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Former Boy Scout Master Accused Of Sexual Abuse - works for Florida's child welfare agency!
Tampa Tribune ^ | Sep 14, 2003

Posted on 09/15/2003 12:27:31 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

GAINESVILLE - A former Scout master with the Boy Scouts of America who also works for the state's child welfare agency was arrested on charges of raping a boy in his troop. Hugh Eric Self, 35, was charged with sexually abusing the child, now 12, several times between November 2002 and July, Alachua County Sheriff's Sgt. Keith Faulk said.

Self was held in the Alachua County jail with no bail set Saturday. He was arrested Friday.

According to the arrest report, Self met the boy, then 8, through Scouting events and the boy was later in his Scout troop. The child told authorities he didn't report the abuse earlier because Self had threatened him.

Self recently quit as Scout master and will be suspended from the organization, said John Reesor, Scout executive for the North Florida Council.

Self is employed by the Department of Children & Families as a public assistance caseworker, said Tom Barnes, Alachua County DCF spokesman. Self didn't work with children, but DCF officials moved him to the personnel office at Tacachale when they learned of the sheriff's investigation, Barnes said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; childmolestation; childmolestor; childsexualassault; culturewar; florida; gayscoutmaster; homosexualagenda; prisoners

1 posted on 09/15/2003 12:27:32 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
- works for Florida's child welfare agency!

As Willie Sutton would say, "that's where the boys are."

2 posted on 09/15/2003 12:36:41 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Oh yeh. Let the homos near your children - NOT!!!
3 posted on 09/15/2003 12:37:15 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Why do the predators have to sully one of the great insitutions like the BSA? They have tarnished so many great institutions as of late (publicly) and have further damaged more privately throughout history. I feel sorry for this young man as he will be scarred for life. Hopefully he will be able to surpass the scars of his abuse and break the cycle of abuse. All too often, abused people end up victimizing others. Let's hope that he will get the necessary help that will help him to deal with this abuse. Young man, our thoughts and prayers are with you.

My brother works as a Program Director at a Boy Scout Camp. He tells me that a huge number of boys that come to his camp have been abused at some time in their past. He helps to organize professionals to address this issue and puts the boys' families in contact with the authorities (or if the family is the abuser) contacts the necessary agencies to report the abuse. I sorrows me that people are breaking one of the great commandments of "suffering the children to come unto me".

This is not a political issue, but a moral issue.


END THE CYCLE OF ABUSE!!!
4 posted on 09/15/2003 12:39:27 PM PDT by Abram
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To: Abram
As a current Scoutmaster I am ever vigilant to ensure a predator is not among us.....Unfortunately, the reason the predators hang around all types of Boy's Clubs is that is where their prey is.....

While the remainder of the Scout leadership is not watching, these predators will hide among the adult leaders (or just one of the dad's) and could wreak havoc in short time....

All Scout Leaders are required to always have two deep leadership and a buddy system for the Scouts. No Scout is ever allowed in a Scout leaders (or adults) tent nor visa versa....

Thank God this one was caught before more children were assaulted.... There is a special place in Hell for these degenerates....

NeverGore
5 posted on 09/15/2003 12:53:05 PM PDT by nevergore (Please return your seat trays and seat backs to their full and upright position....)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
And so, the pressure groups are out there railing against the Boy Scouts' opposition to homosexual Scoutmasters. For what? To allow deviants easy access to young boys as was the case of this Florida man?

Greatly repulsive is the man who works his way into a position of great trust (such as a priest or Scoutmaster) in order to satisfy his sexual appetites. Equally repulsive are those who enable this kind of behavior in the name of "civil rights".
6 posted on 09/15/2003 1:55:19 PM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: nevergore
While the remainder of the Scout leadership is not watching, these predators will hide among the adult leaders (or just one of the dad's) and could wreak havoc in short time....

There are two scoutmasters from my old troop that are now doing hard time for child sex abuse. Luckily, I dodged the bullet, and it makes me really mad to hear about this stuff.

7 posted on 09/15/2003 2:05:27 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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8 posted on 09/16/2003 5:49:59 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: EdReform
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9 posted on 09/16/2003 6:11:19 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("What is impossible with men is possible with GOD -Luke 18:27)
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To: nevergore
That is wonderful. I am a Webelos leader and the leadership hesitated getting me an assistant. I complained and complained until I finally got another adult to work with me.

Thank you for your service. You are right, the prey is there and Scoutmasters are figures of authority and children can easily fall prey.

