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The Great Butch Hope: Can Wesley Clark Deliver the Male? (the gay perspective on "macho")
Village Voice ^ | September 17 - 23, 2003 | Richard Goldstein

Posted on 09/16/2003 10:10:39 AM PDT by dead

By the end of this week, Wesley Clark could be the 10th Democrat to enter the presidential race. It's a long shot, to be sure, but the fact that two-thirds of voters in a recent poll couldn't name any Democratic candidate shows how open the contest is. As the first four-star general in modern history to run as a Democrat, Clark could fill this void. To understand his potential, consider how Republicans are already tarring him with the wuss brush. "A blow-dried Napoleon," snarked Tom DeLay, while George Will called the Bosnia operation Clark ran as NATO commander "the liberals' dream war" whose overriding aim was "to have zero U.S. fatalities." Not a manly tangle, like the one in which we're now ensnared.

It remains to be seen whether Clark can steal Dean's thunder—or whether he will have to settle for being Dean's veep. But Clark may prevail by positioning himself as the anti-war warrior. He opposed the Iraqi invasion from the gung-ho git-go. He's against the Patriot Act, for affirmative action, and firmly pro-choice. While he's dodgy on gay issues—declaring himself against same-sex marriage while discreetly allowing that he favors civil unions—Clark has signaled that he would order a reconsideration of the military's don't-ask-don't-tell policy. We'll see whether this adds up to a progressive agenda.

The anti-war warrior: Clark's four stars look a lot more authentic than
Bush’s strategically padded flight suit. (photo: draftwesleyclark.com)

Right now, there's no record to point to, since Clark has never held office. What he does have is strong ties to Europe via NATO. That should resonate against Bush's blunderous provincialism. And it would be novel to have a president without major ties to the Fortune 500. Unlike Dean, whose aristo roots sometimes show beneath his populist 'do, Clark knew poverty as a child. As the campaign heats up, this narrative of the self-made military man could loom larger than the question of political creds.

Much will be made of Clark's Clinton connection. Both men are Rhodes scholars from Arkansas whose fathers died when they were very young. Their friendship is a real asset for Clark given his political obscurity, but in the long run it might become a liability. You can count on the titans of talk radio to hammer home his alliance with the Great Fornicator and his Demon Queen. After all, the Clintons represent everything angry white men hate about liberalism today, and Clark is being positioned as a bridge to that constituency. As things stand, only 22 percent of white males call themselves Democrats.

Can guys who watch the Spike network bond with Clinton's man? The less gullible among them may. Certainly Clark's four stars are a lot more authentic than Bush's strategically padded flight suit. And in the end, the presidency will depend not just on ideology but on how each candidate presents himself as a man.

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Gender is the great unspoken force in American politics. It's every bit as powerful as race and class, perhaps more so because it seldom gets addressed. The fear and loathing that feminism inspires in many men (most of whom won't admit their terror) have enabled the Republicans to adapt the racial strategy that won them the South to the contours of sexual politics. The result is a gender gap in which straight white men root for Republicans while women and minorities lean Democratic. This alignment is the reason why Al Gore beat Bush in the popular vote.

For a while it looked as if 9-11 had demolished the gender paradigm, but it's already showing up in the California gubernatorial race, where women and minorities favor Cruz Bustamante while white boys are het up for Arnold. His Terminator persona is an FX version of the hyper-masculine performance that has made Bush the first president to inspire an action-hero doll.

But this aggravated macho has consequences, as the quagmire in Iraq demonstrates. And there's nothing like a stagnant economy to put male megalomania in perspective. Just as bitch slapping is losing its cultural luster, a related shift may be happening in politics. People are beginning to see through Bush's macho stance. It always looked a little ripe, precisely because it's a product of uncertainty. But that quality of bluster in the face of self-doubt was once a point of connection between Bush and men who felt threatened (and there are millions of those). Now that the so-called crisis of masculinity has become an actual world crisis, the president's compensatory swagger reads as it really is: dangerous.

You can bet your brewski that Democratic strategists are searching for a candidate with the right kind of masculine presentation, one that seems nurturing to women and reassuring to men. This is where Clark comes in. If Clinton was a bottom-feeding Rhett Butler, Clark is Ashley Wilkes. And because he's struggled for his genteel bearing, the way folks who rise in the military often do, it looks much more accomplished than Bush's G.I. George act.

