordered an airborne assault on the airfield by British and French paratroopers. General Jackson refused. Clark then asked Admiral James Ellis, the American commander of Nato's southern command, to order helicopters to occupy the airport to prevent Russian Ilyushin troop carriers from sending in reinforcements. Ellis replied that the British General Jackson would oppose such a move. In the end the Ilyushins were stopped when Washington persuaded Hungary, a new Nato member, to refuse to allow the Russian aircraft to fly over its territory.

Jackson got full support from the British government for his refusal to carry out the American general's orders. When Clark appealed to Washington, he was allegedly given the brush-off. The American is said to have complained to Jackson about the British general's refusal to accept the order to take over Pristina airfield, and Jackson's subsequent appeal to his political masters when Clark visited Kosovo on June 24.

The unsuccessful issuing of Clark's order has left a bitter taste, especially given the delay in US marines joining the K-For operation - a delay which Jackson had been prepared to indulge even though it held up the entry into Kosovo. Had the British general carried out Clark's instruction, all hope for a compromise with the Russians would have been shattered. In the end, Nato and Moscow reached a compromise and General Jackson willingly provided water and other supplies to stranded Russian paratroopers holed up at the airfield. He swallowed any hurt pride he might have had by insisting, not entirely convincingly, that control of the airfield was not important.

The episode triggers reminiscences of the Korean war. Then, General Douglas MacArthur, commander of the UN force, wanted to invade, even nuke, China, until he was brought to heel by President Truman. So concerned was Clement Attlee that he urgently flew to Washington to put an end to such madness. MacArthur was relieved of his command.

The comparison, of course, is not exact, but worth recording nonetheless. Last week, Clark was told in a telephone conversation from General Henry Shelton, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, that he must leave his post early and make way for an older man, General Joseph Ralston, a favourite of the American defence secretary, William Cohen. Clark fell victim, not only to the Pristina airfield row, but to his tense relationship with Washington throughout the war - his repeated requests for more aircraft, including Apache helicopters (never used in conflict because of the risk to pilots), the need for a ground force contingency plan and an altogether more effective strategy against Milosevic, a man he got to know well during the 1995 Dayton peace negotiations on Bosnia. Asked to comment on Clark's forced retirement, Jackson replied: "He is my superior officer and that's it."

So Nato will have a new supreme military commander close to Cohen and a new secretary-general - George Robertson - equally close to the US defence secretary as documents released under the US freedom of information act and reported today elsewhere in this newspaper testify. Though Nato was looking for a German - the defence minister, Rudolf Scharping declined - Robertson is said to have the enthusiastic support of the French and German governments to succeed the Spaniard, Javier Solana, who will take up a new post responsible for developing the EU's incipient common foreign and security policy. What does Robertson's appointment - expected to be formally approved tomorrow - signify ? He is regarded as having a "safe" pair of hands. He is unlikely to take risks. His main task will be to straddle the Atlantic, to help patch fissures in the alliance which almost cracked during the Kosovo war, and to persuade the Europeans to cooperate more effectively in the defence and security field. Robertson has talked much of "defence diplomacy". He will need to put this into practice, no more so than in Nato's relations with Russia, as the transatlantic alliance looks towards the east. The superficial rhetoric, Anglo-American arrogance, and the dangerously presumptuous approach towards Moscow, must be laid to rest.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0,2763,208123,00.html

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An article from the UK, 5 years ago, tells the truth on Clark. This information must get out. Clark is UNFIT to be Commander in Chief, Veep, or Sec. of Defense.

Prairie

12 posted on 09/14/2003 11:13:47 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by The American Democratic Party, also known as Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: madprof98
they left one out...

To have been relieved of command after being a royal pain in the arse. That seems to have been lef tout of his biography.
13 posted on 09/14/2003 11:14:41 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: mom-7
see post 12

Prairie
14 posted on 09/14/2003 11:14:50 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by The American Democratic Party, also known as Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: madprof98
I'd like for Wesley Clark to explain how he felt when the democrats tried to keep servicemen and women's votes from counting in the '00 election!!!
15 posted on 09/14/2003 11:22:14 AM PDT by admiralsn (If you want to make God laugh, tell him your future plans.)
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To: mom-7
To have so annoyed the Pentagon brass --- Clinton Secretary of Defense William Cohen once issued this order to him: "Keep your [expletive] face off the television!" --- that he was forced into an early retirement after nearly 34 years in uniform.

The Dems only like his military experience because they believe it gives him credibility and them cover to attack the Pentagon.

