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NEWS FLASH PRESIDENT ACCUSED OF EXAGGERATING INTELLIGENCE CLAIMS...THE ONE YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT
Google search clinton Kosovo | Justin Raimondo, http://www.antiwar.com

Posted on 09/14/2003 8:43:42 PM PDT by pfflier

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Why the Media WON'T Discuss the Clinton Kosovo Fraud They Were Accomplices in Clinton's Senseless Destruction of Yugoslavia

By: Mary Mostert August 22, 2000

Last Friday, August 18, 2000, the London Guardian published an article entitled "Serb Killings 'exaggerated' by West." It was subheaded: "Claims of up to 100,000 ethnic Albanians massacred in Kosovo revised to under 3,000 as exhumations near end."

That article, in a well-known British newspaper, appears to be reverberating around the world. Knowing of my interest in this subject, and my skepticism about the so-called "genocide," readers from all over the world have e-mailed me copies of the Guardian article and commentary about it. ...

Justin Raimondo, http://www.antiwar.com , wrote yesterday:

"Think of what this has to mean: Madeleine Albright, James Rubin, and Jamie Shea didn't pull this off single-handedly. Not only the US government, but the worldwide media fabricated a "genocide" and, on that basis, launched a savage war against a sovereign nation that had never attacked us, in the name of "humanitarianism - a war, I might add, that was stopped but has not ended. THE CASE OF THE MISSING CORPUS DELICTI

In a sense, the NATO-crats have been tripped up by their own web of propaganda: in their eagerness to charge Yugoslav strongman Slobodan Milosevic with "war crimes," and indict him before their self-appointed "War Crimes Tribunal," Western governments have had to follow at least the forms of legality: due process, the rules of evidence - and, in the case of murder, not to mention "genocide," the necessity of producing the corpus delicti. Where are the bodies, all 100,000 of them? ...

In a great fanfare of publicity last year, scores of forensic experts flooded Kosovo searching for those 100,000 bodies. At least one thousand of them were supposed to be in the Trepca mine, according to the Albanians. Not a single body was found in the Trepca mine.

But the true nature of the Kosovo war was never a secret. Any journalist willing to do some independent research had more than ample evidence that Clinton's so-called "Humanitarian War" to stop a "genocide" was a lie....

On the other hand, Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-NJ) said yesterday on CNN that if Milosevic doesn't sign the document written, apparently, by the United States and presented to him in Paris for his signature, the Clinton administration will "destroy his nation." ...

Thanks to the support of senators like Lieberman, who may be rewarded by the American people this fall with a boost in his status to Vice-President, Clinton was able to bomb Yugoslavia INCLUDING Kosovo for 79 days, destroying hospitals, factories, schools, homes, water and power plants...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: balkans; campaignfinance; kosovo
"...ample evidence that Clinton's so-called "Humanitarian War" to stop a "genocide" was a lie."

Sounds like the same press releases today only the press zooms in on a Republican president when you substitute WMDs.

1 posted on 09/14/2003 8:43:43 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: nutmeg
bump
2 posted on 09/14/2003 8:45:34 PM PDT by nutmeg (Is the DemocRATic party extinct yet?)
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To: pfflier; Ragtime Cowgirl
Bookmarked.

Remember always:

Within THREE WEEKS of the impeachment - and while the Juanita B. rape charges were still being hushed up by the TV network that made the interview, Clinton clammed up in a "secret" news media briefing/strategy session (but ONLY with the "sympathetic" members of the national press corpse) for three days.

Nobody ever covered what they (Clinton and the national press) talked about .... But within a week of the strategy session, the Kosovo lie was being "pushed" day and night by the national media.

Within a month of the first media exaggerations (er, "unbiased reports of atrocities against innocent humanity"), we were at war.

But NO liberal/socialist/internationalist group dared protest Clinton's war.

A war he initiated without UN approval, a war he started without ANY threat against the US, and a war he waged only after dragging a previously "defensive only" NATO into a direct attack against the Slavic people - thus proving the USSR was correct in their 45 years of anti-NATO propaganda!