Of course, a lot can happen in a year, including another terrorist attack or a well-timed war. But it's unlikely that Americans would approach either with the same crude sense of limitless clout. We have to be canny and cooperative now. The days of Dirty Harry, the enforcer who makes his own rules, are over. And Clark seems to draw from the other Clint Eastwood, the man who comprehends complexity and endures in the face of pain. America may be ready for that kind of cowboy.

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I don't take solace in uniforms, and I'm more likely to admire those who resisted the Vietnam War than those who distinguished themselves by fighting in it, as Clark did. I don't trust avowed centrists (who often turn out to be closet neocons) and I'm not eager to get into bed with a creature of the Democratic Leadership Council. I'd rather shack up with Liza Minnelli.

But it would be dishonest to claim that the events of 9-11 haven't affected me. I live a mile from ground zero, and that gives me a very tangible perspective on security. I opposed the Iraq adventure because it reeked of the macho logic that had given us Vietnam, and it is turning out pretty much as I feared. But I'm open to a candidate, in or out of uniform, who knows how to form the kind of global alliances that will keep me alive. And as for sleeping with centrists, after four years of Bush I wouldn't reject an unreliable suitor whose heart seems positive if not pure—as long as he can win.

That begs the question of whether falling for the military mystique can be anything but a patriarchal gesture. I worry about that, but at this point I'm willing to settle for anyone who advances the process of social change, even modestly. Maybe I'm fronting for my own retreat, but I've come to believe the revolution that endures is the one that happens slowly. And if Clark can make America see the difference between macho and masculinity—that is, between a defensive response to women and a confident one—he just might earn the ultimate star, as commander in chief.

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Research: Matthew Phillp


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; wesleyclark

1 posted on 09/16/2003 10:10:39 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead
And if Clark can make America see the difference between macho and masculinity—that is, between a defensive response to women and a confident one—he just might earn the ultimate star, as commander in chief.

This is the kind of crap that happens when someone thinks with their rectum instead of their brain.

2 posted on 09/16/2003 10:12:44 AM PDT by dirtboy (www.ArmorforCongress.com - because lawyers with a clue are rarer than truth-telling Democrats)
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To: dead
That begs the question of whether falling for the military mystique can be anything but a patriarchal gesture.

1. It "raises" the question, it doesn't "beg" it.

2. Who in their right mind would be concerned about the answer to a question like that?

3 posted on 09/16/2003 10:13:38 AM PDT by untenured
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To: dead
that has made Bush the first president to inspire an action-hero doll

I thought there was a Clinton doll, with "Kung-Fu Grope".

4 posted on 09/16/2003 10:15:55 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: dead
Wrong Way Wesley (his bosnia troops were generally getting lost)

as a perverse form of elderly Metrosexual?

He seems more like the clerk who would be general.
Any know Arnold Rimmer from the British Series "Red Dwarf"?

How about that guy who really needed a *J from "Good Morning Viet Nam"?

If anything Wrong Way's entry is the same as Mz. Braum placement to split the black vote.

The DNC must be operating on the premise of dividing the would be National Defense Democrats to the Fringe of Clark.

Last point: This is more a campaign for VP than for P.
(another wrong way)
5 posted on 09/16/2003 10:17:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: dead
'THE GUY WHO ALMOST STARTED WORLD WAR III'

In Waging Modern War, General Clark wrote about his fury upon learning that Russian peacekeepers had entered the airport at Pristina, Kosovo, before British or American forces. In the article "The guy who almost started World War III," (Aug. 3, 1999), The Guardian (U.K.) wrote, "No sooner are we told by Britain's top generals that the Russians played a crucial role in ending the West's war against Yugoslavia than we learn that if NATO's supreme commander, the American General Wesley Clark, had had his way, British paratroopers would have stormed Pristina airport, threatening to unleash the most frightening crisis with Moscow since the end of the Cold War."

"I'm not going to start the third world war for you," General Sir Mike Jackson, commander of the international KFOR peacekeeping force, is reported to have told Gen. Clark when he refused to accept an order to send assault troops to prevent Russian troops from taking over the airfield of Kosovo's provincial capital. The Times of London reported on 23 May 2001 in an article titled, "Kosovo clash of allied generals," that "General Sir Michael Jackson [was] told that he would have to resign if he refused to obey an order by the American commander of Nato's forces during the Kosovo war to stop the Russians from seizing control of Pristina airport in June 1999."

