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Republicans, Let us Honor Abraham Lincoln Today
National Park Service ^ | 9/15/2003 | RepublianWizard

Posted on 09/15/2003 6:37:23 AM PDT by republicanwizard

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To: viligantcitizen
Well said!
101 posted on 09/15/2003 10:52:25 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: republicanwizard
By the way, it wasn't a war between the states.....I will not recognize it as the WBTS.

How Lincoln's War, the War of Northern Aggression or the War for Southern Independence

102 posted on 09/15/2003 10:59:30 AM PDT by sheltonmac (The difference? One party believes in big government; the other party has a jackass for a mascot)
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To: sheltonmac
How Lincoln's War, the War of Northern Aggression or the War for Southern Independence

How about War of Southern Rebellion, Jeff Davis's War, or just plain old Civil War?

103 posted on 09/15/2003 11:03:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
How about the War of Constitutional Abandonment?
104 posted on 09/15/2003 11:05:04 AM PDT by rebelyell
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To: stainlessbanner; republicanwizard
If Southern conservatives consider the Civil War to have been unjust, then:

1. They cannot be Republicans.
2. They should not be Republicans.
3. It's time to ride them out of the Party.


75 posted on 09/15/2003 1:02 PM EDT by republicanwizard

republicanwizard; you demonstrate exceptionally profound ignorance to post such a comment.
105 posted on 09/15/2003 11:05:55 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: rebelyell
How about the War of Constitutional Abandonment?

I don't have a problem with it but I think that the rebs on this forum would hate being reminded of the actions of the Jeff Davis regime.

106 posted on 09/15/2003 11:07:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Davis wasn't bound by constitution the U.S. government. Lincoln was.
107 posted on 09/15/2003 11:22:01 AM PDT by rebelyell
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To: stainlessbanner; Constitution Day
CD,
Thought you may wish to consider this, as posted @ #75.
108 posted on 09/15/2003 11:24:07 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: stainlessbanner
Without reading anything but #75, I'd have to say that it might be time for those with Southern sympathies to 'ride out' on our own, and take the Christians with us.

Why the 'big tenters' are in such a hurry to buy the votes of the gays and the poverty pimps, while shunning all things conservative is beyond me. I will remain a conservative as I have been. I will continue to be pro-gun and pro-life, and I will continue to believe that the WBTS was prosecuted improperly, regardless of the benefits we receive from being one nation today.

Given that we have a 'repuiblican' majority running all three branches of governmnet right now, their progress on pro-life and pro-gun issues leads me to the conclusion that the repulicans are becoming less and less the party of conservatives, and I cannot readily identify anything less worthy of my loyalty than the republican party.

109 posted on 09/15/2003 11:35:43 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Gianni; stainlessbanner
Why the 'big tenters' are in such a hurry to buy the votes of the gays and the poverty pimps, while shunning all things conservative is beyond me. I will remain a conservative as I have been. I will continue to be pro-gun and pro-life, and I will continue to believe that the WBTS was prosecuted improperly, regardless of the benefits we receive from being one nation today.

Worth repeating. It seems that the Republicans are in a hurry to abandon what conservative values they have in their attempt to garner more votes. Still the 'pubbies are the party supporting the unborn, and the party supporting the freedom OF religion, so that counts for something. But it is a tragic shame that neither major party supports limited government as delineated by the Constitution.

110 posted on 09/15/2003 11:55:31 AM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
There is nothing conservative about trying to overthrow the government or killing U. S. troops.
111 posted on 09/15/2003 12:01:43 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
There is nothing conservative about trying to overthrow the government or killing U. S. troops.

No attempt was made to overthrow the US government. No plan was hatched to send assassins to Washington to kill President Lincoln. They simply wanted to form a new nation, founded upon the Constitution that they deemed to be violated. Lincoln wanted the to collect the tariffs that would be sent to the Congederate government, stated he had no intention nor legal right of interference in anything else, and sent warships to SC to takeover the ports. All this while LYING to former US Justice Campbell, the peace commisioners and his own cabinet. Just as I would shoot the invader crawling thru my window, the Confederacy defended themselves.

Re the killing of US troops, not one US soldier would have been killed if Lincoln hadn't sent them into the South to start the war.