Nope.

No liberal protested Clinton's unjustified quagmire. A quagmire we are still stuck deep inside.


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Meanwhile, we (under Bush) are WINNING against the truly forces of Saddam, and have defeated his REAL human rights violators.


3 posted on 09/14/2003 8:56:36 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: pfflier
Maybe Wesley Clark can answer a few of these questions next week when he announces his bid for the Presidency
4 posted on 09/14/2003 8:57:30 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Who Would the Terrorist Vote For ??????)
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To: *balkans; vooch; Destro; Seselj; PiP PiP Cherrio; smokegenerator; boston_liberty; konijn; DTA; ...
Not news to any of us here but it's apparently news to the Guardian.
5 posted on 09/14/2003 8:58:22 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Justin Raimondo
Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-NJ)

Justin,

Yes, we have an old, gray haired, Jewish Senator here in New Jersey too but his name is Frank Lautenberg.  Lieberman is D-CT.

6 posted on 09/14/2003 9:01:40 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: pfflier
And Clinton even took the wrong side!!!
I've always said he was never qualified to be president.
7 posted on 09/14/2003 9:02:31 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: pfflier
only zooms in on republicans...? shocker! /s ;)
8 posted on 09/14/2003 9:05:01 PM PDT by Libertina ("Leaders" cannot lead me without my consent. I, citizen, have power.)
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To: concerned about politics
My thoughts also.
9 posted on 09/14/2003 9:18:24 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: pfflier
Positive proof once again that the dimrats are the true racists and liars. Their deceitfullness amazes me.
10 posted on 09/14/2003 9:28:21 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
BTTT
11 posted on 09/14/2003 9:29:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery)
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To: pfflier
BUMP
12 posted on 09/14/2003 9:29:59 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: pfflier
All very comforting.
Now, please, someone explain to me why we are STILL THERE?
13 posted on 09/14/2003 9:37:16 PM PDT by norton
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To: concerned about politics
As I was just laid off @ this time, I watched a Cspan speech & the bent one was unable to correctly pronunciate "Kosovo"...while watching he said Kusova, Kusovoe and others....shockingly, no one in the media made any mention.
14 posted on 09/14/2003 9:38:19 PM PDT by loulou
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To: norton
Now, please, someone explain to me why we are STILL THERE?

Ya got me! We shouldn't be lots of places. Hunting Al Quata and Saddam is plenty. Heck, we still have people stationed in Germany!

15 posted on 09/14/2003 9:43:59 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: loulou
Here's some good news (heh heh heh)
The Bush administration has quietly installed a surprising figure in a high-level Pentagon post: L. Jean Lewis- FR thread:

Pentagon: Defense's WHITEWATER Hire

".....in 1993, Lewis drafted a criminal referral alleging illegal Whitewater dealings that eventually became the basis for Ken Starr’s probe. Republicans praised Lewis as a whistle-blower; Democrats blasted her as a partisan. (In a private letter on her computer, she once called Bill Clinton a “lying bastard.”) "

