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Republicans, Let us Honor Abraham Lincoln Today
National Park Service ^ | 9/15/2003 | RepublianWizard

Posted on 09/15/2003 6:37:23 AM PDT by republicanwizard

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Freepers,

Unfortunately, I forgot to post the first two debates, but from now on, I will be posting the transcripts of the Lincoln-Douglas debates on the appropriate date for your reading and study as a reminder of the ideals of the incomparable Lincoln.

1 posted on 09/15/2003 6:37:23 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Admin Moderator
Admin Moderator, Please Correct Republican spelling in headline.
2 posted on 09/15/2003 6:39:29 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
Bump for Abe the Railsplitter.

I'm surprised the Neoconfederates haven't come on this site yet to accuse Lincoln of genocide.

3 posted on 09/15/2003 7:31:54 AM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Clemenza
Yes, all honor to Lincoln. I'm ready for the traitors if they come again. Let's rally round the flag.
4 posted on 09/15/2003 7:35:51 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
Them boys could sure talk! A level of political discourse that makes today look utterly ridiculous by comparison.
5 posted on 09/15/2003 7:35:53 AM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: Restorer
Yes, the opening debater had 60 minutes. Then the other responded for 90 minutes, followed by a 30 minute conclusion. However, the debates were somewhat repetitious. The Trumbull charge was debated ad nauseum.
6 posted on 09/15/2003 7:38:53 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Clemenza
Oh, they'll be here for sure.
7 posted on 09/15/2003 7:40:27 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: Restorer
Them boys could sure talk! A level of political discourse that makes today look utterly ridiculous by comparison.

Isn't that the truth. We passed the height of civilization a few decades ago. :^) Seems like less and less people have the ability to reason any more. They just eat up what they're fed and don't even think about anything.

8 posted on 09/15/2003 7:44:21 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Skooz; Clemenza
This was another popular version, called the Battle Version, of Rally Round the Flag:

I thought it appropriate should the Rebels come again.
________________________________________________________
We are marching to the field, boys,
We're going to the fight,
Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom,
And we bear the glorious stars
For the Union and the right,
Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.
Chorus:
The Union forever!
Hurrah boys hurrah!
Down with the traitor, up with the star,
For we're marching to the field, boys,
Going to the fight,
Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom!

2. We will meet the Rebel host, boys,
With fearless heart and true,
Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom,
And we'll show what Uncle Sam has
For loyal men to do,
Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.
Chorus:

3. If we fall amid the fray, boys,
We'll face them to the last,
Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.
And our comrades brave shall hear us
As they go rushing past,
Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.
Chorus:

4. Yes, for Liberty and Union
We're springing to the fight,
Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.
And the vict'ry shall be ours
For we're rising in our might,
Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.
Chorus:
9 posted on 09/15/2003 7:47:29 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: #3Fan
I know. It is the truth. To be honest, I doubt many of those that heard both gentlemen understood what was going on. They were continually reprimanded for shooting their mouths off, but still, it must have taken great concentration.

I would give nearly anything to have been a fly on the wall during Sumner's Crime Against Kansas.
10 posted on 09/15/2003 7:49:01 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
Hey, wasn't Lincoln a fag?
11 posted on 09/15/2003 7:50:45 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813
Yes, of course. He fathered four sons with Mary Todd and nearly killed himself after Ann Rutledge's death. Quite the type, no?
12 posted on 09/15/2003 7:52:19 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
Abraham lincoln was the second greatest Republican who ever lived, after Thaddeus Stevens.
13 posted on 09/15/2003 7:56:11 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: montag813
Hw was also known for challenging blind men to duels.
14 posted on 09/15/2003 7:57:22 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Ah my friend, we may disagree on that point. I'd put Lincoln first and Sumner second. Sumner was quite a heroic character.