16 posted on 09/14/2003 11:23:36 AM PDT by Dolphy
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To: madprof98
"....... he will start halfway to the bottom of the field --- fifth in a field of 10, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll."

Considering the last half must be Graham, Braun, Sharpton, Lieberman, and Kucinich, and they're off the charts, I'd say he's right at the bottom.

Hey, it's not like we never had a Benedict Arnold before.

17 posted on 09/14/2003 11:27:09 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: madprof98
Democrats see general as a prize

Republicans see general as a POS Clintonite.

18 posted on 09/14/2003 11:28:10 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: ChadGore; MeeknMing; AHerald; goodnesswins; Bubba_Leroy; Registered; Jim Robinson
"Why don't they do this ? The DNC lothes the military."



Gore Confers With Gen. Clark

Democrap Military Ballot Box


19 posted on 09/14/2003 11:28:28 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: AHerald
The outrageous lie he told about the White House calling him on 9/11 to encourage him to
go on TV and claim Iraq was connected to the attacks is enough to disqualify him from
holding any public office, much less the presidency.


That, plus his prediction of thousands of body-bags (for US soldiers) in Iraq...
I'm just PRAYING for a Dean-Clark ticket!

Oh course, Clark was in charge when the Chinese Embassy got bombed during our
glorious war against the Serbs, so he can't be all bad...even if that was just
an accident.
20 posted on 09/14/2003 11:34:31 AM PDT by VOA
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To: madprof98
Who does Clark think he is - George McClellan.
21 posted on 09/14/2003 11:35:05 AM PDT by reg45
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To: madprof98
To be bashing the performance of the US military in the Iraq war every night on CNN.

To be found very wrong and very stupid in all his gloom and doom scenarios about the war in Iraq.

Go Clark go... to be crushed in the 2004 election if he ever wins the nomination of the Democrats.

22 posted on 09/14/2003 11:59:17 AM PDT by jveritas
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To: madprof98
Clark, a manipulator and exploited of his subordinates.
23 posted on 09/14/2003 12:03:19 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Dang right...Weasely Clark is all symbolism. He was one of my division commanders when I was with 1st Cav...I don't recall ever seeing him in the field, during gunnery, etc. His predecessor, Gen. Tilleli, got his boots muddy as often as we line dogs did.

Furthermore, Clark was in my father's class at Command and General Staff College at Ft. Levenworth in the '70s. Yes, ol' Weasely was the honor grad there, too, but Dad says he was the biggest political a** sucker he saw in his 31 years in uniform...and that included Dad's time at the Pentagon. Clark was such a cheese eater, the class actually booed him when he accepted his award at graduation.

Unfortunately, none of that will matter, because no one ever asks the soldier about the quality of his leaders. Perception is everything, symbolism trumps substance, so the 'Rats and the criminal, liberal, mainstream media will make this guy out to be the Second Coming. If America elects a ticket that Weasely is a part of, we deserve anything and everything we get.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

24 posted on 09/14/2003 12:03:26 PM PDT by wku man (Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2003 Super Bowl Champs, soon to be 2004 Super Bowl Champs!!!)
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Relax, he will not be elected.
25 posted on 09/14/2003 12:07:57 PM PDT by jveritas
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To: madprof98
"that he was forced into an early retirement after nearly 34 years in uniform."

WTF????? Thirty four years is hardly "early retirment".
26 posted on 09/14/2003 12:10:43 PM PDT by JimNtexas
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To: madprof98
"McCain, whose compelling biography of heroics as a combat pilot and prisoner of war,"

Minor skewing of facts here. McLame managed to crash his plane (a really heroic task, and so, so hard to accomplish) after only flying a few missions. I don't know the details of the crash but I have never heard anyone claim he was shot down!

His heroism while a prisoner was certainly due to his radical mis-treatment after the VC found out his father was a high-ranking navy admiral (I guess all dmirals are high ranking). It has been stated and not refuted (to my knowledge) that he was given treatment slightly better than his camp mates.

If I mis-state anything I will gladly apologise but it is this information that makes me dislike that SOB even more than I would becaue of his RINO-hateful politics.

27 posted on 09/14/2003 12:41:06 PM PDT by lawdude
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To: Happy2BMe


Check out Al Gore's REVIEW of Cast Away.


28 posted on 09/14/2003 1:35:11 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: madprof98
Here is a view from the UK on a possible Clark candidacy:Military man offers Democrats a patriot's way of challenging Bush
29 posted on 09/14/2003 5:29:55 PM PDT by kaylar
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