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Why Natural Gas Prices are High
Drilling Wire (a paid energy subscription) | September 8, 2003

Posted on 09/16/2003 7:38:18 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER

U.S. District Court Judge Paul G. Cassell ruled last month in favor of the Bureau of Land Management in the matter of Veritas DGC Land Inc's 2-D geophysical exploration project in the Uinta Basin of northeastern Utah. The ruling affirmed BLM on all counts brought before the court, the agency said.

In his decision, according to the BLM's Utah State Office, Judge Cassell wrote, "The Environmental Analysis and its suggested mitigation methods show that the BLM gave adequate consideration to the environmental effects, both in terms of direct recovery time and residual effects of the project."

In October 2002, after nearly 13 months of review and environmental analysis, the BLM authorized Veritas to conduct geophysical exploration in an area of the Uinta Basin about 30 miles south of Vernal. Subsequently, the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance filed suit in federal district court, including a request for a preliminary injunction to block the project. After the court set aside the request for an injunction, the company began work. In March 2003, Veritas suspended work, having completed 11 of the 17 seismic lines, or approximately 65 percent of the project that was originally proposed. The company has until October 2004 resume work under the terms of its permit.

The court's ruling affirmed that the BLM considered a reasonable range of alternatives; fully analyzed the environmental impacts of the project, the reasonable foreseeable indirect effects, and the cumulative effects; and appropriately developed mitigation measures. Specifically the ruling upheld the agency's consideration of - and mitigation for - off-highway vehicle usage, soils, vegetation, archeological resources, wildlife and sensitive or threatened and endangered species. The court also found against the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance's allegation that the decision of a Finding of No Significant Impact was "arbitrary and capricious."

Howard Cleavinger, assistant field manager for mineral resources for the BLM's Vernal Field Office, praised the efforts of both BLM resources professional staff and the seismic company's crews. "The BLM's analysis and mitigations were right on target and the company's follow-through execution has been exemplary," Cleavinger said.

According to chief compliance officer Byron Tolman, who is in charge of overall monitoring for the project, the geophysical exploration work conducted between October 2002 and March 2003 has left a "minimal" footprint on the landscape. "In many areas it's nearly impossible to trace the path followed by the seismic trucks, let alone find any discernable impacts," Tolman said. "Contrary to allegations lodged in the suit, new roads have not developed and staging areas are reclaiming nicely," Tolman added. "Impacts analyzed in the environmental document were never predicted to be significant and were negligible on the ground."

Veritas' non-exclusive 2-D geophysical survey is being carried out over a large (3,168 square miles) area of the Uinta Basin in southeastern Uintah County.


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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Funny how so many folks are in love this natural gas for electric generation. The Canadians are only too glad to sell us all they have.

Sounds like you've been doing it all, in the mining business. It is a shame that this abundant resource has been demonized into near oblivion by the radical enviro-nazis. I've long advocated the usage of coal, natural gas, fuel oil and nuclear sources for power. I was raised in Farmington, NM and worked as a grunt laborer at the Four Corners Power Plant (once the nation's largest coal fired plant--maybe still). The enormity of the trucks, shovels, etc., was mind-boggling.

I've been in the O&G business for over 25 years and also realize the vast resources we have of that energy source. If only we could get a sane policy of using them all, power would be in abundant supply and a lot cheaper that it currently is. Just three years ago gas was around $2.00 per mcf, today it is $4.70. It will go down again, but not until some additional power sources are utilized, and I don't mean wind, solar or bio-diesel.

Ironically, the green agenda forced out coal, hydro and nuclear, leaving almost exclusively a dependence on natural gas. This resulted in the thin margins of supply we now have, particularly when you factor in the obstruction of all drilling efforts.

51 posted on 09/16/2003 2:36:25 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; biblewonk
Wow, this must be my lucky day!

All the wells that I have participated in drilling will produce natural gas, in large quantities, all day, every day, for at least 20 years to come.

To the aforementioned strong steadfastness and jumping to unsupportable conclusions, add pride. This is a venerable trifecta with regard to effectively shutting out any chance of reasoning.