Why Stevens?
15 posted on 09/15/2003 7:57:54 AM PDT by republicanwizard ("ah, but which rascal is our rascal")
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To: Clemenza
"I'm surprised the Neoconfederates haven't come on this site yet to accuse Lincoln of genocide."
Well Linclon didn't exactly like Indians, he wanted to send the blacks back to Africa and he let Sherman kill a bunch of teenage kids as a "Christmas present" to him. Not everyone thinks the guy was a good President.
16 posted on 09/15/2003 7:58:18 AM PDT by afz400
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To: Sam's Army
Jefferson Davis was partially blind, suffering from severe eye problems, but I have no recollection of Lincoln ever challenging him. Do you mean Shields? Please provide evidence?
17 posted on 09/15/2003 7:59:27 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
You can read his bio on the website for my book, on which he is on the cover. He was a helluva guy, demonized by hordes of Democrat history professors.
18 posted on 09/15/2003 8:00:02 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: afz400
"Well Linclon didn't exactly like Indians"

Lincoln repeatedly noted to the Know-Nothings that the only native Americans were the American Indians. Basic knowledge of his life should tell you this.

"he wanted to send the blacks back to Africa"

Better to send them back to Africa than to enslave them, no?

"Sherman kill a bunch of teenage kids as a "Christmas present" to him."

A pathetic allegation. As irrational and stupid as the "Picayune Butler" charge.

19 posted on 09/15/2003 8:01:44 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Oh I read it. Well done.
20 posted on 09/15/2003 8:02:41 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
I forgot the sarcasm tag----it was a joke meant to display all the allegations the Lew Rockwell crowd likes to run with.
21 posted on 09/15/2003 8:03:14 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: Sam's Army; montag813; republicanwizard
It was James Shields who challenged Lincoln to the duel. Shields was not blind, going on to be a Union Army general and the only person elected to the U. S. Senate from three different states (Illinois, Minnesote, and Missouri).
22 posted on 09/15/2003 8:03:35 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Sam's Army
Oh, I suspected as much. :)
23 posted on 09/15/2003 8:03:54 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
Thanks! Be sure to tell everyone you evet met.
24 posted on 09/15/2003 8:04:16 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
I thought he meant Shields. Was that the broadsword challenge?
25 posted on 09/15/2003 8:04:36 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
yes
26 posted on 09/15/2003 8:05:24 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Do not advertise, or attempt to sell or solicit. It's plain enough. Should need no further explainations. Every day one or more newbies gets nuked for this. Links to cafepress, ebay, et al, for the purposes of offering merchandise for sale are not welcome here. If we allowed this, we'd be wall-to-wall spam for t-shirts, books, stamps, coffee mugs, etc.


19 posted on 07/14/2003 7:00 PM EDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946087/posts?page=19#19

27 posted on 09/15/2003 8:08:40 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Grand Old Partisan
I'm about to commence going through six volumes of the collected papers of William H. Seward.

Generally, what is your impression of him?
28 posted on 09/15/2003 8:08:44 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: stainlessbanner
Just in time, the Lew Rockwell crowd has arrived to save the day.
29 posted on 09/15/2003 8:09:24 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: republicanwizard
I know. It is the truth. To be honest, I doubt many of those that heard both gentlemen understood what was going on. They were continually reprimanded for shooting their mouths off, but still, it must have taken great concentration.

That could be. Seems like nowadays, if you don't speak in short little sentences prepackaged by the mainstream media and institutions of learning, you're labeled an eccentric. People are so discouraged from using reason anymore and ridiculed if they veer from the mainstream even slightly before anyone even considers what was said.

I would give nearly anything to have been a fly on the wall during Sumner's Crime Against Kansas.

And the intellectual rebuttle from the Senator from South Carolina? :^)

30 posted on 09/15/2003 8:10:03 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: stainlessbanner
"Do not advertise, or attempt to sell or solicit."

He did not advertise or attempt to sell or solicit. He was directing us to an informational site on the Internet.

"Links to cafepress, ebay, et al, for the purposes of offering merchandise for sale"

I know you are an uneducated hayseed, but do you consider books merchandise?
31 posted on 09/15/2003 8:11:13 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: afz400
Well Lincoln didn't exactly like Indians

He did spare the life of an Indian Chief in the Black Hawk war, despite the fact that his cohorts in the Indiana Militia wanted him executed immediately.