If General Clark had had his way, we might have gone to war with Russia, or at least resurrected vestiges of the Cold War and we certainly would have had hundreds if not thousands of casualties in an ill-conceived ground war

Say it loud say it often, this Guy wanted to go to war with russia and it wasn't during the cold war or WWII or WWI.

6 posted on 09/16/2003 10:17:43 AM PDT by dts32041 ("Moderate Arab" he's the one who detonates his bomb via remote control.)
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To: dead
Well, you can tell the guy's a genuine military leader - his hair is perfect...
7 posted on 09/16/2003 10:21:06 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
The fear and loathing that feminism inspires in many men (most of whom won't admit their terror)

So they keep this “terror” to themselves, you see, but somehow The Amazing Goldstein uses his mystical powers to scan their brains and identify their hidden fears.

He’s uncanny!

8 posted on 09/16/2003 10:25:06 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: dead
The Headline is certainly ruthlessly accurate.

This is the 'gayest' article I have read in some time.
9 posted on 09/16/2003 10:25:18 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: dead
...and I'm not eager to get into bed with a creature of the Democratic Leadership Council. I'd rather shack up with Liza Minnelli.

Actually a pretty funny line coming from a homo.

10 posted on 09/16/2003 10:25:50 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: dirtboy
As things stand, only 22 percent of white males call themselves Democrats.

So if it wasn't for the Oprah/soccer/new-age moms we wouldn't have to worry about a Rat for president. Now there IS good news because I think 9/11 did indeed change those women's minds about the world. Of course, they're so fickle, they can change their minds again in a heartbeat. Some people really are too dumb to vote, and I guess they aren't all in California.

11 posted on 09/16/2003 10:29:03 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: dead
Clark looks like a homo.
12 posted on 09/16/2003 10:29:22 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (There are two things in the middle of the road. Roadkill, and a yellow stripe.)
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To: Peach
so a STAGGERING 78% OF MEN ARE NOT DEMOCRATS?!!

WOW what a gender gap.
13 posted on 09/16/2003 10:33:58 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
he looks like he took fashion tips from the Ken Doll.

Remember what Eddie Murphy said on SNL: "Parents I can not emphasise enough to keep you sons awaaay from the Ken Doll."
14 posted on 09/16/2003 10:35:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: headsonpikes

This is the 'gayest' article I have read in some time.

It's Goldstein's one and only topic.

15 posted on 09/16/2003 10:36:16 AM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: dead
Need a favor...I was having a discussion with a friend yesterday who said that Gore was gonna jump in..he was talking about Gore's poll #..I told him that I think Gore wants to get in, and that the only reason he isn't is the pics from the SNL show of Gore in the hot tub.....I really think they would destroy his announcement...people couldn't accept that as a possible future president...the ridicule would be something....do you agree...and BTW..do you have any of the pics?
16 posted on 09/16/2003 10:36:50 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050
I don't think that's the reason he's not running. I think he's not running because he knows he'd get clobbered. And so do all his potential financial backers.

But the SNL pictures were certainly embarrassing. I don't have any links to them. They're out there somewhere on the net though.

17 posted on 09/16/2003 10:40:48 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: dighton
Perhaps if Justine was pinged to see if he gets all flushed for Wesley, will we know definitively if this could be true...

18 posted on 09/16/2003 10:40:53 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: dead
I predict a Klark/klinton or Klinton/Klark ticket in 2004.
19 posted on 09/16/2003 10:44:46 AM PDT by Captainpaintball (I tell ya, It's SICK out there and getting SICKER!!!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Hey Dan~

With the addition of Clark you now have 10 candidates (hey, I can count), minus Kesinich, Sharpton, Braun and Graham who are at 0% combined . . . AND what do you get?

Wha-la!