(Drilling gas and oil wells, eh? Certainly, you'd never hear the end of it from "the guys" if you went soft on that "enviro-whacko" wind power now, would ya? Why, that'd be like a UAW man driving a Subaru! By all means, don't let 'em think you're different. Who knows what ugly accusations that might lead to!)

So, for all who use electricity, heat or cool buildings with that product, will do as you do, thank me for that supply.

(It just keeps getting better!) Here, I sense delusions of grandeur and/or a sense of entitlement. We should thank you?! Where I come from, the vendor (seller, producer) thanks the customer (buyer, consumer), not the other way around. But, hey, this nothing if it isn't fun!

And, oh by the way, indirectly pay me for it. So thanks really should go to you and them for keeping me in the lifestyle I've become accustomed to.

Well, that's better. Although it has a bit of a reluctant tone to it, there is a glimmer of hope.

Keep up the good work, I've got two kids in college and one going next year and I will need all your indirect checks.

Aw, that hope is dashed somewhat by yet another unsupportable conclusion to which you have jumped. Contrary to your conclusion, very little if any of my electricity comes from natural gas ("yours" or anyone else's)! There's a 580 MW nuclear plant only 12 miles from where I sit. And, to the best of my knowledge, there are no gas-fired power plants within a 100 mile radius, only coal.

Unfortunately, there is a new, 600 MW gas-fired plant under construction some 150 miles to my NW. As was said before, "stupid, stupid, stupid." However, within a hundred miles of that new white elephant there will soon be a 310 MW wind farm under construction (the world's largest), adding to the existing 400 MW of generating capacity in my state.

But, we already know you know all there is to know about wind power, and you steadfastly oppose it.

So, although I don't feel compelled to thank you any more than I already do (in paying my bill) for all the work you do to supply me with all that natural gas, I will thank you once more for your continued efforts to substantiate my case.

Meanwhile, if anyone in this conversation ought to be doing any thanking, it sounds like you might think about thanking the real environuts for all their efforts -- much of it unpaid, I'd think -- which have resulted in greatly increasing the demand for your labor. You and I can stand in unison in deriding them and their misguided causes. But, unlike me, it sounds as if you owe them a debt of gratitude! (This is rich!) If it wasn't for them, a lot more of this nation's electricity would be generated from coal instead of your gas.

52 posted on 09/16/2003 3:06:20 PM PDT by newgeezer (Some of us learn by trail and errror. ;-)
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To: newgeezer
it sounds like you might think about thanking the real environuts for all their efforts -- much of it unpaid, I'd think --

I'll not be thanking any RICH enviros.

Anybody ever tell you that brevity is the soul of wit?

I knew I could get you to blow. Adios Mr. Analyst

53 posted on 09/16/2003 4:05:35 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I got this explanation in my last gas bill. That's exactly what they said that one of the reasons for high natural gas prices is that natural gas is being used by electric power plants.
54 posted on 09/16/2003 5:16:15 PM PDT by virgil
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To: virgil
Thank Algore & Co for their "help."
55 posted on 09/16/2003 6:17:26 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Its one of the reasons I wanted a ground source heat pump in our new house here in mid Missouri when we built it last year. The unit was quite costly, but included four 200 foot geothermal wells that provide virtually free air conditioning (incoming temp is 59 F) and reasonably priced heat through the radiant floor (we have a high efficiency wood stove since there is plenty of oak around these parts). Electrical power is only going to go up in the next 20 years and there's no damn reason for this to happen. The South Koreans have 18 nuclear power plants on their tiny chunk of real estate and I'm not sure how many the French have...
56 posted on 09/16/2003 6:25:14 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Electrical power is only going to go up in the next 20 years and there's no damn reason for this to happen.

Agreed. Sounds like you've done a masterful job setting your Missouri home up for excellent heating/cooling without having to pay the piper for electricity. Great thinking.

I've got a rancher friend who has done virtually the same thing in his home with geothermal heat sump system.

One of these days I'll be moving back to New Mexicio where a lot of my O&G operations are. When I do, I'll be looking for a decent sized piece of land and will build with thick adobe (1-2 feet). Out there, a properly built home can be heated with wood almost entirely and remains cool in the summer, without air conditioning. I've lived in one twenty years ago and it was heaven.

