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Evidence from bay prompts speculation in Peterson case
The Modesto Bee ^ | Sept 16, 2003 | Garth Stapely and John Cote'

Posted on 09/16/2003 5:56:44 AM PDT by runningbear

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To: maggiefluffs
Omigosh! Geragos is hanging out with "Charlene" from "The Andy Griffith Show".

I remember when Condit's daughter, who has her father's attitude and her mother's looks, appeared on Larry King during the Chandra Levy story. Larry looked like a cat sitting by a warm stove after having just lapped up a bowl of warm milk. He was almost purring. I thought the old lecher was going to jump over the table and get in Cadee's lap.

How totally nauseating. Geragos and Condit's daughter. Two of my most favorite people.......NOT!

(Assuming a woman could get past Geragos' unfortunate physical appearance--perhaps drawn by visions of a big bank account--how could this hypothetical woman STAND to be married to this jackass, who hangs out with Susan McDougal and now Cadee Condit? And where did the Condits get that name? Did they let a one-year-old name their daughter?)
141 posted on 09/21/2003 8:14:52 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: MaggieMay
Hee hee! I don't think this one's a Geragos leak! Unless he is trying to commit "legal suicide"!
142 posted on 09/21/2003 8:15:54 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
From the Fox News website:

Peterson Family Disputes Kidnap Plot Report

Sunday, September 21, 2003

The family of Scott Peterson (search) has disputed an inmate's claims that the accused killer plotted the kidnapping of his pregnant wife weeks before she disappeared.

Janey Peterson told Fox News that she was with Scott Peterson and his wife, Laci, in San Diego, Calif., on Nov. 29, the day Cory Lee Carroll claimed he met with her brother-in-law in Fresno. The meeting was detailed in a report published Saturday by the Fresno Bee.

Carroll, a parolee jailed since August after missing a court date, told investigators that he first met Scott Peterson last November at the City Lights strip club in Fresno. After a conversation in which Carroll revealed he had been in prison, Peterson asked for help in finding someone to steal his wife's car as part of an insurance fraud scheme, according to the Bee report.

Carroll told investigators that he was paid $300 to set up a meeting with two men known as Tony, aka "Dirty"; and Anthony, aka "Skeeter"; The men were both members of a neo-Nazi prison gang known as the Nazi Low Riders (search).

Carroll claimed he and the two men met with Peterson in a northeast Fresno restaurant on Nov. 29. The four went on to a nearby motel where the subject of a kidnapping plot came up, the Bee reported.

But Janey Peterson claims she, her husband, and Scott and Laci Peterson (search) were together in San Diego Nov. 29, two days after a baby shower had been held there for the pregnant 27-year-old.

Calling Carroll's claims in the Bee report "all lies"; she told Fox News that it would have been impossible for Scott Peterson to have left San Diego midday, driven more than seven hours to Modesto, dropped his wife and presents off at their home, then have driven another hour-plus to Fresno for the alleged meeting. Peterson said she was trying to confirm the exact time Scott and Laci Peterson left San Diego that day.

Carroll's attorney, Frank Muna, told Fox News that his client disclosed his story only after recognizing Scott Peterson on television after his April arrest for the murders of Laci Peterson and their unborn child, Conner. Muna said he notified law enforcement after his client passed a polygraph test administered by a former Fresno police lieutenant.

Polygraph examinations are not admissible in court. However, a memo summarizing the test obtained by the Bee shows Carroll correctly identified the model of Peterson's Ford F-150 pickup. In addition, the van like the one Dirty and Skeeter owned was described by a witness as having been across the street from Laci Peterson's home the day of her Dec. 24 disappearance. Police have since played down reports of a so-called suspicious van.

Carroll said he walked out of the Nov. 29 meeting for 45 minutes once he heard one of the three men say something about kidnapping. His attorney told Fox News that his client had nothing to gain by coming forward, and hinted that his life may now be in danger as a result.

Investigators would not comment on Carroll's claims to the Bee due to a court-imposed gag order.

The Modesto Bee reported that police divers returned to San Francisco Bay on Friday, where the bodies of Laci and Conner Peterson were discovered ashore in April. A preliminary hearing for Scott Peterson is scheduled for Oct. 20, after a judge granted a six-week continuance earlier this month at the defense's request.

Fox News' Rita Cosby contributed to this report.


143 posted on 09/21/2003 8:17:09 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Kah-lee-fohr-nyah)
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To: Eva
I think your theory sounds quite plausible. In fact, I think your theory would be THE theory except for the fact that we've never heard that they found any significant blood evidence in the house! That's the part that always stops me, when I visualize gruesome goings-on in the house.

