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Republicans, Let us Honor Abraham Lincoln Today
National Park Service ^ | 9/15/2003 | RepublianWizard

Posted on 09/15/2003 6:37:23 AM PDT by republicanwizard

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To: Restorer
The teenage children that Hood commanded and massacred because of his Southern pride and stupidity and Davis' stubborn insistence on replacing the shrewd Johnson (sp) with the chivalric knight Hood.
51 posted on 09/15/2003 8:26:01 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
If you want the FR policy changed, appeal to JimRob. Mine was a friendly reminder.
52 posted on 09/15/2003 8:26:10 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: republicanwizard
By the Civil War, the South was solidly Democrat. The chief exceptions were the blacks and the Appalachian and Ozark Unionists, who voted Republican as soon as they could.
53 posted on 09/15/2003 8:26:33 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: republicanwizard
Douglas even commented on how unmoved he was to help Sumner. Democrats are still the same. :) Maybe we should treat them the same. :0

Well, they did attack Republican stronghold Texas at Waco, but it wasn't federal property I guess. And three of them did hobnob with Saddam. I guess it doesn't rise to the level of Fort Sumter yet though. :^)

54 posted on 09/15/2003 8:26:40 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: stainlessbanner
I didn't say it was violated.
55 posted on 09/15/2003 8:27:45 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Restorer
Actually, he was a Representative, a cousin of the Senator, who was rather elderly.

Yeah, I guess he sent in a hitman. Mafia action on the Senate floor, unbelievable. :^)

56 posted on 09/15/2003 8:28:33 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: republicanwizard
Please understand an advertising-free forum facilitates exchange of free ideas and open discussion.
57 posted on 09/15/2003 8:35:47 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: republicanwizard
Lincoln makes me hesitant to admit to my relatives I'm a Republican.(Note correct spelling)

His dirty little war was the beginning of the end of Constitutional government.
58 posted on 09/15/2003 8:50:08 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: republicanwizard
The Gettysburg Address (updated):

Now we are engaged in a great war on terror, testing whether this nation, or any nation so conceived in liberty and dedicated to the propositions of human freedom and the intrinsic dignity of an open society, can long endure. We are engaged on a great battlefield of that war in Iraq, and earlier, in Afghanistan. The brave men and women, living and dead, who struggled there, have consecrated our struggle.

The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here on these boards, but it can never forget what our fighting men and women did there. It is for us the living, rather, to rededicated ourselves to the unfinished work which they who fought have thus far so nobly advanced, to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we may take increased devotion to the cause of human freedom and democracy for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that freedom-loving Iraqis, and all our friends around the world, and most especially, our nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that governments of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

(With profound apologies to Abraham Lincoln for the appropriation of his sacred words.)

59 posted on 09/15/2003 8:51:07 AM PDT by OESY
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To: stainlessbanner
Please understand that you and the other neo-Confederates use Free Republic to express your veneration for Robert Lee and other killers of hundreds of thousands of U. S. troops, at a time when other U. S. troops are being killed in Iraq.
60 posted on 09/15/2003 8:52:43 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: OESY
That's very good. Never Forget
61 posted on 09/15/2003 9:00:01 AM PDT by baseballmom (Baseball is life - the rest is just details)
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To: republicanwizard
"...whilst the Democratic party continues the same national party it was at that day." "...Why, they brought Fred Douglass to Freeport, when I was addressing a meeting there, in a carriage driven by the white owner, the negro sitting inside with the white lady and her daughter. (Shame.)" Stephen Douglas

Exactly the same today. Democrats trying to keep the Negroes down on the plantation, in their place.
62 posted on 09/15/2003 9:14:54 AM PDT by baseballmom (Baseball is life - the rest is just details)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
You're so easy to predict, Johnny-One note.
63 posted on 09/15/2003 9:14:55 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
My screen name extols the Republican Party, yours a flag carried by killers of U. S. troops. We're both so easy to predict.
64 posted on 09/15/2003 9:23:54 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
The same could be said of Old Glory. Americans killed Americans - I don't think anyone wants that again.

What is the purpose of splitting the conservative voting base? Angering Southerners your critical comments is no way to win support for the GOP.

Please don't send FReepmail.

65 posted on 09/15/2003 9:31:36 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Your argument is with the United States Army, not with me.
66 posted on 09/15/2003 9:53:01 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Redbob
Acutally, having you as a Republican makes me hesitant to tell anyone I'M A REPUBLICAN!
67 posted on 09/15/2003 9:53:27 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: stainlessbanner
It isn't Southerners we anger. It's traitors.
68 posted on 09/15/2003 9:54:12 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: OESY
AMEN!
69 posted on 09/15/2003 9:54:25 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
Too bad Booth (or some other hero) didn't send a bullet through his brain before the tyrant got in office.
70 posted on 09/15/2003 9:57:19 AM PDT by rebelyell
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To: Grand Old Partisan
No argument from me - now back to the question....
71 posted on 09/15/2003 9:57:44 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: republicanwizard
The question was actually about southern conservatives, not traitors.
72 posted on 09/15/2003 9:59:49 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: rebelyell
Too bad Lincoln didn't put a noose around the neck of Robert E. Lee after he betrayed his country, and after the war, Lincoln should have had a noose put around the neck of your ancestor for insurrection against the lawful government of the United States.

