It's always been a source of amusement to me how folks operate on "info"-bytes: e.g., "Sally Hemmings" elicits "oh that slave that Thomas Jefferson screwed?"
Often I wonder how much of what we think we know, is actually true...
posted on 09/14/2003 1:42:41 PM PDT
(Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
One of the strengths of America is that we have more of the best of every nation here -- Europe, Asia and Africa -- and a powerful mingling over the centuries of these best, than any other country in the world. We're raucus, argumentative and competitive with each other, but at the end of the day, we know our identity -- we're Americans. We all want to get to the top, to be the best....and in the process we lift each other up a little more.
Recently a friend who is originally from Scotland told me she at least knows her race is 'pure.' LOL. How sad. She's not yet Americanized enough to understand the sterility of that view.
posted on 09/14/2003 1:48:23 PM PDT
(America the beautiful, I love this nation of (legal) immigrants.)
I read in "Don't Know Much ABout History" that it could've been any one of the TWENTY Jeffersons living on the land there.
I am inclined to believe they did have a child together. Would not have been unusual anyway. Sally Hemmings herself was half English and half African. Anyway, Sally Hemmings had a choice. When she was in Paris, under French law any slave that touched French soil was free. She could have stay, but she went back with Jefferson. Besides, she being his dead wife's half sister, she probably LOOKED like her.
I just want to know what the New York Slimes hopes to achieve from a non-event 200 years ago.
posted on 09/14/2003 2:15:16 PM PDT
(and you thought I was joking about the tinfoil hat)
The Democrats udsed the Sally Hemings lie to bash a truly great American just so they could somehow redeem their rapist President,Bildo. This psuedo-history broke at the time of the FreeRepublic "March for Justice" 10/31/98.
The tragedy is that a wonderful American got trashed, and when you go to Monticello, and see Jefferson's home, in the context of the times. he took excellent care of his slaves, to the point of buying produce from them on land he gave them to grow vegetables for themselves. The slaves stayed on the Monticello for three and four generations because they had a home there and were well treated.
The genetics did not prove that Jefferson fathered anyone with Sally Hemings. Only that it was a Jefferson male.
But since when did the truth matter to Democrats. Whatever works in a pinch to accomplish their devious objectives.
posted on 09/14/2003 2:19:18 PM PDT
(Constitution?--I got your Constitution right here!--T. Daschle)
Interestingly, the week that the committee of historians released their findings on who was the father was also the week that the White House invited the white and black descendants of Jefferson to the White House. Even though the DNA evidence was insufficient to say that Thomas Jefferson was indeed the father of several of Sally Hemings children, the White House recognized them as such. The Bush White House. Sally Hemings did have at least one child who was definitively NOT a Jefferson.
One of my college professors was on the committee, and he loved to find out bad things about Jefferson. However, even he could not conclude that Thomas Jefferson was the father. He didn't think Jefferson physically had it in him to father ANY child when the alleged offspring were conceived. I'm less certain and think it possible.
This guy is brilliant. This article is as clever and rich in knowledge as it is succinct.
posted on 09/14/2003 3:52:03 PM PDT
An article in the November 5, 1998, edition of Nature provides DNA evidence that Thomas Jefferson or some other male Jefferson such as Randolph, the brother of Thomas, could have been the father of one of the sons of Sally Hemings, who was a slave at Jefferson's Monticello. The technique relies on the fact that the human Y-chromosome is handed down directly from father to son and that all paternally related males will have the same Y-chromosome. Although Thomas Jefferson did not have any sons who survived to produce children, his father's brother, Field Jefferson, did have sons and it has been possible to locate 5 descendants of Field Jefferson who are in a direct male-line of descent. Thus, these individuals (descendants of Field Jefferson) should have the same Y-chromosome DNA as the Y-chromosome DNA of Thomas Jefferson and any male-line descendant of his.
The male-line descendants of two of Sally Hemmings sons were located and their Y-chromosome DNA was examined for comparison to the Y-chromosome DNA of Field Jefferson's descendants. The DNA from the five male-line descendants of Thomas Woodson, oldest son of Sally Hemings, did not match the Jefferson DNA. In fact, one of Woodson's descendants did not match well with the other four. However, the DNA from the one descendant of Eston Hemings, youngest son of Sally Hemings, did match the Jefferson DNA.
This lends credence to the supposition that Thomas Jefferson may have been the father of Eston Hemings. However, historian Williard S. Randall, notes, "There were 25 men within 20 miles of Monticello who were all Jeffersons and had the same Y chromosome. And 23 of them were younger than Jefferson, who was 65 years old when Eston was conceived." Randall, wrote a 1993 biography of Jefferson, titled, Thomas Jefferson: A Life. More detailed information is available. Three different authors provide some perspective on Jefferson and Hemings in The Nation. Finally, the The Jefferson-Hemings Scholars Commission concluded that Randolph Jefferson, Thomas' brother, was more likely to have fathered Eston Hemings.
Thomas Jerrerson had 10 children, mostly girls, who all died except one who survived him. She and her husband set about to pay all of Jeffersons overwhelming debts due to the inability of the Fed. Govt. to reimburse him for his exspenditures while holding the office President, and overseas ambassadorial forays into France.He contnued to entertain foreign ambassadors and politicos at his own expense once retired. They sold most of the furniture in Monticello and finally the property itself.
During the 20's a Jewish family named Levy bought it, collected what they could of the original furnishings, restored the house and grounds to their original grandeur and gave it to the State of Virginia as a memorial to Thomas Jefferson. All at their own expense.
If Sally Hemming was already partly white(half sister to Mrs. Jefferson) maybe it is that drollop of white DNA that has the smear Jefferson and Sally gang going nuts. Who really knows who the father of Sally's children were.
Thomas Jefferson and William Jefferson Clinton have nothing in common. I still think the child attributed to Bill with the black hooker is his child. He is a truly disgusting man.
Thomas Jefferson is an American Patriot and the President to whom we owe thanks for the American Continent. He was the father of the Louisianna Purchase from Napoleon, a huge tract of land, without which, we would never have achieved the greatness we have. We never would have settled the west into the Continental USA. We'd be stuck with the eastern colonies, with the elite NE states calling the shots. Sort of like they think they do now.
posted on 09/14/2003 5:11:33 PM PDT
(I agree with Dick Morris. Off with their heads! Let's start with the Clintons, all three of them.)
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