I mean, he could have drugged her, gotten her into the truck, and driven out in the country and shot her in the head....... no, then the TRUCK would have blood traces in it.... I guess this is why we keep coming back to strangulation as a possible means....
144 posted on 09/21/2003 8:23:27 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: drjulie
I think some chickenwire from a roll WAS missing from Scott's things he kept at home. IIRC, the missing length of chickenwire could not be accounted for.
145 posted on 09/21/2003 8:24:24 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Jackie-O
"um yes, er no, but I know who did"

GOOD CATCH, Jackie!! That's right, I had forgotten that! It DOES fit in with this Carroll guy's story!

Thanks for the summaries of Geraldo. I caught the last minute or so of his show and it was driving me crazy!

Hey, isn't it possible that Scott discussed various illegal doings with these scumbags, but maybe later found OTHER scumbags to actually carry out the deed? I mean, if this conversation actually occurred, even if it didn't turn into reality, it still shows Scott's state of mind as of November.
146 posted on 09/21/2003 8:31:00 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Jackie-O; Eva
If these people really did kill Laci on Scott's behalf, maybe Scott was out there in the same area where they dumped her so that he could verify that they did "their job". Or maybe Scott is the one who selected the body disposal place, and was leading them to it.
147 posted on 09/21/2003 8:33:09 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Yaelle
Hi Yaelle, glad you got here! Would Scott still be eligible for the death penalty if he hired someone to murder Laci? YES!!!
148 posted on 09/21/2003 8:42:02 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: runningbear
Thanks RB. It is certainly getting interesting again....
149 posted on 09/21/2003 8:47:43 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: Devil_Anse
I think that Scotty, helped. He did all that research on the tides and had the boat ready. The fishing was to be his alibi. He probably put the boat in at the marina and met them at another spot with his boat.
150 posted on 09/21/2003 8:50:14 AM PDT by Eva
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
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By MICHAEL BAKER
THE FRESNO BEE


Published: September 20, 2003, 09:44:37 AM PDT


FRESNO -- A jail inmate here says Scott Peterson, during a November meeting with two members of a neo-Nazi gang, broached the idea of kidnapping his wife.
Laci Peterson, 27 and pregnant, disappeared from her Modesto home just before Christmas, and her remains washed ashore in San Francisco Bay in mid-April. Her 30-year-old husband is charged with the murders of his wife and their unborn son.

Inmate Cory Lee Carroll's information led Modesto police and district attorney's investigators to the Fresno County Jail to interview him this week, said his attorney, Frank Muna.

The attorney said he contacted authorities after Carroll's account checked out in a lie detector test administered by Muna's private investigator.

Detective Doug Ridenour, police spokesman, said a gag order prevents him from talking about the Peterson case.

In general, he said, law enforcement has a duty to follow up all leads: "It doesn't matter where or what time, if it has a potential connection to a case, we're going to investigate it."

The district attorney's office did not respond to inquiries, but in the past has referred to the gag order when questioned about potential evidence.

Peterson's lead attorney, Mark Geragos, also cited the gag order. "Unfortunately, I can't comment," he said. "I would love to, but unfortunately, I can't."

Peterson has pleaded innocent in his death penalty case. A preliminary hearing is set for Oct. 20 to let a judge determine whether there is sufficient evidence for a trial. Lie detector test results are not admissible in court.

The 34-year-old Carroll's statement is detailed in a memo summarizing his lie detector exam. The examiner, Melvin W. King, a former Fresno police lieutenant, wrote the memo; The Bee obtained a copy on Friday.

Muna said the memo was identical to one that he received from King. The memo's writer said: "I can't confirm or deny anything. It's been made very clear to me, I'm under a gag order."

According to the memo, Carroll was truthful when he gave this statement:

He met Peterson in November at the City Lights strip club in Fresno. Peterson, who had discovered that Carroll had spent time in prison, asked whether Carroll knew anyone who could steal his wife's car. Peterson wanted to report the theft for insurance purposes.

Peterson agreed to pay Carroll $300 to set up a meeting with two men known to Carroll as Tony, who goes by the name "Dirty," and Anthony, also known as "Skeeter," members of the Nazi Low Riders gang.

Peterson met with Carroll and the others Nov. 29 at Chili's Grill & Bar in Fresno, and the four continued talking at a motel.

Carroll heard "Peterson mention to Dirty and Skeeter something about kidnapping Laci," and left because he did not want to get involved. He returned 45 minutes later and said he heard the gang members say they were going to take care of something.

