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By MICHAEL BAKER
THE FRESNO BEE
Published: September 20, 2003, 09:44:37 AM PDT
FRESNO -- A jail inmate here says Scott Peterson, during a November meeting with two members of a neo-Nazi gang, broached the idea of kidnapping his wife.
Laci Peterson, 27 and pregnant, disappeared from her Modesto home just before Christmas, and her remains washed ashore in San Francisco Bay in mid-April. Her 30-year-old husband is charged with the murders of his wife and their unborn son.
Inmate Cory Lee Carroll's information led Modesto police and district attorney's investigators to the Fresno County Jail to interview him this week, said his attorney, Frank Muna.
The attorney said he contacted authorities after Carroll's account checked out in a lie detector test administered by Muna's private investigator.
Detective Doug Ridenour, police spokesman, said a gag order prevents him from talking about the Peterson case.
In general, he said, law enforcement has a duty to follow up all leads: "It doesn't matter where or what time, if it has a potential connection to a case, we're going to investigate it."
The district attorney's office did not respond to inquiries, but in the past has referred to the gag order when questioned about potential evidence.
Peterson's lead attorney, Mark Geragos, also cited the gag order. "Unfortunately, I can't comment," he said. "I would love to, but unfortunately, I can't."
Peterson has pleaded innocent in his death penalty case. A preliminary hearing is set for Oct. 20 to let a judge determine whether there is sufficient evidence for a trial. Lie detector test results are not admissible in court.
The 34-year-old Carroll's statement is detailed in a memo summarizing his lie detector exam. The examiner, Melvin W. King, a former Fresno police lieutenant, wrote the memo; The Bee obtained a copy on Friday.
Muna said the memo was identical to one that he received from King. The memo's writer said: "I can't confirm or deny anything. It's been made very clear to me, I'm under a gag order."
According to the memo, Carroll was truthful when he gave this statement:
He met Peterson in November at the City Lights strip club in Fresno. Peterson, who had discovered that Carroll had spent time in prison, asked whether Carroll knew anyone who could steal his wife's car. Peterson wanted to report the theft for insurance purposes.
Peterson agreed to pay Carroll $300 to set up a meeting with two men known to Carroll as Tony, who goes by the name "Dirty," and Anthony, also known as "Skeeter," members of the Nazi Low Riders gang.
Peterson met with Carroll and the others Nov. 29 at Chili's Grill & Bar in Fresno, and the four continued talking at a motel.
Carroll heard "Peterson mention to Dirty and Skeeter something about kidnapping Laci," and left because he did not want to get involved. He returned 45 minutes later and said he heard the gang members say they were going to take care of something.
Carroll said Dirty and Skeeter often lived in a beige van with orange and red stripes. A witness in the Peterson case said she saw a van across the street from the Peterson home on the day Laci Peterson disappeared. The van's description is similar to Dirty and Skeeter's van.
Police have discounted reports of a suspicious van, saying it belonged to landscapers.
Muna said Carroll had nothing to gain by coming forward: "We've never asked for anything and we don't plan to."
Carroll has been in custody since December on a parole violation. Records show that he has been in prison several times for grand theft, possession of stolen property and forgery.
Bee staff writer John Coté contributed to this report.
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posted on 09/21/2003 9:07:56 AM PDT
( The preceding is this Freepers opinion and is submitted rhetorically. .........)
Well look who's back! Great to see you!!
Nov. 29 last year was the day after Thanksgiving. I hate to say it, but it does sound believable that Scott and Laci could have been in San Diego for Thanksgiving. Janie now says they did drive back on the 29th. Hmmm.
Maybe someone just got their dates a little wrong.
To: STOCKHRSE; Eva
Yes, he could have been hovering around, going out in his boat, while these hired people actually did "the job".
Thanks for the article, STOCKHRSE! This is interesting. But yes, there may be a hole in it: Janie Peterson says Scott and Laci were in San Diego for Thanksgiving. Nov. 29, the day Carroll says Scott met with the (other) scumbags, was the day after Thanksgiving. Janie said Scott and Laci drove home that day. So she doesn't see how Scott could have been in Fresno later that night. It's barely possible that he took off for Fresno after depositing Laci at the house... but it sure would be a day, all that driving...