16 posted on 09/14/2003 10:06:17 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: pfflier
Oh yeh, Justin Raimondo is a worthy source to be cited. Who is next on your list?
17 posted on 09/14/2003 10:27:07 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: pfflier
I distinctly recall a clinton TV appearance to defend his war in which he claimed the number of slaughtered albanians to be 200,000 not 100,000.
18 posted on 09/14/2003 10:43:05 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: pfflier
link!!!!!!
19 posted on 09/14/2003 10:44:26 PM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: TopQuark
While I generally share your opinion of Raimondo, I have to admit he and Nebojsa Malic have been consistently correct on the issue of America's misadventure in the Balkans.
20 posted on 09/14/2003 10:46:04 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: pfflier
Okay my theory on this is.... Clinton hacked out a deal with Bin Laden to go after the serbs to save the muslims to get OBL to stop bombing the airlines embassys etc. I would like to see stats on if we had any terrorism during that time. Any thoughts?
21 posted on 09/14/2003 10:46:48 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: pfflier
Why is there no accountability from Klintoon to this day? How can he go around bashing Bush and not have to answer for all the misdeeds of his administration...all 8 yrs of it? I don't get it! Yes I do.....double standard....and it's not gonna change.
22 posted on 09/14/2003 11:10:44 PM PDT by mrtysmm
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To: pfflier
Why is there no accountability from Klintoon to this day? How can he go around bashing Bush and not have to answer for all the misdeeds of his administration...all 8 yrs of it? I don't get it! Yes I do.....double standard....and it's not gonna change.
23 posted on 09/14/2003 11:10:44 PM PDT by mrtysmm
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To: Libertina
One time I was vacationing at Alister Crowley's cabin in the woods near Loch Ness and, while I was sunning myself on the beach, I saw a republican surface from the murky depths.
24 posted on 09/14/2003 11:15:06 PM PDT by Duke Nukum ([T]he only true mystery is that our very lives are governed by dead people.)
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To: kimosabe31
I distinctly recall a clinton TV appearance to defend his war in which he claimed the number of slaughtered albanians to be 200,000 not 100,000.

Should we expect less of the impeached liar?

25 posted on 09/14/2003 11:25:05 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: TopQuark
The irony is that the anti-war freaks were ratting out their own "hero" and the press didn't give a sh!t!!!
26 posted on 09/15/2003 6:54:46 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Meanwhile, we (under Bush) are WINNING against the truly forces of Saddam, and have defeated his REAL human rights violators.

Bump!

It's getting to the point with the left-press, that little children are pointing at them and asking why they're lying. They think if they tell the world the sky is green, the world will fall for it. This would make a fine research project - a federally funded scientific study into the mass-delusion of socialism. (^;

27 posted on 09/15/2003 7:25:15 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("We have a strategy in Iraq and a mission. We will fight and defeat the terrorists there." GW* 9/13)
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To: pfflier
There was no massacre of civilians by Serbs at the village of Racak. There was no "Operation Horseshoe." There was no crematorium in the Trepca mines. There were no death camps. There were no mass graves. There was no genocide.

Massacres? What about the Pristina stadium?

1. On March 30, James Rubin suggests Serbs herding Albanians into Pristina stadium. NOTE: He attriutes the report to KLA commander Hashin Thaci (Thaqi), with whom according to Agence France Presse (3/18) Rubin personnally has a "good rapport."

2. March 31: Reporter (AFP) visits stadium -- nobody there.

3. March 31: Rubin: "We never made that claim."

Question: how good are the other atrocity stories we're getting?


1. March 30, James Rubin suggests Serbs herding Albanians into Pristina stadium.

TRANSCRIPT OF THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT

March 30 (James Rubin):

QUESTION: You said that the secretary had talked to Thaqi the day before. Has she talked to him again?

RUBIN: No. He called into the department today, and he provided another chilling account of what's going on in Kosovo. He basically indicated that the situation is worse today than it was yesterday.

QUESTION: Could you elaborate on that? Why it is worse? How it is worse?

RUBIN: He said that the killing is more widespread, that they're shelling the whole series of towns, that the Kosovar Liberation Army is doing the best it can under the circumstances, but that it's becoming increasingly difficult.

He indicated that people were being held in the soccer stadium in Pristina, that people were being held in two other locations, that several thousand people who had been evacuated from a particular town, whose name I don't have in front of me, are missing. And a number of other reports of that nature.

END OF QUOTE


2. March 31: Reporter (AFP) visits stadium -- nobody there.

Copyright 1999 Agence France Presse

Agence France Presse March 31, 1999 Kosovo-stadium 16:04 GMT

HEADLINE: No sign of Serbs massing Kosovars in Pristina stadium
DATELINE: PRISTINA, Yugoslavia, March 3<

A football stadium in the Kosovo capital Pristina stood empty Wednesday, one day after reports that Serbian forces were herding ethnic Albanians there in an apparent prelude to a massacre. An AFP reporter who visited the site said the stadium, whose galleries can host some 25,000 spectators, was completely empty and there were no signs of any mass groupings.