Thankfully, the numbers of occurences with the Scouts is limited (at least public). It is a very wholesome organization that encourages morality. It doesn't prevent it from happening, but hopefully, the safeguards can reduce the number of occurrences.
10 posted on 09/16/2003 7:18:58 AM PDT by Abram
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To: rrstar96
Not to derail your argument, pedophiles are different than homosexuals. Many studies indicate that homosexuals tend to be less likely to abuse children than heterosexual adults.

A lot of people have same sex attraction that are not "out of the closet" or even pedophiles. Lumping homosexuals into a category of abusers is not scientifically accurate. I worry about the youth of today and hope that they can be protected from the evils of life. They have enough to deal with without the sick preying upon them.
11 posted on 09/16/2003 7:23:03 AM PDT by Abram
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To: Abram
Why do the predators have to sully one of the great insitutions like the BSA Catholic Church?

Answer: They go where the children are, and where people don't expect to find evildoers. Note that we don't think of him as "sullying" Florida's child welfare agency. ;-}

12 posted on 09/16/2003 7:23:54 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: Abram
The Dad's (& Mom's) in your Webelo's Den should volunteer to be Scout Leaders....All it takes is they fill out the BSA form and pay ten bucks.....Get two or three to do this and you can rotate your assistants so they won't complain about the time commitment.....

Scout's and Cub structure are entirely different....Cub's are adult lead where Scout's are "boy lead"....

NeverGore
13 posted on 09/16/2003 7:40:59 AM PDT by nevergore (Please return your seat trays and seat backs to their full and upright position....)
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To: Abram
Not to derail your argument, pedophiles are different than homosexuals. Many studies indicate that homosexuals tend to be less likely to abuse children than heterosexual adults.

A lot of people have same sex attraction that are not "out of the closet" or even pedophiles. Lumping homosexuals into a category of abusers is not scientifically accurate.

You apparently don't get much reading done here. I'll point you to the studies, you read them.

Gay dads want their son to grow up straight (post 105)

See also posts 106 through 120 or so, also follow links provided. It is extrememly well established scientifically that someone who practices homosexual behvaior will also be far more likely to molest children. These are just a few that were posted in the last week or so. Turns out that a person who practices homosexual behavior is from 3 to 30 times more likely to also molest children. Read the posts and links and learn.

I don't know if it was linked on any of the provided links but it's also proven that a 'homosexual' molestor will have a far greater number of victims.

14 posted on 09/16/2003 8:37:33 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
You make some good points....I worry that people tend to label or compartamentalize people into little categories. Deviant behavior should be unacceptable, but not all homosexuals are pedophiles. There is a difference. Although some homosexuals are both homosexual and pedophiles, the two are completely different issues. There are several studies that demostrate that many pedophiles are heterosexual and appear to be good, upstanding members of the community.
Word to society, watch and protect your children. The nice woman at the library or the kindly gentleman at the park many be a monster under the surface. Family members are often the perpetrators...I hate suspecting anyone, but child abuse has hit very close to home in my life. It is a lot more common that people want to acknowledge or admit.
People put labels or tags on homosexuals. I agree with a couple of posters here that I hate that this forum descends quickly into homophobia and intolerance. Homosexuals in this circumstance was not the issue...it was pedophilia (in my opinion, an issue far worse as it is affecting children).
15 posted on 09/16/2003 9:14:24 AM PDT by Abram
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To: nevergore
I would agree except that I volunteer in a community that there are a lot of broken homes and families. These kids need the positive structure of the Scouting Program as they are not getting positive reinforcement at home. Parents were not willing to volunteer the time, but the leaders were able to find the volunteer needed to work with me in this program. Sorry, this is a scary time and I wanted to have another leader with me to hopefully false accusations and the like.
16 posted on 09/16/2003 9:17:23 AM PDT by Abram
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To: ArrogantBustard
These predators frequent locations where there are potential victims. You mention the Catholic Church...a popular scapegoat right now...unfortunately, just about every church, organization, group that works with children has been fingered and has been guilty of not protecting these children sufficently. The LDS Church, the Jehovah's Witnesses, many Protestant churchs, Jewish organizations, the Boys and Girls Clubs, Little League. Predators flock to areas where there are a lot of potential victims.
17 posted on 09/16/2003 9:21:50 AM PDT by Abram
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To: Abram
Homosexuals in this circumstance was not the issue...it was pedophilia (in my opinion, an issue far worse as it is affecting children).