Has someone done a timeline on all this stuff? When Amber claims she first met Scott, the Thanksgiving holiday, this new twist, etc. It would be interesting to look at. From the time Scotty met Amber, things moved extremely quickly....
posted on 09/21/2003 9:36:13 AM PDT
By the way - HELLO! Have been lurking quietly in the shadows....... CC :)
posted on 09/21/2003 9:36:59 AM PDT
To: All; Devil_Anse; runningbear; ~Kim4VRWC's~; RGSpincich
About the Van Carrol describes
From Article: " Peterson agreed to pay Carroll $300 to set up a meeting with two men Carroll knows as Tony, who goes by the name "Dirty," and Anthony, also known as "Skeeter." The pair, who often live in a beige van with orange and red stripes, are members of the Nazi Low Riders gang."
From another article:"A few things in Carroll's statement match what has been reported in the media."
"Peterson owned a Ford F-150 truck, which police took into their possession. And a van similar to the one Carroll said Dirty and Skeeter owned has been described by a witness as being across the street from Laci Peterson's home the day she disappeared. Police have discounted reports of a suspicious van in the neighborhood, saying it belonged to landscapers."
Except for one thing. To my knowledge the witness never said a thing about orange and red stripes on the Van which in my opinion would be the first thing that would have caught my attention if I had seen the Van described by Carroll .
posted on 09/21/2003 9:47:02 AM PDT
(This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
To: STOCKHRSE; Spunky; sirchtruth; Sunshine55; truthkeeper; Devil_Anse
Thanks for your replies everyone! Am reading your posts now. What a hair raiser this is..
posted on 09/21/2003 9:50:20 AM PDT
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Kim, you have freepmail! ;0)
Scott to Amber - "I didn't do it but I know who did..."
Takes on a different meaning now.
"Nov. 29 last year was the day after Thanksgiving. I hate to say it, but it does sound believable that Scott and Laci could have been in San Diego for Thanksgiving. Janie now says they did drive back on the 29th. Hmmm."
I heard that she called into Geraldo last night with this bit of info. In this article she admits they left midday therefore it is possible that he could be in Fresno at night. Midday is kind of vague - they could have left midmorning. He could have taken Laci home and then told her he had to be in Fresno overnight for a work (a.k.a Amber) obligation the next day. People like "Dirty" and "Skeeter" don't have meetings at 8 or 9 at night. Scott could have met with them after midnight.
posted on 09/21/2003 10:25:56 AM PDT
It makes me wonder how a little button-down boy like Scott could be hanging out with these thugs--even going to motel rooms--and not end up dead HIMSELF.
No one in their right mind would go to some motel room to meet such people, would they? He must really have been living a "Sopranos" fantasy! Wonder if he was armed when he went? You know, we've heard almost nothing about gun ownership by Scott. I mean, he must have had hunting rifles, but we've never heard whether he ever owned a pistol.
I am having a problem with the fact that Carroll allegedly says they met on Nov. 29. That was the day after Thanksgiving. It seems to me that Scott could easily have an alibi for that day.
Scott to Amber - "I didn't do it but I know who did..." Takes on a different meaning now.
posted on 09/21/2003 10:28:15 AM PDT
I'm also wondering about the fact that Carroll says Scott met with the thugs on Nov. 29 in Fresno. That was the day after Thanksgiving. I would imagine that Scott's whereabouts would be easily traceable for that day, if Scott was actually with family that day.
Janie Peterson says Scott and Laci drove back to Modesto from San Diego on that day. Don't know about later on the night of Nov. 29. Wouldn't you know, it looks like Laci would be the only one who could answer the question of whether Scott was home that night, or out and about.
Well.... Scott SAID he "talks to Laci". (In his note thanking the early searchers.) Let's get him to ask her!
November 29 is a little troublesome for me too, Anse. Let's see what it's changed to, or if it will be changed.
That's right. And I've heard the drive from San Diego to Modesto described as being various lengths of time--but I've never heard it described as SEVEN hours.
Scott could have told Laci this or that--or their relationship could have already been deteriorated to the point to where he just drove off w/o saying anything. People who are quarrelling do that sometimes, especially men!
"Has someone done a timeline on all this stuff? When Amber claims she first met Scott, the Thanksgiving holiday, this new twist, etc. It would be interesting to look at. From the time Scotty met Amber, things moved extremely quickly...."