112 posted on 09/15/2003 1:05:44 PM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: republicanwizard
I call the defenders of Treason the D.S.s (Defenders of Slaverocracy.) It is more accurate as it is more accurate to refer to the War as the Slavers' Revolt.
113 posted on 09/15/2003 1:05:44 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: republicanwizard
It was and ever shall be The Slavers' Revolt.
114 posted on 09/15/2003 1:09:29 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: republicanwizard
Republicans, Let us Honor Abraham Lincoln Today

You're joking, right?

Honor the father of our ever-growing federal government and destroyer of the Constitution?

Hell no!

115 posted on 09/15/2003 1:15:12 PM PDT by A2J ((R)nuld...the last great hope... for the Democratic Party.)
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To: rebelyell
Davis wasn't bound by constitution the U.S. government. Lincoln was.

Davis was theoretically bound by the confederate constitution and if stories be true then he ignored that at will.

116 posted on 09/15/2003 1:34:11 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: A2J
Yeah damn it. Government is so evil, isn't it? Especially when it stops one race from enslaving another.
117 posted on 09/15/2003 4:27:19 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: stainlessbanner
And all would have been illigitmate and put down by the Federal Government had they come to fruition.
118 posted on 09/15/2003 4:28:22 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: viligantcitizen
If you were not in our party in the first place, we wouldn't need your votes since Northern states would easily fall into our column.
119 posted on 09/15/2003 4:29:00 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: justshutupandtakeit
That's a good title.
120 posted on 09/15/2003 4:29:45 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
I prefer this song...for when we LEAVE again...for GOOD!

We are a band of brothers, and native to the soil,
Fighting for our Liberty with treasure, blood and toil;
And when our rights were threaten'd, the cry rose
near and far,
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag, that bears a
Single Star!
Chorus:
Hurrah! Hurrah! for Southern Rights, Hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a
Single Star!

First, gallant South Carolina nobly made the stand;
Then came Alabama who took her by the hand;
Next, quickly Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida,
All rais'd on high the Bonnie Blue Flag, That bears a
Single Star! (Chorus)

Ye men of valor, gather round the Banner of the Right,
Texas and Louisiana, join us in the fight;
Davis, our loved President, and Stephens, Statesman
rare,
Now rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag, That bears a
Single Star! (Chorus)

And here's to brave Virginia! The Old Dominion State,
With the young Confederacy at length has link'd her
fate
Impell'd by her example, now other States prepare
To hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag,That bears a
Single Star! (Chorus)
121 posted on 09/15/2003 4:34:24 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
"Fighting for our Liberty with treasure, blood and toil"

And, at the same time, "Fighting to take away another's Liberty with treasure, blood, and toil."

Did the slaves not have the same right?

122 posted on 09/15/2003 4:36:23 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
or perhaps this one.....


O, I'm a good old Rebel,
Now that's just what I am,
For this "Fair Land of Freedom"
I do not care damn;
I'm glad I fit against it --
I only wish we'd won,
And I don't want no pardon
For anything I done.

I hates the Constitution,
This Great Republic too,
I hates the Freedman's Bureau;
In uniforms of blue;

I hates the nasty eagle,
With all his brags and fuss,
The lyin', thievin' Yankees,
I hates 'em wuss and wuss.

I hates the Yankee nation
And everything they do,
I hates the Declaration
Of Independence too;

I hates the glorious Union --
'Tis dripping with our blood --
I hates their striped banner,
I fit it all I could.

I followed old mass' Robert
For four year, near about,
Got wounded in three places
And starved at Pint Lookout;

I cotch the rheumatism
A campin' in the snow,
But I killed a chance of Yankees,
I'd like to kill some mo'.

Three hundred thousand Yankees
Is stiff in Southern dust;
We got three hundred thousand
Before they conquered us;

They died of Southern fever
And Southern steel and shot,
I wish they was three million
Instead of what we got.

I can't take up my musket
And fight 'em now no more,
But I ain't going to love 'em,
Now that is sarten sure;

And I don't want no pardon
For what I was and am,
I won't be reconstructed
And I don't care a damn.
123 posted on 09/15/2003 4:38:47 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: republicanwizard
NO...under the laws of the time they were considered "property"....read the "Dred Scott Decision".