Here we have a case of a man molesting a boy. That makes it homosexual. It is also pedophilia but it is definitely homosexual activity.

While there are more heterosexual molesters than 'homosexual' molesters there are a far higher percentage of 'homosexual' molesters than there should be based on the percentage of 'homosexuals' in the population. (something like 35% of all molesters are 'homosexuals' compared to only 1.6-2% 'homosexuals' in the population) BTW, I know a large number of people who were molested and most of them were molested by 'homosexuals'. I know of only two who were molested by heterosexuals.

What this boils down to is that every 'homosexual' must be considered a child molester as the odds are so great that he/she is. It's just not worth our children's safety to consider a sexual pervert as anything but a molester.

Which leads of course to the third law of homosexuality:

Any exposure of children to homosexual behvaior is child abuse

18 posted on 09/16/2003 9:25:36 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
So by your assumption that since men tend to perpetrate more than women, we should avoid allowing our children to associate with men?

I disagree.

I guess, me personally, I would be more careful with my children around homosexual men because studies have shown that homosexuals overwhelmingly can be demonstrated to be victims of abuse and victims of abuse overwhelmingly can be shown to be abusers. Unfortunately, the cycle of abuse continues.

The logic is slightly flawed, but I do see where you are coming from.
19 posted on 09/16/2003 10:03:55 AM PDT by Abram
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To: Abram; John O; Bryan; lentulusgracchus; Clint N. Suhks
"There are several studies that demostrate that many pedophiles are heterosexual and appear to be good, upstanding members of the community."


Would you please cite the studies you are referring to? Thanks!

20 posted on 09/16/2003 12:21:52 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Abram
So by your assumption that since men tend to perpetrate more than women, we should avoid allowing our children to associate with men?

No I'm saying we shouldn't let our children associate with sexual perverts. It's proven that once they practice one perversion (homosexual behavior) they are more likely to practice another (child molesting)

Children need good role models. These role models however should never be sexual perverts (as they are NOT good role models) and a child shopuld never be alone with an adult who is not his parent/grandparent/close and trusted relative/proven trustworthy person. That's why all reputable child service type organizations (BSA etc) have rules that say there must be two adults present at all times. (protects against the hidden sodomite)

I disagree.

I figured as much

I guess, me personally, I would be more careful with my children around homosexual men because studies have shown that homosexuals overwhelmingly can be demonstrated to be victims of abuse and victims of abuse overwhelmingly can be shown to be abusers. Unfortunately, the cycle of abuse continues.

Which is exactly what I've been saying. All 'homosexuals' must be considered as child molesters

The logic is slightly flawed, but I do see where you are coming from.

I don't see the flaw in the logic since you apparently agree with me.

21 posted on 09/16/2003 12:42:24 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
disclosure: I don't have children yet, but my wife and I are trying. When referring to "my children", I am referring to my expected, hopeful children sometime in the near future.

I guess the major difference between our stances (and I don't want to put words in your mouth) is that I don't have issues with homosexuals per se functioning as Scout Masters, priests, pastors, teachers, ect, but I would probably be more careful and monitoring my children around them. My brother is gay (he was abused as a child) and is an absolutely wonderful person. He is one of the most giving people that I know. Many of his friends are gay whom I like as well. I would feel comfortable leaving my children with my brother or allowing him to be a Scout Master, teacher, coach, ect. (in fact, he was a elementary school teacher in the D.C. area.). When my parents found out he had been abused (by a trusted family member), they got him the necessary counseling...as well as the rest of the family.

Sorry, but lumping everyone into on neat little package doesn't work. There are some heterosexual neighbors of mine that I would not let my children around without my wife or I being present. Just because they carry the heterosexual or homosexual label, to me, does not exempt or afford them any special privileges.
22 posted on 09/16/2003 1:21:26 PM PDT by Abram
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To: Abram
I do have children.

I guess the major difference between our stances (and I don't want to put words in your mouth) is that I don't have issues with homosexuals per se functioning as Scout Masters, priests, pastors, teachers, ect, but I would probably be more careful and monitoring my children around them.

Read below why this stance of yours is asking for trouble.

My brother is gay (he was abused as a child) and is an absolutely wonderful person. He is one of the most giving people that I know. Many of his friends are gay whom I like as well. I would feel comfortable leaving my children with my brother or allowing him to be a Scout Master, teacher, coach, ect. (in fact, he was a elementary school teacher in the D.C. area.). When my parents found out he had been abused (by a trusted family member), they got him the necessary counseling...as well as the rest of the family.