Yes this is interesting and I do believe he was obsessed with Amber. However, I don't think Amber was the single motivation for what he did. One important clue to this kind of crime is the degree to which it appears the husband is moving on with his life even before the death occurs. Clearly, after her death he continued to "move on" at a rate that made his behavior appear very odd. After the loss of a spouse most people eventually move on and do things like sell a house or car, have fun, etc. but it usually takes a long time. They tend to hang on to all of the spouses possessions and can't imagine dating or remarrying right away, etc. I believe he made this decision sometime after she became pregnant - June or July?
posted on 09/21/2003 10:34:11 AM PDT
So it's 455 miles from San Diego to Modesto?
A long drive, for sure.
Could Carroll have mistaken the date? Could it have been Saturday, Nov.30? Could Scott and Laci have gotten a mid-morning start from San Diego? Or is this just more made-up b.s.?
Excellent point. Perhaps he had vague thoughts even earlier, but the pregnancy was the clincher.
Let's see: He met Amber on Nov. 20. He allegedly met with the thugs on Nov. 29. He was not at home on Dec. 14 when Laci's friends had a baby shower for her. He went to a party with Amber... when was that party, the one where the pictures were taken? It wasn't very long b/f Laci disappeared, that I remember.
He was at the hair salon with Laci on Dec. 23, in the early evening. He somehow got a parking card for the Berkeley Marina, and the card had the date of Dec. 24. He arrived back from his "fishing trip" at about 4-something on the afternoon of Dec. 24. The last time anyone other than Scott KNEW Laci was in the land of the living was at 8 p.m. on Dec. 23.
Looks like there's a new thread. :)
posted on 09/21/2003 10:53:26 AM PDT
Another question: did Carroll meet with SP on two occasions? Somehow I gathered that he first met Carroll and Carroll set up a meeting later with Dirty and Skeeter. Or did they all just happen to be close by and the whole scenario happened on the 29th. Am I making sense?
Lee's statement puts SP back in Modesto at around 6 p.m. (or later). This would give him plenty of time to drive to Fresno for the alleged meetings, plus hook up later with Amber, possibly at her apartment.
Father denies Peterson neo-Nazi talk
Scott, Laci were leaving San Diego area, he says.
Bee News Services
(Published Sunday, September 21, 2003, 5:46 AM)
A Fresno County Jail inmate is wrong about Scott Peterson meeting Nov. 29 in Fresno with neo-Nazi gang members to talk about kidnapping Peterson's wife, says Peterson's father, Lee.
It could not have happened, Lee Peterson said Saturday, because his son -- accompanied by his wife, Laci -- drove from San Diego County to their Modesto home on Nov. 29, the day after Thanksgiving. The couple spent the holiday with the Peterson family in Solana Beach, Lee Peterson said, and left for home at noon Nov. 29. The car trip normally takes six or more hours.
posted on 09/21/2003 11:15:22 AM PDT
Thanks for the Geraldo news, I went and watched when you first posted about it last night. Very interesting...
posted on 09/21/2003 11:23:58 AM PDT
To: Devil_Anse; All
I'm guessing that Janey Peterson's defense of SP can easily be proven wrong. I'm sure the detectives already have copies of gas purchases from San Diego to Modesto and probably a receipt from the Chili's restaraunt as well. I'll bet you your bottom dollar that SP charged the Chili's meeting on his "company" credit card as a "business meeting".....
You have freepmail! ;0)
Great point - I'm sure there are alot of interesting charges on the business card. I bet they could track him will cell phone records, too!
posted on 09/21/2003 11:42:59 AM PDT
The post office box....does anyone remember that SP got a post office box around Dec. 23rd or 24th? It caused a bit of a buzz for awhile but I could never really figure out why he did this, other than he wanted a place for Amber to send his gift. Maybe "Dirty" and "Skeeter" were going to get a key to said box after they performed their services. Mind you I don't know much about how such things work but I would guess that you can't just tell hit men to stop by your house to pick up their check. Just a thought.
posted on 09/21/2003 11:47:14 AM PDT
To: Spunky; All
On Geraldo last night Carrol's attorney described the van several times as a camper back with a van front. That doesn't match the brown van's we've heard mentioned either.