Ah, but Lincoln was too compassionate a man.

Do you know there isn't an iota of difference between what Benedict Arnold did and what Robert E. Lee did?
73 posted on 09/15/2003 10:01:19 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: stainlessbanner
There's nothing conservative about trying to overthrow the government or killing U. S. troops.
74 posted on 09/15/2003 10:01:55 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: stainlessbanner
If Southern conservatives consider the Civil War to have been unjust, then:

1. They cannot be Republicans.
2. They should not be Republicans.
3. It's time to ride them out of the Party.
75 posted on 09/15/2003 10:02:13 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: PistolPaknMama; SC partisan; l8pilot; Gianni; azhenfud; annyokie; SCDogPapa; thatdewd; ...
I invite each of you to the thread with the culmination of events at post 75

Comments?

76 posted on 09/15/2003 10:07:06 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: republicanwizard
Lincoln was a despotic tyrant and got exactly what he deserved. Had he lived and filled out his second term, he wouldn't have harmed one hair on Lee's head, just as the radical repubbies you worship were terrified of trying Davis and the other Confederate leaders. If you had half a brain you would know why but I don't think you are due that much credit.

Here's a hint....the Supreme Court didn't want Davis to plead his case before them because they knew he and his cause would be vindicated. They were right and the country has been screwed up ever since. Not that anyone cares, anymore....
77 posted on 09/15/2003 10:07:51 AM PDT by rebelyell
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To: republicanwizard
Do you know there isn't an iota of difference between what Benedict Arnold did and what Robert E. Lee did?

Well, Lee was involved with a domestic insurrection, while Arnold defected to a foreign government. If Lee had been "the same," he would have jumped at Lincoln's offer of command and then used his position to ensure the defet of the Union. But Lee, unlike Arnold, was man of honor.

A lot of those who worship Lee are unaware of how opposed he was to secession.

78 posted on 09/15/2003 10:09:04 AM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: rebelyell
"Lincoln was a despotic tyrant and got exactly what he deserved."

So, you even go so far as to justify murder. What a sick man you are. Well, more like snake you are.

"just as the radical repubbies you worship were terrified of trying Davis and the other Confederate leaders."

We put your little traitor in jail, but unfortunately, Lincoln was followed by a Southern sympathizer who aided and abetted your cruel, racist policies.

"If you had half a brain you would know why but I don't think you are due that much credit."

I'd rather have a half a brain than the none you have.

"because they knew he and his cause would be vindicated."

You mean the right for any American to walk outside tomorrow, secede, kill thousands of Americans, and then call it legal and just?

"They were right and the country has been screwed up ever since."

Yeah, we've been screwed up ever since we freed the slaves.

Question: what is your opinion of the institution of slavery? Tip: don't tell me it was "peculiar"











79 posted on 09/15/2003 10:11:35 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Restorer
"Well, Lee was involved with a domestic insurrection, while Arnold defected to a foreign government."

From the British perspective, it was a "domestic insurrection."

"But Lee, unlike Arnold, was man of honor."

What man of honor uses the sword and presige given to him by the Federal Government to then turn and use it on his fellow countrymen?

"A lot of those who worship Lee are unaware of how opposed he was to secession."

I'm acquainted with your line of logic here, but unfortunately, many of Hitler's generals were opposed to Hitler's ideology. It isn't enough to excuse their failings, and it isn't enough to excuse Lee's.



80 posted on 09/15/2003 10:13:51 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
I invited some others to our friendly thread. Many of them had ancestors who fought for both sides in the WBTS. Many of them live in the South, many of them do not. Many of them are contributors to FR and the GOP, many of them are not.

I am curious to hear their reaction to your statements in post 75.

81 posted on 09/15/2003 10:13:55 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Grand Old Partisan
If you cannot answer the questions directly, then we must proceed no further. I believe wizard answered the question I addressed to you in 75. Do you agree with the assessment in 75?
82 posted on 09/15/2003 10:16:08 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
I'm more than willing to debate them on the merits. However, would 3:30 be a better time?

By the way, it wasn't a war between the states. It was a war by some states against the United States. It was an insurrection.

I will not recognize it as the WBTS.
83 posted on 09/15/2003 10:16:44 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
what an INCREDIBLY DUMB & ill-informed post.

BUT you are intitled to hold any opinion, even one as SILLY as yours.

please kick us southrons out of the GOP. we'll go start a new and conservative party. when/if we do, both the GOP & the DIMocRATS will never win another nation-wide election.

both current parties will cease to be national parties & will become "a party of neo-conservatives, that can carry the country club vote" and NOBODY else AND a "party of the most extreme leftist/socialist sort, leading a few hundred thousand of the "poorest of the poor" & some "organized labor lunatics".