57 posted on 09/16/2003 7:51:27 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: newgeezer; BOBTHENAILER
Geeze, my apologies for involving you in my pain.
58 posted on 09/17/2003 6:10:17 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; newgeezer
Yo NG. Here we are trying to advocate renewable wind power to the enemy. He is on the take. We might as well go try to convince a coal miner that windmills work. We might as well try and show a union auto worker, say a nailer for example, that he isn't really worth 30 bucks an hour and that other people in other countries can make better cars, with a lower pay, and provide a better living to their families at the same time.
59 posted on 09/17/2003 6:13:46 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
So how do you feel about Link Belt cranes? The company started right here in my home town and my dad worked for them 20 years. {weeping}
60 posted on 09/17/2003 6:19:16 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: newgeezer
OH man! He's really got you started hasn't he. You would have made an excellent lawyer.
61 posted on 09/17/2003 6:22:11 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
We had two Manitowoc draglines, an older Marion 5 yard dragline that didn't produce much because it was always "down," and a 1 yard Link Belt "Speeder" which was used to dip the slurry ponds at the wash plant. We designed the ponds to catch the thickener (water clarifier) underflow (28 mesh X zero). The ponds would fill in a few weeks and the contents would air dry. The Link Belt operator would scoop the black mud out and stack it and then load it with a 950 into pit trucks for disposal in the empty coal pit.
I think the Link Belt was 1950s vintage. It was 90 percent available which is pretty darned good.
62 posted on 09/17/2003 6:31:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: BOBTHENAILER
We have a hot tub, two fridges and a small freezer. Our water heater and dryer are also electric. Power bill for June and July was about $75/month. Backing out all these other uses, I figure the AC cost was quite low, if not free.
Of course, the Water Furnace system, wells, floor tube work, etc, cost almost as much as out first house in 1975.
63 posted on 09/17/2003 6:38:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
We had two Manitowoc draglines, an older Marion 5 yard dragline that didn't produce much because it was always "down," and a 1 yard Link Belt "Speeder" which was used to dip the slurry ponds at the wash plant. We designed the ponds to catch the thickener (water clarifier) underflow (28 mesh X zero). The ponds would fill in a few weeks and the contents would air dry. The Link Belt operator would scoop the black mud out and stack it and then load it with a 950 into pit trucks for disposal in the empty coal pit. I think the Link Belt was 1950s vintage. It was 90 percent available which is pretty darned good.

That's interesting. My wife just asked the other day why there were these ponds and a 30 ton Speeder there by a coal fired plant right in the middle of town. I figured it was something like that. I'm surprised to hear a bad report about a Manitowoc. We had one brought into town to help finish a hospital upgrade. The engineers in charge build the thing out of order and needed a huge crane with a 200ish foot luffing boom so they had to rent this thing for a month at 250,000 bucks. I hear it took about 20 truck loads to haul the crane to town. HOW COOL!.

It was devistating having Link Belt bought out and moved out of town. My dad got a better job that paid more but he loved Link Belt. So did I. I knew every model and what it could lift and how much boom it could use etc. He brought me home flyers.

So now with windmills getting bigger and bigger, the cranes used to construct them are getting to be the very biggest ones made. The new big ones are on 330 foot towers and have components that weigh 50 tons. That's a big lift.

64 posted on 09/17/2003 6:40:49 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
The Marion was the dog. The two Manitowocs were better than 85 percent available, and we had better service from the factory in Wisconsin than we did for our spread of Cat equipment via the local Cat dealer.
The first mine forman insisted they be set up with eight yard Page archless buckets, weighing about 36,000 pounds, which were too big for what were essentially 6 or 7 yard machines.
We paid for it years later when we had to replace the big circle gear that the house rotated on---it had developed a dozen or more cracks from over-stress.
iIt took three rental cranes to lift the boom, counter weight and house off to get to the circle gear.
$$$ !
65 posted on 09/17/2003 6:55:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: biblewonk
to the enemy. He is on the take.

Hahahahahahaha.

Laughing all the way to the bank.

Couldn't really understand your analogy about the UAW worker. Don't flag me to your blather anymore.

66 posted on 09/17/2003 7:00:41 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
I'll not be thanking any RICH enviros.