The funny thing is either Geragos has heard this story from Scott and is using some of the elements to stir up doubt, or Carroll has been reading a lot of the coverage on the case.
What has he said that wasn't in the public domain already?
posted on 09/21/2003 12:16:46 PM PDT
About Scott's guns:
"Guns Seized During Peterson Search
July 14, 2003
"When police searched the home of Scott Peterson....they seized shotguns and a handgun, according to a report Friday in the Modesto Bee...Lee Peterson, made the revelation in an interview with the paper..."Police have Scott's guns," he told the paper. "He had some bird guns and a handgun...."
It was not known when the authorities seized the weapons. Modesto police staged two extensive searches of the Peterson home -- once shortly after Laci's Christmas Eve disappearance and then on Feb. 18-19...." http://www.ktvu.com/news/2326330/detail.html
posted on 09/21/2003 12:21:50 PM PDT
Got it and replied! Thanks
posted on 09/21/2003 12:26:25 PM PDT
To: drjulie; All
Mind you I don't know much about how such things work but I would guess that you can't just tell hit men to stop by your house to pick up their check.
IIRC, that box wasn't a US post office box per se, but rather some other kind of mailing service. No, you can't just tell hit men to stop by your house to pick up their check, or anything else, like drugs, that you're using in lieu of a check. Just another thought, there, dr. julie.
To: Devil_Anse; Jackie-O; Velveeta; Sandylapper
Hey guys, long time no see. Fox News last night has definitely shown a new light on this case. If true Scotty has sunken deeper in the do-do pit.
Do any of you remember the names (if given) that Scotty was seen at after Laci was reported missing and before he was arrested? There were several reports that Scotty was seen out drinking in Fresno during that time span.
posted on 09/21/2003 2:41:58 PM PDT
To: TexKat; All
Check this out:
||Posted on Sun, Sep. 21, 2003
STRANGERS MEET ONLINE TO UNFOLD PETERSON CASE
They both stay up late, taking their meals at their desks and putting their social lives on hold, to pore over the Laci Peterson murder case.
He has studied tidal charts and the location of navigational buoys around the Berkeley Marina to try to unravel Scott Peterson's alibi. She has staked out Laci's neighborhood, taking photographs of streets and parks where witnesses say they may have seen Laci walking her dog the day she vanished.
But Buzz Mills and Amelia Gloria are not Modesto police detectives. They're not forensic investigators or private eyes. And they're not tabloid reporters snooping for a scoop. Mills is a 63-year-old retired Silicon Valley missiles telemetry engineer with time on his hands. Gloria is a 45-year-old private security guard in Modesto looking for a little adventure.
They are Laci Peterson addicts. Meeting through an Internet forum, the unlikely pair have become amateur sleuthing part ners trying to nail the murder case against Scott Peterson.
Do these people need to get a life, or what? Well, if they do, then so do scores of others across the country and around the world who, instead of watching reality TV each night, are logged onto their home computers, trying to solve a puzzle: How were Laci Peterson and her unborn son killed, and how did their bodies end up on the banks of San Francisco Bay this spring?
``We're junkies,'' said Angela Rock, who lives deep in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania and nightly logs onto Websleuths.com. ``We know the ins and outs, the backwards and forwards, every single detail that the guy next door to me would never know.''
The mystery is all the more intriguing because information is so scarce. Arrest and search warrants are sealed. A gag order is keeping all lawyers and law enforcement officials mute. The public has little more to work with than Scott Peterson's story about fishing on Christmas Eve, his affair with a massage therapist, and people in the neighborhood who say they saw Scott, Laci or a suspicious brown van that morning. The preliminary hearing, where the prosecution will lay out its case for the first time, was postponed from early September to Oct. 20.
Until then, in this virtual community, any tidbit of information generates wild speculation and irrepressible enthusiasm -- like a neighbor's account that Peterson loaded something wrapped in a blue tarp into the back of his truck Christmas Eve morning.
``We won't know until the pre-lim/trial, exactly WHAT he was un-loading or loading!!!!!!,'' writes one poster on Websleuths, tthoman from Alabama. ``SO EXCITING! PLOT THICKENS!''