THAT will hasten dixie LIBERTY, like nothing else the damnyankee elites can do.

free dixie,sw

84 posted on 09/15/2003 10:17:51 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: republicanwizard
Calling the Civil War the WBTS ignores the 200,00 southern blacks and 100,000 southern whites who enlisted in the United States Army and Navy to defend our country against the Confederate rebels.
85 posted on 09/15/2003 10:19:10 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: stainlessbanner
No man can be a Republican who does not adhere to those principles on which the Party was founded. If the Republican Party turns it back on its past and becomes a supporter of secession and slavery, then one of us must leave. If necessary, it will be me.

You will not taint this party with the blood of traitors.

You will not destroy this party with the language of nullification and interposition.

You will not speak for this party with the rhetoric of the slaveowners.

You will not replace the sword of Washington with the whip of the slave driver.

You will not pervert our principles of man's equality.

You will not imbue the party with malice and hatred.
86 posted on 09/15/2003 10:20:35 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
Too bad Lincoln didn't put a noose around the neck of Robert E. Lee after he betrayed his country

So that's it wizard - no due process, just hang 'em and kill 'em. No rights, no trial, no jury of peers.

Lincoln had much better judgement than you have demonstrated here.

Lee was loyal to his country and his home state of Virginia. Had you read of his account leading to 20 April, you might understand the depths of his decision.

87 posted on 09/15/2003 10:20:44 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Yes, well, of course, they still don't understand this is a Federal Union that cannot be dissolved.
88 posted on 09/15/2003 10:22:40 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
1. They cannot be Republicans.
2. They should not be Republicans.
3. It's time to ride them out of the Party.

As well they shouldn't or dare I say want to. The fruition of lincoln's big government Whig beliefs has come to the forefront with the latest rendition of the Republican Party. No longer do they even try to hide it (Gillespie), they just promise more than the 'other guy' promises. Southern conservatives, nor any conservative worth their salt, should want to be a member of a big government party anymore

And you shouldn't have to worry about 'riding them out of the Party'. The big government policies of many if not all Republican officials at the national level are doing that all on their own

89 posted on 09/15/2003 10:26:25 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: republicanwizard
Slavery was a horrible institution. I will not defend it.

Now, can you tell me why neither Jefferson Davis, his entire cabinet, the Confederate Congress and military leaders of the CSA were not charged and tried for treason?
90 posted on 09/15/2003 10:27:28 AM PDT by rebelyell
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To: republicanwizard
"Any people, anywhere...." - 1848
91 posted on 09/15/2003 10:29:10 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Grand Old Partisan
None were Republicans thats for sure. Nor were any of the original KKKers.
92 posted on 09/15/2003 10:29:27 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: rebelyell
President Lincoln wanted Jefferson Davis to be allowed to escape to Europe. It was President Andrew Johnson, a Democrat and arch-enemy of the Radical Republicans, who imprisoned Davis for two years.

It was firm Republican policy that there be no treason trials for anyone. The Republicans wanted "malice toward none, charity toward all," while Andrew Johnson had vowed to hang "Jefferson Davis and his pirate crew [his words]".

93 posted on 09/15/2003 10:33:46 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The Ku Klux Klan originated as the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party.
94 posted on 09/15/2003 10:34:27 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: republicanwizard
This paranoia that traitors and slaveowners are trying to inflitrate the GOP is hilarious! This rant has no foundation in present-day politics.
95 posted on 09/15/2003 10:36:30 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Your veneration for killers of U. S. troops in the 1860s has no place in present-day politics.
96 posted on 09/15/2003 10:38:27 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: republicanwizard
Below are some past attempts at secession. Many statesmen including Lincoln acknowledged the right to secede:

Examples of Secession


97 posted on 09/15/2003 10:39:48 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
In 1832, South Carolina-born President Andrew Jackson warned South Carolina secessionist wannabes: "If one drop of blood be shed in defiance of the laws of the United States I will hang the first man of them I can get my hands on to the first tree I can find." Virginia-born President Zachary Taylor threatened much the same thing in 1850.
98 posted on 09/15/2003 10:44:21 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: republicanwizard; stainlessbanner
If Southern conservatives consider the Civil War to have been unjust, then:

1. They cannot be Republicans.

2. They should not be Republicans.

3. It's time to ride them out of the Party.

Thanks for the ping Stainlessbanner.

First, I don't look at the WBTS in a judgemental context. As a Georgian, I hold no grudge against Sherman or Lincoln, nor the thousands of Union soldiers whose graves inhabit the ground around here. Because I would want the same from an ancestor of one of those union soldiers that one of my ancestors may have killed.

No matter who we feel was right or wrong, nothing is to be gained by insulting long dead men.

That being said, Mr. "Wizard", without southern conservatives, there is no GOP majority or President.

99 posted on 09/15/2003 10:45:19 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Game on in ten seconds...http://www.fatcityonline.com/Video/fatcityvsdemented.WMV)
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To: Restorer
In case anyone doubted it, this is excellent proof that Douglas was not only a total racist (far more so than Lincoln) but, far from being the Little Giant, just another Pygmy. His racist followers are whooping it up at every racial slur, insult and attack.
100 posted on 09/15/2003 10:47:36 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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