(Hmm... Add class envy to the mix.) You just can't admit that the environuts -- "RICH" or not -- create demand for your gas-drilling services. They put food on your table, wheels in your garage, a roof over your head, money in your pocket. You're indebted to them. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Anybody ever tell you that brevity is the soul of wit?

Were you going for "wit"? I was hoping for reasoned debate. Sorry if that hope was too unreasonable for you.

I knew I could get you to blow.

You don't know what you don't know, let alone what you haven't done.

Oh, well. At least we all know why you can't be trusted to objectively weigh alternative energy sources (alternatives to yours, that is).

Adios Mr. Analyst

Good day, Mr. Analyzed.

67 posted on 09/17/2003 7:10:02 AM PDT by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a true capitalist!)
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To: newgeezer; BOBTHENAILER
BTN doesn't want to be flagged too my blather anymore.
68 posted on 09/17/2003 9:45:16 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
UAW analogy: Union workers are not worth what they demand, just like you and your little gas wells. Meanwhile their politics all circle around maintaining their overpaid jobs, just like you and your opinion about anything that may compete with your little gas wells.
69 posted on 09/17/2003 9:47:13 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
little gas wells.

My little gas wells enable me to contribute nice donations to my church and local christian school, monthly.

You and newgeezer can mock away.......the recipients of my tithe are also laughing all the way to the bank.
70 posted on 09/17/2003 10:52:41 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
I don't believe you are a Christian.
71 posted on 09/17/2003 10:54:27 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; biblewonk
You and newgeezer can mock away

Well, I'm glad I stumbled onto this so that I can set the record straight.

I'm not mocking you; I'm just getting a kick out of your paradoxical situation. You know, the one where you owe a great deal of your recent success to the environuts you love to hate, and you can't bring yourself to admit it.

72 posted on 09/17/2003 11:05:58 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: biblewonk
I don't believe you are a Christian.

(With all due respect,) He didn't say he is one.

73 posted on 09/17/2003 11:07:32 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: newgeezer
He implied it.
74 posted on 09/17/2003 11:25:06 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: newgeezer
You know, the one where you owe a great deal of your recent success to the environuts you love to hate, and you can't bring yourself to admit it.

My success, over the last 15 years, is due to acreage acquisition in geologically defined areas, drill sites picked by seismic definition and/or within known productive areas and having an attorney and a geologist with his masters, as partners. It also has a lot to do with having the guts to roll the dice on your own nickle, win or lose.

It has nothing to do with enviro-nazis, who, in one area where we drilled over 54 wells, caused the price per well to increase from an average of $180K per well to $250K per well, due to DNR regulations imposed after enviro lawsuits. They HURT that endeavor in a big way.

If you bothered to read my other posts in this thread, you can see that I also advocate coal, nuclear and hydro power. This nation needs all the power it can get, (even your wind) and even though new nukes, drilling ANWR, new coal plants, new hydro projects and yes, wind farms, would have the effect of lowering commodity prices affecting me, I don't care. It is for the good of the nation as a whole, and that matters more to me than current prices. Actually, the current high prices are chasing away big manufacturing users such as chemical and fertilizer companies, steel and agri-business. Lower prices would help the solvency of those companies and keep their usage high.

I am able to make profits at $2.00 per mcf, as easily as $4.50. Just have to drill the more prolific wells.

Since you are well aware of my antipathy for enviros, I'm curious why you don't have the same, inasmuch as they will fight your wind projects almost as hard as drilling efforts.

In an effort to end this time consuming pissing match, once and for all, I'll concede that wind generation is getting closer to being a commercially viable power source, however, due to it's unreliability, it can never stand on its own. Just as none of the other sources can. The current price imbalance of natural gas will fade over time as it has for the 25 years I've been in the business.

75 posted on 09/17/2003 12:01:25 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
"Can never stand on its own". All I want is a 10 percent of the energy mix by 2020.
76 posted on 09/17/2003 12:32:36 PM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
All I want is a 10 percent of the energy mix by 2020.

If its commercial and not subsidized it will easily work. My disagreement has always been based on my perception of it "not" being commercial.

BTW, my pastor knows I'm a christian.