Just since August, the Laci Peterson forum on Websleuths has received more than 9,000 postings -- many from as far away as Australia and England. The rape case against basketball star Kobe Bryant, on the same site, had a mere 162 as of late Saturday.
Though most of the Websleuthers insist Peterson is guilty, over on aimoo.com more posters are giving him the benefit of the doubt. For example, barbdouglas finds it fishy that after the district attorney ``begged Scott to produce the bodies to spare the death penalty,'' the bodies happened to wash up where Peterson had gone fishing.
``The desperate D.A. was looking for a reason to arrest Scott and the kidnappers handed it to him on a silver platter,'' barbdouglas wrote. ``The fact that Scott Peterson is the target of a sophisticated plot to frame him does not get any clearer than that.''
Mills had been hooked on the Peterson case for months before he met Gloria online. Fresh out of a four-year romantic relationship, Mills found the case to be a perfect obsession. Just as he had uncovered defects in missile systems for 35 years as an engineer at Lockheed, he looked for holes in Scott Peterson's story.
A fitness nut who starts each day eating pure, plain, non-fat yogurt with dried fruits and nuts, Mills found it hard to pull away from the computer to take his routine vigorous hikes. For days at a time, he stayed online from morning until after midnight studying the wind velocity off Point Richmond where the bodies were found, plotting the lighted buoys that he theorized Peterson used to navigate into the bay after dark to dump the bodies, and logging the astronomical, nautical and civil twilight times. He even traced the route the bloodhounds took through Modesto following Laci's scent.
He plugged all the information, with links to maps and charts, into ``Scott's 24-Hour Timeline.'' It goes on in minute detail for 31 printed pages. ``Laci's 16-Hour Timeline'' fills 14 pages.
``Truly, things got a little unbalanced there,'' Mills said in a recent interview at his Cupertino ranch-style home, nearly empty of furniture except for a computer desk and folding chairs since his girlfriend moved out nearly a year ago. ``A lot of my personality is spending an inordinate amount of time perfecting things. Call it an affliction or an obsession, but that's my nature. That's who I am.''
In Modesto, Gloria, a grandmother of seven with black hair that hangs below her waist and a rose tattoo on her forearm, became intrigued by the case the day Laci Peterson disappeared. She heard about it on a police scanner while working in a county government building in Modesto. Her job as a private security guard paid the bills, but her 13 years patrolling parking lots and office buildings lacked excitement. She had once dreamed of a career in law enforcement, but by the time she had raised her children, ``I was too old and out of shape,'' she said. ``I would never have made it around the obstacle course.''
While surfing the Internet looking for updates about the Peterson case in June, she came across one of Mills' queries on the Websleuths forum. To flesh out his timeline, Mills wanted to know whether a footbridge crossed Dry Creek through La Loma Park, where Peterson said his wife planned to walk the dog the morning she disappeared.
Gloria, who lives near the park, confirmed to him that a bridge, indeed, crossed the creek there. And from that moment on, the life of the security guard who admits she gets ``scared easy'' got a little more thrilling.
With a list of questions from Mills and a disposable camera in hand, Gloria headed to the Petersons' neighborhood. To try to prove that witnesses actually saw a different pregnant woman walking in the neighborhood instead of Laci, Mills asked Gloria to take pictures of the witnesses' houses and intersections where they say they saw Laci.
Gloria would get so nervous sometimes -- afraid someone would think her suspicious -- she would stick her arm out the car window to take pictures.
Once, she scribbled an address so quickly, she wrote it incorrectly and had to go back a second time.
``It's fascinating, but it's scary at the same time,'' she said. ``I didn't want somebody to call the police on me.''
Mills has sent his timelines to Modesto police, and is disappointed he hasn't heard from them because he is so sure his information would help their case. (``If it was any other case,'' he says, ``they would have contacted me.'')
Modesto police detective Doug Ridenour says a gag order prevents him from even acknowledging whether he received the timeline. He says he forwards all information to investigators, adding, ``I take everything seriously.''
Mills and Gloria have never met. They know only each other's gender and online names -- buzzm1 and royalpurple209. But that's all they need to know because it's all business to them. And business that Gloria, at least, keeps mostly to herself.
``I don't tell my family,'' she said. ``They're going to think I'm nuts.''