Carroll said Dirty and Skeeter often lived in a beige van with orange and red stripes. A witness in the Peterson case said she saw a van across the street from the Peterson home on the day Laci Peterson disappeared. The van's description is similar to Dirty and Skeeter's van.

Police have discounted reports of a suspicious van, saying it belonged to landscapers.

Muna said Carroll had nothing to gain by coming forward: "We've never asked for anything and we don't plan to."

Carroll has been in custody since December on a parole violation. Records show that he has been in prison several times for grand theft, possession of stolen property and forgery.

Bee staff writer John Coté contributed to this report.

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151 posted on 09/21/2003 9:07:56 AM PDT by STOCKHRSE ( The preceding is this Freepers opinion and is submitted rhetorically. .........)
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To: CheneyChick
Well look who's back! Great to see you!!

Nov. 29 last year was the day after Thanksgiving. I hate to say it, but it does sound believable that Scott and Laci could have been in San Diego for Thanksgiving. Janie now says they did drive back on the 29th. Hmmm.

Maybe someone just got their dates a little wrong.
152 posted on 09/21/2003 9:23:56 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: STOCKHRSE; Eva
Yes, he could have been hovering around, going out in his boat, while these hired people actually did "the job".

Thanks for the article, STOCKHRSE! This is interesting. But yes, there may be a hole in it: Janie Peterson says Scott and Laci were in San Diego for Thanksgiving. Nov. 29, the day Carroll says Scott met with the (other) scumbags, was the day after Thanksgiving. Janie said Scott and Laci drove home that day. So she doesn't see how Scott could have been in Fresno later that night. It's barely possible that he took off for Fresno after depositing Laci at the house... but it sure would be a day, all that driving...
153 posted on 09/21/2003 9:28:49 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
Has someone done a timeline on all this stuff? When Amber claims she first met Scott, the Thanksgiving holiday, this new twist, etc. It would be interesting to look at. From the time Scotty met Amber, things moved extremely quickly....
154 posted on 09/21/2003 9:36:13 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Kah-lee-fohr-nyah)
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To: Devil_Anse
By the way - HELLO! Have been lurking quietly in the shadows....... CC :)
155 posted on 09/21/2003 9:36:59 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Kah-lee-fohr-nyah)
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To: All; Devil_Anse; runningbear; ~Kim4VRWC's~; RGSpincich
About the Van Carrol describes

From Article: " Peterson agreed to pay Carroll $300 to set up a meeting with two men Carroll knows as Tony, who goes by the name "Dirty," and Anthony, also known as "Skeeter." The pair, who often live in a beige van with orange and red stripes, are members of the Nazi Low Riders gang."

From another article:"A few things in Carroll's statement match what has been reported in the media."

"Peterson owned a Ford F-150 truck, which police took into their possession. And a van similar to the one Carroll said Dirty and Skeeter owned has been described by a witness as being across the street from Laci Peterson's home the day she disappeared. Police have discounted reports of a suspicious van in the neighborhood, saying it belonged to landscapers."

Except for one thing. To my knowledge the witness never said a thing about orange and red stripes on the Van which in my opinion would be the first thing that would have caught my attention if I had seen the Van described by Carroll .

156 posted on 09/21/2003 9:47:02 AM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: STOCKHRSE; Spunky; sirchtruth; Sunshine55; truthkeeper; Devil_Anse
Thanks for your replies everyone! Am reading your posts now. What a hair raiser this is..
157 posted on 09/21/2003 9:50:20 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Kim, you have freepmail! ;0)
158 posted on 09/21/2003 10:00:11 AM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: CheneyChick
Scott to Amber - "I didn't do it but I know who did..."
Takes on a different meaning now.
159 posted on 09/21/2003 10:22:55 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Devil_Anse
"Nov. 29 last year was the day after Thanksgiving. I hate to say it, but it does sound believable that Scott and Laci could have been in San Diego for Thanksgiving. Janie now says they did drive back on the 29th. Hmmm."

I heard that she called into Geraldo last night with this bit of info. In this article she admits they left midday therefore it is possible that he could be in Fresno at night. Midday is kind of vague - they could have left midmorning. He could have taken Laci home and then told her he had to be in Fresno overnight for a work (a.k.a Amber) obligation the next day. People like "Dirty" and "Skeeter" don't have meetings at 8 or 9 at night. Scott could have met with them after midnight.
160 posted on 09/21/2003 10:25:56 AM PDT by drjulie
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