77 posted on 09/17/2003 12:39:16 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
You've been so arrogant I have to assume you are an RC or a Lutheran.
78 posted on 09/17/2003 12:41:07 PM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; biblewonk
My success, over the last 15 years, is due to acreage acquisition in geologically defined areas, ... It also has a lot to do with having the guts to roll the dice on your own nickle, win or lose.

Still, you're missing (or denying) the point. Those enviros you love to hate have artifically increased the demand for your gas, at the expense of coal. Without that increased demand, your employer wouldn't have acquired the acreage or rolled the dice. I'm sure you know this is true.

Since you are well aware of my antipathy for enviros, I'm curious why you don't have the same

I do share your antipathy for the environuts, as I wrote previously: "You and I can stand in unison in deriding them and their misguided causes." I've only said you owe them some gratitude. That doesn't mean I like them any more than you do.

I'll concede that wind generation is getting closer to being a commercially viable power source,

Wow, that must've hurt. I'm touched. ;O)

If it isn't already, it certainly is fast becoming commercially viable. Just forget about those piddly little antiques in California, please. We'd still be riding the rails cross-country, if people kept pointing to the Wright Flyer as evidence of aviation's shortcomings.

Technological advances are making wind power cheap.

however, due to it's unreliability, it can never stand on its own

Oh, I'm glad you brought that up. If, by "unreliability" you mean the wind isn't always blowing -- that favorite "diss" of the uninformed and anti-anything-that-sounds-like-the-enviros-might-like-it crowd -- I'll counter that all we need is a 21st Century grid, and wind can be every bit as reliable as your gas. The wind is always blowing somewhere and it's certainly viable enough to provide economical power for peak demands.

Just as none of the other sources can.

Wow, that must've hurt, too. ;O) So, it sounds as if your only real beef with wind power is commercial viability. Hey, you're almost on board.

Even if you can't thank a greenie for giving you job security -- and, deep down, you must know they are -- I'm encouraged that it seems you're trying to keep an open mind about wind power. Don't worry, I won't tell your buddies. But, I can't speak for biblewonk. :-)

79 posted on 09/17/2003 12:43:36 PM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. WORDS MEAN THINGS)
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To: biblewonk
You've been so arrogant I have to assume you are ... a Lutheran.

Was I so much more arrogant in the old days? :-D

80 posted on 09/17/2003 12:45:32 PM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. WORDS MEAN THINGS)
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To: newgeezer; BOBTHENAILER
It's actually much easier to get someone to believe in wind power than in Jesus.

So I musta been right about the Lutheran thing?

81 posted on 09/17/2003 12:49:53 PM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: newgeezer; BOBTHENAILER
"The wind is always blowing somewhere"

The wind doesn't blow... it sucks!!! It's being sucked to the adjacent low pressure area in an effort to be like Hitlery Clinton and equalize everything to the lowest common denominator!!! Thus, it sucks!!!

82 posted on 09/17/2003 12:59:25 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Forget Party Politics... Re-register "decline to state" and become truly Independent!!!)
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To: newgeezer
your employer wouldn't have acquired the acreage or rolled the dice. I'm sure you know this is true.

You're wrong and missed my point totally. First I'm self employed and when I made numerous decisions over the fifteen years I've been doing this, to acquire acreage and drill, gas was around $1.50 to $2.75, depending on which year it was. Enviro policies have only recently been affecting demand and they have NOTHING to do with whether or not a well I drill is a dry hole or successful. Three years ago we drilled several wells when the price was $2.00 and below; they still paid out in less than six months.

Don't worry, I won't tell your buddies.
Wow, that must've hurt. I'm touched. ;O)
Wow, that must've hurt, too. ;O)

I'm sure you think the sarcasm is kinda cute, but it gets real friggin' old for me.

I'll counter that all we need is a 21st Century grid, and wind can be every bit as reliable as your gas. The wind is always blowing somewhere and it's certainly viable enough to provide economical power for peak demands.

When we get one, we'll see.

83 posted on 09/17/2003 1:02:07 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: biblewonk
It's actually much easier to get someone to believe in wind power than in Jesus.

Jesus is my friend. I'll let slide the arrogant comment.