And Ole Abe could have cared less for them anyway. Read his 1st Inaugaral Address.....
124 posted on 09/15/2003 4:41:04 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
That pretty much summarizes you. A racist, unpatriotic, recreant, an embarrassment for an American, a desperate traitor.
125 posted on 09/15/2003 4:41:39 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: TexConfederate1861
You cannot show me any quote from the First Inaugural in which slaves are treated as mere property.
126 posted on 09/15/2003 4:42:17 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: TexConfederate1861
You cannot show me any quote from the First Inaugural in which slaves are treated as mere property.
127 posted on 09/15/2003 4:42:34 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: TexConfederate1861
You cannot show me any quote from the First Inaugural in which slaves are treated as mere property.
128 posted on 09/15/2003 4:42:35 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: TexConfederate1861
You cannot show me any quote from the First Inaugural in which slaves are treated as mere property.
129 posted on 09/15/2003 4:42:55 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
First of all you ignorant S*O*B....you have no idea of what you are saying:
1. I am a veteran of the United States Navy, and PROUD of it. Hence no "traitor".

2. I support our troops in Iraq, therefore I am not unpatriotic.

3. My family as well as myself have always answered the call, but the country that I love is becoming something that is contrary to the US Constitution, and the wishes of the founding fathers. Hence, if it cannot be fixed, then it is the constitutional right to secede that is left.

Also: Abraham Lincoln was a dictator, a baboon, and a moron, and the only thing I regret is that he wasn't shot in time to save our constitutional government.

If you had an IQ higher than 10, which I doubt, or if you knew your history, which you DONT....then you would realize that ALL the abuses of power, executive orders, and violations of our Constitution which have been committed, STARTED with ABE!

I suggest you keep your mouth shut, so that you don't let on how ignorant you are!

And before you and the rest of your Neo-Yank crowd start calling me racist, I think slavery was evil, and that the end of it was the only good thing in that war.
130 posted on 09/15/2003 7:14:52 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: republicanwizard
Lincoln said he had no intention of interfering with slavery where it already existed. The Supreme Court decided that blacks were considered property.


I don't agree with that decision, I am simply saying that by the laws of the day, they were considered such.
131 posted on 09/15/2003 7:18:11 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: azhenfud
That was one of the more asinine things I've seen lately.
132 posted on 09/16/2003 7:57:04 AM PDT by Constitution Day (+ R.I.P., Man in Black. +)
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To: Restorer
"What teenage kids are you talking about."
Teenagers were the only Southern forces left to oppose Sherman. Wheeler's cavalry were the only adults, the rest were under-aged reserves of perhaps 14,000 troops - no match for the 62,000 Union troops. There was absolutely no reason for Sherman to slaughter these people and burn their land and crops and animals - pure cruelty.
In addition Sherman got General Grant to expel all Jews from his army. And Lincoln praised him.
He also was involved in the slaughter of Indians. Sherman was a railroad investor and he lobbied his brother, Senator John Sherman, to allocate federal funds for the transcontinental railroad. "We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians stop and check the progress of the railroad," he wrote to General Grant in 1867.
I find it amazing the number of people who have been dumbed down so much that they can perpetuate the myth that Lincoln was a good man. Read your history.
133 posted on 09/16/2003 9:26:02 AM PDT by afz400
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To: afz400
Did you shed a tear for the teenage Hitler Youth in the German Army killed by the U. S. Army during World War II?
134 posted on 09/16/2003 9:35:19 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: republicanwizard
What always amazes me about this debate is that, as much as I dislike Lincoln, and what he did to the Law of the Land, both of these candidates were saying real things, and they were having a depp argument, and huge crowds of Americans stood and actually listened intently. That's how much we have changed today, culturally. It's sad. The issues in these very debates have a great deal with why we have become the pathetic culture we have become, too.
135 posted on 09/16/2003 9:47:27 AM PDT by agrandis (What kind of nation sends its women into combat?)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
So your're saying that Southerners were like Hitler? What total crap. I think they had a valid point that they joined the United States voluntarily and could leave any time they wanted. Why couldn't Lincoln left well enough alone - they would have rejoined later on their own. If anyone should be compared to Hitler it's Sherman who delighted in seeing other people suffer and die. Screw you.
136 posted on 09/16/2003 10:21:18 AM PDT by afz400
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To: afz400
These Neo-Yankees aren't fit to wipe our backside....we shouldn't be falling for their old tricks to draw us in...
(and I include myself in that!)

Just remember, a label of "traitor" or anything else they throw at us is a badge of honor, because they know we threaten the "empire" they represent. We want to see this country go back to following the Constitution, and it scares them to death!