He wanted blacks sent back to Africa

Him and about 80% of all white people at the time. Nevertheless, he was the first President to use the ending of slavery as an issue (albeit only in states "under rebellion"). For his time, he was a "moderate" on racial issues (Thaddeaus Stevens and the great William Seward were much more progressive on this point than Abe).

32 posted on 09/15/2003 8:11:33 AM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Damn, and I have to get to class in 30 minutes.
33 posted on 09/15/2003 8:11:50 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
After Abraham Lincoln beat William Seward for the nomination, Seward sent his close political ally of three decades, Thurlow Weed, to Springfield to check him out. Upon returning to New York, Weed looked Seward in the eye and said: "Abraham Lincoln is the best man I ever met."

gotta go
34 posted on 09/15/2003 8:12:17 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: #3Fan
You mean his nephew-Preston Brooks? Douglas and Toombs sat there and did nothing. Typical Democratic gentlemen.
35 posted on 09/15/2003 8:12:51 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
BTTT
36 posted on 09/15/2003 8:12:59 AM PDT by The Mayor (He who waits on the Lord will not be chrushed by the weights of adversity.)
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To: Clemenza
Ah, another William Henry Seward admirer.

This is an Irrepressible Conflict!
37 posted on 09/15/2003 8:13:32 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Yes, Thurlow Weed was an incredible political operative and a shrewd analyst of men. He thought he would go tell Lincoln what was what, and he was told what was what.
38 posted on 09/15/2003 8:15:04 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
You mean his nephew-Preston Brooks?

Yeah, you're right.

Douglas and Toombs sat there and did nothing. Typical Democratic gentlemen.

Democrats haven't changed much in 140+ years.

39 posted on 09/15/2003 8:18:00 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: republicanwizard
In Madison Square Park here in NYC, there is a prominently displayed statue of William Seward. Its a shame that too few people know of this great man. A bigger shame are the people that New Yorker currently elect to national and statewide office...
40 posted on 09/15/2003 8:18:20 AM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: #3Fan
Douglas even commented on how unmoved he was to help Sumner.

Democrats are still the same. :) Maybe we should treat them the same. :0
41 posted on 09/15/2003 8:19:01 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: #3Fan
And the intellectual rebuttle from the Senator from South Carolina? :^)

Actually, he was a Representative, a cousin of the Senator, who was rather elderly.

42 posted on 09/15/2003 8:19:34 AM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: Clemenza
Yes, I wonder how many have been to Auburn to see his house.

I'm glad to hear that he has a statue in the city. Isn't it a shame what New York now produces politically, Rudy and the Lone Ranger Pataki aside?
43 posted on 09/15/2003 8:20:15 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Restorer
No, I believe it was Senator Butler's nephew-Preston Brooks. Brooks was fairly young and much younger than Sumner.

What a disgrace. They couldn't challenge the truth of what Sumner said, so they beat him for it.
44 posted on 09/15/2003 8:21:52 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
Patakifeller is a big spending joke of a Republican. Rudy is good on some issues, atrocious on others, but would make a great governor in terms of managing the state.
45 posted on 09/15/2003 8:21:55 AM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: republicanwizard
I know you are an uneducated hayseed, but do you consider books merchandise?

If they're not, it will be a great shock to all publishers, book store owners, etc.

46 posted on 09/15/2003 8:22:04 AM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: #3Fan; republicanwizard; Non-Sequitur; justshutupandtakeit
Every Confederate rebel was a Democrat.
47 posted on 09/15/2003 8:22:48 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Restorer
Sad, but typical. Don't want to learn em too much, no? Else they get a bit too sofisti'cated.
48 posted on 09/15/2003 8:23:03 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Well, Alexander Stevens was a former Whig. However, by and large, the entire South went Democratic after the 1850 Compromise.
49 posted on 09/15/2003 8:23:39 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: afz400
he let Sherman kill a bunch of teenage kids as a "Christmas present" to him.

The only "Christmas present" I'm aware of that Sherman gave Lincoln was the city of Savannah, which surrendered. What teenage kids are you talking about.

50 posted on 09/15/2003 8:24:14 AM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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