Oh I think the drug connection is quite possible. I would be more inclined to think that he would be selling fertilizer to meth makers than actually selling the drugs himself. What is clear, though, is that he definately had a double-life and they appeared to live well beyond their means. As my mother always says: Follow the money!
posted on 09/21/2003 2:54:16 PM PDT
To: drjulie; All
Breathless Rita Cosby coming up next on FOX news with Scott Peterson report.
Thanks, Vel --- turning on FNC now....
Good to see you, Kat! Sorry, I don't know any names, but Maggie May could have that info, if there were any names given.
Thanks, Vel! I'm tuned in. She's supposed to have lawyer for this convict on shortly.
To: TexKat; MaggieMay
Hey Tex!! Great to "see" you!! Hope all is well. Is your boy still in Iraq??
I thought I had heard/read that Snott had spent some time in a strip club...a NE or Globe story had him with a transvestie from a strip club.
Maggs, you take excellent notes..check out Tex's question in her last post.
Hi CC, long time no see! Your posts made me laugh because my kids, friends, and co-workers think I'm nuts with the time I spend discussing this case. But whenever they have a question about the case, guess who they ask??
I do need to get a life tho...but I am a single Mom and do spend most all of my time at home! ;0)
Thanks for the WB, and about not finding blood evidence in the house: then why all the Clorox? Why was Scotty MacBeth scrubbing out the "damn spots?" (I cna swear if I am quoting Shakespeare, right?)
posted on 09/21/2003 3:44:04 PM PDT
...it still shows Scott's state of mind as of November.
Right you are. Definitely he will lose the crime of passion defense.
What perfume was Amber wearing that night? Man, he met her and within days was ready to off his adorable, preg wife?? Seriously, I think Amber was only a catalyst. He HAD to have been planning to whack his ball and chain maybe since the beginning of the pregnancy, and Amber must have been the honey to sweeten the bitter medicine of murder.
When Amber takes the stand, I sure hope it's televised. That is going to be one heck of a trial.
posted on 09/21/2003 3:48:40 PM PDT
LOL - I got a kick out of the "Virtual Gumshoe" article and I thought you all would enjoy it, too.
posted on 09/21/2003 3:51:01 PM PDT
(The sky is falling.)
Mills sounds like he is on the OCD spectrum a bit, but good article about fellow Peterson junkies. I thought their sleuthing was going to lead to an offscreen romance and maybe a big Modesto wedding! How disappointing. LOL. Thanks for posting that!
We aren't QUITE as bad as Mills, now, are we????
posted on 09/21/2003 4:01:54 PM PDT
We aren't QUITE as bad as Mills, now, are we????
LOL - no - so I guess this is a "feel good" article!
posted on 09/21/2003 4:04:19 PM PDT
(The sky is falling.)
As my mother always says: Follow the money!
Am I your mother? Nayh, I don't think so. Hey, I thought I coined that phrase! Is she taking credit? LOL
It's kinda sounding more and more like this is moving towards a "murder for hire" vs. a "kidnapping for hire" defense, doesn't it?
To: Jackie-O; TexKat; sandlapper
I believe the drag queen's shocking revelation, was 2 years pior to Laci's disappearence,and that was in the Globe's,June 17,issue.
The only other club,I can think of is the strip joint in SanDiego.The Peterson clan all gathered for a farewell party,as he was to head "south of the border".This is where Scott asked the exotic dancer, to go to Mexico with him.This was in April,the day pior to his being arrested and charged.I believe the source on this story was Ted Rowlands.
posted on 09/21/2003 4:14:35 PM PDT
(A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
posted on 09/21/2003 4:21:40 PM PDT
(The sky is falling.)
To: MaggieMay; TexKat; All
Way, way back somewhere, maybe late December or early January, I remember for a time we were thinking that some detectives were paying SP a visit. Turned out, they were not detectives at all, but SP's bosses. He went out to dinner (and for drinks) with them, as I recall, and I think "all had an enjoyable time" (lots of laughter and merriment). Whether the names of these bosses were given or not, I don't recall. Anybody?
Wow, so he never was a student there, it was all a fraud. He must have told his family and friends that he was going to go to school there and never applied, so when school started in the fall, he just left for Arizona. No wonder he didn't want to talk about it when he came home. Amazing. This guy just gets better and better.
I wonder what Jackie thought when she found out Scott had lied about college.
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