84 posted on 09/17/2003 1:16:23 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: biblewonk
It's actually much easier to get someone to believe in wind power than in Jesus.

Jesus is my friend.

85 posted on 09/17/2003 1:17:49 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: SierraWasp
The wind doesn't blow... it sucks!!! It's being sucked to the adjacent low pressure area in an effort to be like Hitlery Clinton and equalize everything to the lowest common denominator!!! Thus, it sucks!!!

You're on a major roll today.

86 posted on 09/17/2003 1:22:16 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Okay, you're self-employed. I admire that.

I'm sure you think the sarcasm is kinda cute, but it gets real friggin' old for me.

Duly noted.

Your seeming continued denial of the effect of the environuts on the demand for your services -- even if not your own job -- is either fascinating or "friggin' old." I guess it depends on how one chooses to look at it.

At any rate, I've enjoyed the conversation, and hope you have, too. See you around.

87 posted on 09/17/2003 1:37:23 PM PDT by newgeezer (Sarcasm content: 0.00%)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; biblewonk
Jesus is my friend.

Thou believest that Jesus is thy friend; thou doest well: the Doobie Brothers also believe, and tremble. (James 2:19)

(Sorry, couldn't resist! No offense intended.)

88 posted on 09/17/2003 1:44:46 PM PDT by newgeezer (Sarcasm content: 0.00%)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
What arrogant comment, the Jesus part wasn't about you it was a general statement since I've spent a lot of time telling people about the Lord. It makes the windmill discussion seem pretty trivial actually.
89 posted on 09/17/2003 1:57:47 PM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
You've been so arrogant I have to assume you are an RC or a Lutheran.

That comment.

90 posted on 09/17/2003 3:18:06 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; Liz
Yeah, but I got in trouble with Liz over your pedophile thingy!
91 posted on 09/17/2003 3:25:54 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Forget Party Politics... Re-register "decline to state" and become truly Independent!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Yeah, but I got in trouble with Liz over your pedophile thingy!

(Sniffle) That sad look of contriteness on your face really gets to me (sob).

OK, OK, (sniffle) all is forgiven.

92 posted on 09/17/2003 4:24:19 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
"OK, OK, (sniffle) all is forgiven"

Oh! Thank you!!! Thank You!!!

93 posted on 09/17/2003 6:02:58 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Forget Party Politics... Re-register "decline to state" and become truly Independent!!!)
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To: newgeezer
I guess it depends on how one chooses to look at it.

I guess. You see, I live, eat. breath and invest tons of dinero in oil & gas. I suspect you DON'T have any of your own money in wind projects, much less every last penny you have.

When you do, it tends to clarify one's thinking tremendously. Kinda like having a gun to your head, as opposed to paying $7.00 for a movie ticket to fantasize about having a gun to your head. Comprende?

94 posted on 09/17/2003 7:07:52 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: SierraWasp; Liz
Yeah, but I got in trouble with Liz over your pedophile thingy!

Forgive him, Liz, he's a spur of the moment, fun, kinda wasp. He's got a sting though, so beware.

95 posted on 09/17/2003 7:16:49 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; SierraWasp
Forgive him, Liz, he's a spur of the moment, fun,
kinda wasp. He's got a sting though, so beware.

Better we let "the stinger" loose on a bunch of Dummycrats.

96 posted on 09/18/2003 2:07:59 AM PDT by Liz
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To: BOBTHENAILER
That wasn't arrogant.
97 posted on 09/18/2003 5:26:10 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: Liz; BOBTHENAILER
"Better we let "the stinger" loose on a bunch of Dummycrats."

Boy! I bees ready ta start stingin 'em today, after watchin that Bubba style "Townhall Meeting" sick-in by Davis last night!!! YUCK!!! (those extra punctuations are my stingers)

98 posted on 09/18/2003 7:16:32 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Forget Party Politics... Re-register "decline to state" and become truly Independent!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Go get 'em, stinger.

99 posted on 09/18/2003 7:45:29 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
"Go get 'em, stinger."

Just so's I don't git my wings clipped!!!

Can't make much of a "buzz" with that happening!!!

100 posted on 09/18/2003 8:32:04 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Forget Party Politics... Re-register "decline to state" and become truly Independent!!!)
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