Deo Vindice!
137 posted on 09/16/2003 1:10:59 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Since it concerns OUR country, not yours, I wouldn't worry about it. We don't.
138 posted on 09/16/2003 1:14:37 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: TexConfederate1861; afz400; Non-Sequitur
TexasConfederate1861:

If Mexicans one day become a majority in Texas and the Texas legislature votes to secede from the United States, would you shoot policemen and U. S. soldiers who try to prevent it?
139 posted on 09/16/2003 1:33:55 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
That question is loaded, and YOU know it.
But yes, if the Legislature seceded I would have to say that is within their rights to do so.

Wether I would fight, well, that would depend on the exact circumstances.
140 posted on 09/16/2003 2:10:52 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Besides, what makes you think that they wouldn't be fighting on the side of the Legislature?

Remember, there were a LOT of ex-US Army officers in the Confederate Army.
141 posted on 09/16/2003 2:14:22 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
The exact circumstance would be: If the Texas legislature votes to secede, would YOU shoot policemen and U. S. soldiers who try to prevent it?
142 posted on 09/16/2003 2:49:42 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
If my state voted legally to leave the union, and declared it's independence, AND the federal government tried to coerce it back thru force, AND if my state called upon me to defend it's rights.....YES, I would fight. Like Robert E. Lee, my highest duty is to my home FIRST. And my home is TEXAS. Now....would I agonize over such a decision. YES.....I love my country. But I love my home more.
143 posted on 09/16/2003 5:17:42 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: afz400
Wheeler's cavalry were the only adults, the rest were under-aged reserves of perhaps 14,000 troops - no match for the 62,000 Union troops.

I presume you think the Israelis should not shoot back if the Palestinians shooting at them happen to be teenagers? What would you do if a 16-year old shot at you? Ignore him?

In addition Sherman got General Grant to expel all Jews from his army. And Lincoln praised him.

I have never read that Grant's poorly worded order regarding Jewish merchants (not all Jews, since he had Jews who were soldiers) was at Sherman's instigation. Do you have proof of this? You also imply that Lincoln praised Grant (or possibly Sherman, your wording is a little vague) for issuing this order. In actual fact, Lincoln ordered Grant to reverse the order and publicly reproved him. He praised both generals because they won battles, not for any other reason.

He also was involved in the slaughter of Indians.

Amazing. When did participation in an Indian war become something to be tossed about by conservatives as iniquitous?

If so, you're going to have to denounce George Washington, Jeff Davis, Robert E. Lee and every other American soldier before the 20th century. Do you really want to do that?

Sherman was a railroad investor and he lobbied his brother, Senator John Sherman, to allocate federal funds for the transcontinental railroad.

Without such funds, the railroad would not have been built for several more decades. Was its construction a bad thing? Most of the funding was in the form of public lands which weren't worth much of anything until after the railroad was built.

144 posted on 09/16/2003 5:29:10 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: Restorer
Honest Abe was a statist pig that got what he had coming, though sadly, too late.
145 posted on 09/16/2003 5:35:18 PM PDT by Comus
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Every Confederate rebel was a Democrat.

Democrats then were far less socialistic than Republicans are now.

BTW, was lincoln, Thomas Lincoln's son? I know abe was Nancy Hanks' son.

146 posted on 09/16/2003 5:48:05 PM PDT by UncleDudley
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To: TexConfederate1861
If my state voted legally to leave the union

Which, of course, was the entire issue. At least 2 out of 3 American voters in 1861 did not believe it was possible for a state to legally secede. It is, of course, interesting that there was no attempt made to address the issue via legal terms by the secessionists.

147 posted on 09/16/2003 6:34:06 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: TexConfederate1861
Since it concerns OUR country, not yours, I wouldn't worry about it. We don't.

Normally I wouldn't care about the tyranny of the Davis regime, but you and your reb buddies constantly harp on the actions of President Lincoln (in 'my' country) while ignoring the illegal actions of the Davis regime (in 'your' country). Why does that concern you?

148 posted on 09/17/2003 3:40:04 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: UncleDudley
The Democrats were the pro-slavery party, and there's nothing more socialistic than slavery.
149 posted on 09/17/2003 6:54:35 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Because HIS actions effected MY country.....and my home
150 posted on 09/17/2003 1:38:43 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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