20 posted on 09/16/2003 10:45:34 AM PDT by w_over_w (We need to learn to set our course by the stars, not by the lights of every passing ship. ~Bradley)
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To: dead
Any bets on how long it takes Miss Morford to start publicly masturbating in her next column?
21 posted on 09/16/2003 10:49:08 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: dead
Disagree....if he announced today..he'd go right to the top of the polls...the current 9 have no traction..that's why Clark went in....Gore would gather lots of money and support, initially as the anti-Dean candidate..and it'd be fun to hear Dean go off on Gore...but those pics in the hot-tub with the Lieberman look alike..sipping wine with intertwined arms...remember...he'd be laughed out of the country.....I really believe he's kicking himself for ever doing that skit..
22 posted on 09/16/2003 10:50:14 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: dead
Must be "that time of the month" for Matthew.
23 posted on 09/16/2003 10:52:24 AM PDT by 6ppc
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To: Dan from Michigan
Clark looks like a homo.

Well, he was Clinton's general.....

24 posted on 09/16/2003 10:56:19 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Wesley Clark is to Eisenhower, what Ripple is to Fine Wine.)
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To: CFC__VRWC; Constitution Day
Any bets on how long it takes Miss Morford to start publicly masturbating in her next column?

The odds on that are pretty good.

25 posted on 09/16/2003 10:57:31 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Wesley Clark is to Eisenhower, what Ripple is to Fine Wine.)
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To: dubyaismypresident
so are you saying he was Bill's Military Monica?
26 posted on 09/16/2003 10:58:53 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: w_over_w
Don't care much for fags!


27 posted on 09/16/2003 11:00:47 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (I'm more ignorant than you, you wanna a bet?!)
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To: dead
Clark's four stars look a lot more authentic than Bush’s strategically padded flight suit.

ROFL! Isn't Goldstein the same guy who went on and on about "Bush's basket" a few months back?

I guess he's over that crush now...

28 posted on 09/16/2003 11:00:56 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: dubyaismypresident
Heh. No doubt!
29 posted on 09/16/2003 11:03:59 AM PDT by Constitution Day (+ R.I.P., Man in Black. +)
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To: Revolting cat!
Check your fire . . . check your fire . . . Clark's announced he's running. You're short one fag!
30 posted on 09/16/2003 11:04:14 AM PDT by w_over_w (We need to learn to set our course by the stars, not by the lights of every passing ship. ~Bradley)
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To: longtermmemmory; hobbes
so are you saying he was Bill's Military Monica?

Quite possibly. You remember Bill only had one requirement: something about being able to suck-start a lawn mower.

31 posted on 09/16/2003 11:04:33 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Wesley Clark is to Eisenhower, what Ripple is to Fine Wine.)
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To: w_over_w
Check your fire . . . check your fire . . . Clark's announced he's running. You're short one fag!

Yup. Don't forget about old General fag.

32 posted on 09/16/2003 11:05:50 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Wesley Clark is to Eisenhower, what Ripple is to Fine Wine.)
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To: w_over_w
I have to admit the advertisement you posted was a fake one, perhaps an invention of the creative FReeper "Registered," but nope, it's a real food company in England... I went to their site, and found these interesting words:

We pride ourselves on using the finest pork and pork liver for our faggots, topped with a generous serving of delicious West Country sauce. It's no wonder 100 million faggots are eaten in the UK every year!

And this:

So, take a look around our site for some great recipe ideas, some tasty news, or simply let us know why you love Mr Brain’s Faggots so much.

God save the Queen. So to speak.

33 posted on 09/16/2003 11:08:36 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Only YOU can prevent TWC alarmism.)
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To: dead
Queer Eye For The White House?
34 posted on 09/16/2003 11:32:32 AM PDT by weegee
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To: southernnorthcarolina
UNbelievable! It was originally posted by a British FRpr (forgot his handle) in response to another "queer" thread. I got a laugh and marked it as bogus. But it's twew! It's twew!

God save the Queen. So to speak.

ROFLOL!

35 posted on 09/16/2003 11:34:23 AM PDT by w_over_w (We need to learn to set our course by the stars, not by the lights of every passing ship. ~Bradley)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
LOL. Not to mention this gem:

The first ever National Faggot Week starts on the 26th January ! Seven days of nationwide faggot promotions, competitions and sampling.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

36 posted on 09/16/2003 11:43:38 AM PDT by cmak9
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To: All
You can bet your brewski that Democratic strategists are searching for a candidate with the right kind of masculine presentation, one that seems nurturing to women and reassuring to men.

This is sooooo funny! Nurturing! Reassuring! The mantras of the Politically Correct Losers of the World!

Bring Back Peace Through Strength. All we need is a strong economy, a strong military, and a strong Conservative President, Senate, and Congress!