On Tuesday, Hashim Thaci, one of the commanders of the separatist Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) told German TV ZD that 100,000 people were massed by the Serbian forces in the Pristina stadium.

But on Wednesday, rows of seats stood empty and the grass looked intact, an AFP reporter who managed to enter the stadium through a non-guarded entrance said.

The windows at the stadium offices were smashed in NATO air strikes overnight Sunday, when a nearby Serbian police headquarters was shelled.

A worker cleaning the broken glass said that "no one has entered the stadium for a long time, since there is not much to see there." Also on Wednesday, a spokesman for the Democratic League of Kosovo (LDK), Kosovo's largest moderate political party, said Serb forces have herded 3,000 residents of the Kosovo town of Pec into another stadium. Entire families have been rounded up since late Tuesday by Serbian paramilitary forces and the police, the spokesman said. str-md/an/po LOAD-DATE: March 31, 1999


3. We never said there was . . .

March 31. James (Jamie) Rubin:

Q: Jamie, on that -- and I don't mean to suggest that you're not getting correct information, but we've gotten a report this morning which is what I believe is the first independent report out of Pristina in some days, saying that Thaqi's claim yesterday that a hundred thousand people were massed in the Pristina stadium --

MR. RUBIN: I didn't make that claim -- we didn't make that claim.

Q: Well, it's been referred to. But anyway -- anyway, this report says that this --

MR. RUBIN: I never heard him say that.

Q: He said it yesterday on German radio --

MR. RUBIN: He hasn't said it to us -- a hundred thousand people in the stadium.

Q Yeah, in the Pristina stadium.

Anyway, given the fact that he said this, maybe not to you, but he has said this, and the fact of the matter is is that the reporter that went there this morning and said it was empty and there was no signs of anyone in any large numbers at all had been there for the past couple of days at all, that the grass was intact and undisturbed and it is was just deserted, how confident are you in the reports that you are getting from him and others? And how comfortable are you repeating them to us in this forum?

MR. RUBIN: We believe that the basic information about the situation in Malisevo is accurate. We have our own independent corroboration that there is massive burning of houses. And Mr. Thaqi has been quite clear with us that he is hearing reports -- he is not saying that these things are facts -- and I am sure an enterprising reporter can debunk any report, if you wait long enough. But I think the reality is that reporters who are on the ground in Kosovo, and reporters on the ground in Albania, have tended to corroborate the vast majority of the information the KLA has provided about the atrocities being conducted. In fact, the reporting that I have seen from Albania and Macedonia, from direct interviews with refugees, has tended to corroborate most of the information that we have received. I have no reason to dispute the particular reporter's information about a soccer stadium. But let me say this. Our own information is rather dramatic about this whole situation here. U.S. government information is that, prior to forced expulsion, Serbs have looted the homes and businesses of ethnic Albanians in at least 20 towns and villages. In addition, Serb soldiers have reportedly occupied Albanian homes in Pristina. The refugees report widespread burning of homes in 13 towns and countless villages throughout Kosovo.

28 posted on 09/15/2003 7:25:25 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Incorrigible
he and Nebojsa Malic have been consistently correct on the issue of America's misadventure in the Balkans.

That point is well taken, but what is important is NOT only to be correct but also for the right reasons. If tomorrow I find myself chasing a Muslim terrorist or some other thug down the street and notice that a white supremacist with SS tatoos is helping me, I would not say that white supremacist is "correct on the issue."

29 posted on 09/15/2003 7:34:56 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Duke Nukum
Nicely done, Duke... "murky depths" is good ;)
30 posted on 09/15/2003 8:02:33 AM PDT by Libertina ("Leaders" cannot lead me without my consent. I, citizen, have power.)
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