First of all he's not 'gay' He's mentally diseased due to trauma. This condition is 100% curable.

Secondly you may feel that he is safe around your children but what about the endless stream of other diseased individuals that will tramp through his life? You see I have a mentally diseased brother also. He was safe but one of his 'friends' molested me. No child is safe in the company of sodomites. If they don't molest one of their friends will. (Note that my brother's disease was due to his totally lacking relationship with our father (as far as I know he was not molested))

Third if your parents had got him the required counseling he would no longer be choosing to remain in that deadly pattern of behavior. He could be living a normal healthy life instead of being trapped in perversion. I assume that the trusted family member is now in prison? If not why not?

You mention that he was an elementary school teacher. Past tense. Why is he no longer teaching and what is he doing now?

Any exposure of children to homosexual behavior is child abuse.

23 posted on 09/16/2003 1:51:40 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Hmmm. But every one dogs the Scouts because they dont want to let gays in...
24 posted on 09/16/2003 1:53:37 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: John O
On the children stance...congrats...I can tell that you care deeply for children. So do I...

As for your take on my stance...Thanks for your opinion...You are right about the various "friends" in his life. I watch carefully and my brother is vary vigilant...but you are right, we can't have our eyes everywhere... Case in fact, we have another family member who is now in prison who molested his teenage daughters. He was not homosexual, but rather a pedophile and we did not suspect this activity in the slightest. He too had been molested as a child. He was labeled a heterosexual and ended up victimizing those children that he was charged to protect.

As for my brother, he has decided to mantain this lifestyle despite the counseling. Did he get enough? Who can say...he feels like he has dealt with it enough and chooses that lifestyle. Do I agree with it, no. Do I still love him as my brother yes.
He is a musician and photographer. He has left teaching as he did not like the administration and wanted to be his own boss. He taught because it provided him an outlet to express himself. He maximized that avenue and now performs and sells his photography and is a mortgage broker. He did not leave the teaching profession out of scandal. He is also about as liberal as they come...we differ on a lot of things, but we have learned to respect each other's decisions.

As for the family member that abused my brother...he passed away before I came forward to my parents that I had been abused. That is a really difficult thing for me to talk about as I don't like talking about myself being a victim. This family member abused several of his grandchildren and other boys in the family before I outed him. I think if one of my uncles or cousins would have outed him long before, my brother and I would have avoided the shame and embarrassment of having these scars that we deal with on a daily basis. My parents decided not to try to prosecute as he only had a couple of weeks to live when I came forward and was bed ridden. They talked to the family attorney and the local authorities and they decided that it would be harder on us if it got outed (I was a teenager when I approached my dad and I did not want this to be public)
My brother and I have dealt with our abuse a little differently. I don't talk about mine very often. It defines my brother and he is bitter and angry about it. I have read a lot about pedophilia and the way that it emotionally scars you. Maybe I am too soft on him, but maybe my brother is too hard on my grandfather...he too was an abuse victim who made the decision to not break the cycle of abuse.
25 posted on 09/16/2003 3:01:37 PM PDT by Abram
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To: Abram
As for my brother, he has decided to mantain this lifestyle despite the counseling. Did he get enough? Who can say...he feels like he has dealt with it enough and chooses that lifestyle.

My brother and I have dealt with our abuse a little differently. I don't talk about mine very often. It defines my brother and he is bitter and angry about it (emphasis mine)

The second law of homosexuality:
To the mentally healthy person (heterosexual) sex is something they do
To the mentally diseased ('homosexual') person, sex is everything they are

You've apparently forgiven and gotten over (for the most part) the sexual crime committed against you. Your brother has still not forgiven and is still trapped in the "sex is everything I am" mindset. Until he forgives his attacker he will remain trapped. So he chooses that lifestyle because he is still mentally diseased/damaged.

I learned that once I forgave it became a whole lot easier to get on with a normal life.

26 posted on 09/17/2003 4:54:34 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
Interesting take...I think we see it about the same, but with a slightly different take. I see my brother's reaction as a coping mechanism for the abuse (although he claims to have had homosexual tendancies since as early in life as he can remember)...He sees it as who and what he is and has always been.

You are right that once you have accepted, addressed, and forgave..."normal" life was a lot easier to get along with.

Interesting take on things...good talking with you.
27 posted on 09/17/2003 6:51:31 AM PDT by Abram
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To: Abram
Until next time
28 posted on 09/17/2003 9:15:27 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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