37 posted on 09/16/2003 11:55:47 AM PDT by OldFashionedAmerican
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To: dead
His Terminator persona is an FX version of the hyper-masculine performance that has made Bush the first president to inspire an action-hero doll.

Not the first, or even the first to have this done during his presidency.

The Chi-coms who made the doll know a good thing when they see it. The Bill Clinton doll wasn't quite as "heroic".

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.", "I did not have sexual relations..."

(Eisenhower G.I.Joe figure)


38 posted on 09/16/2003 11:58:45 AM PDT by weegee
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To: dead
"two-thirds of voters in a recent poll couldn't name any Democratic candidate"

This says less about the candidates than about the mentality of the average voter, who is apparently locked onto reality TV shows at the expense of reality itself. Funny how my duaghter, who watches the despised Fox news channel, has managed to keep informed as to who the candidates are.
39 posted on 09/16/2003 12:19:04 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle (uo)
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To: w_over_w; cmak9
Or you could click on the "Faggot Family" link on the site, and read this:

The Doody family – true faggot fanatics – are the family recently chosen in a nationwide search to find a family to represent Mr Brain’s Faggots. Rather than create a fictional family, Mr Brain’s search was for ‘real faces’ - an ordinary family who loves and eats faggots on a regular basis. Mr. Brain’s wanted real people with real lives to be at the heart of the campaign. The essential ingredient? Each member of the family must be fanatical about faggots.

Hundreds of families entered the nationwide search, resulting in a nail-biting final. The Doody family from Dudley, Wolverhampton beat off stiff competition to take their place as The Faces of Mr Brain's Faggots. Frederick, Janet, Lewis, and Grace demonstrated absolute fanaticism for faggots as they took part in creating a Mr. Brain's Faggots commercial, role-plays and quizzes.

Really, there's not much I can add to that.

40 posted on 09/16/2003 12:19:10 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Only YOU can prevent TWC alarmism.)
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To: All
Hey Richard, your pink TUTU is ready for pick up at the cleaners..............
41 posted on 09/16/2003 12:25:57 PM PDT by labowski
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To: southernnorthcarolina; cmak9
UN-freaking-believable! It just occurred to me that if there are any trolls or DU Rats FReeping we could be giving them ideas for a new movement. I live in Kalif., it could happen!
42 posted on 09/16/2003 12:30:18 PM PDT by w_over_w (We need to learn to set our course by the stars, not by the lights of every passing ship. ~Bradley)
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To: dts32041
AMEN. And we had no real quarrel with the Russians then which we couldn't resove diplomatically. All Clark would have done is get a bunch of soldiers on both sides, all of them better men than he, killed or wounded. Given his association with BJ and the Witch, we ought to call him General Sink.
43 posted on 09/16/2003 12:39:52 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: ken5050
That may be a factor...but...I think the most important reason he won't get in is because Hitlery won't LET him. She holds the purse strings and is not going to release any of her important $$$$ men to back Algore. That's why he bailed out in the first place. He was TOLD that he wouldn't get the endorcements nor the financial backing of the DNC or the DLC. Remember who runs the party....The Klintoooons!
44 posted on 09/16/2003 12:45:46 PM PDT by mrtysmm
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To: Steve_Seattle
First they destroyed education in this country, then they whimper that everybody's too stupid to know the candidates or work the voting machines.
45 posted on 09/16/2003 1:32:12 PM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: All
bttt
46 posted on 09/16/2003 6:15:44 PM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: dead
He comes across as dumb. Interesting how his lack of gravitas is not really getting much play...but of course, the queens in the foggy media love this foggy person, he is sorta like that shape changer on Star Trek...he's nothing and yet there at the same time.

I loved seeing him have to actually ask one of his "people" if he should answer reporter's questions at a stake out.

Thank God for Fox News.

47 posted on 09/16/2003 6:20:59 PM PDT by Benrand
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To: Benrand
There's no doubt about it...

General Chauncey Gardiner...General being There...the people pushing this cypher should be ashamed.

48 posted on 09/16/2003 6:31:15 PM PDT by Benrand
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To: dead
MEET THE PRESS June 15, 2003
Permitting Gays in the military:
 
MR. RUSSERT: "But you’d look at changing the policy"?
GEN. CLARK: "Absolutely."

49 posted on 09/17/2003 1:51:44 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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