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McCLINTOCK IS NO BUCHANAN!
September 17, 2003 | Joe Armendariz

Posted on 09/17/2003 2:56:19 PM PDT by Writesider

The always brilliant Hugh Hewitt has finally outdone himself in his pre-emptive war against the California gubernatorial candidacy of Tom McClintock. Let us forget, for just a moment, the ridiculous comparison made in his latest column, between Tom McClintock and Pat Buchanan. But he also seems to want to equate the re-election campaign of President George Herbert Walker Bush, circa 1992, with the (R)nold Inc. Gubernatorial campaign taking place today.


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The always brilliant Hugh Hewitt has finally outdone himself in his pre-emptive war against the California Gubernatorial candidacy of Tom McClintock. Let us forget, for just a moment, the ridiculous comparison made in his latest column, between Tom McClintock and Pat Buchanan. But he also seems to want to equate the re-election campaign of President George Herbert Walker Bush, circa 1992, with the (R)nold Inc. gubernatorial campaign taking place today.

I must remind Hugh of a tedious and inconvenient fact. In 1992, when Buchanan made the decision to run for President, as a Republican, and to challenge Bush for the Party's nomination, Bush was the PRESIDENT! To suggest a political equivalency between McClintock's candidacy against an actor turned political-neophyte and Pat Buchanan's candidacy against a sitting President from his OWN PARTY, isn't just wrong, it is bizarre.

Let me admit right from the start that I like Schwarzenegger. In fact, it is impossible not too. He is a very charming, engaging person with an impressive resume of personal accomplishments. However, I think it violates the rules of political fair-play to question, or, in the case of Hewitt's latest column, condemn McClintock to the role of spoiler. (R)nold is not an incumbent Republican Governor battling to save his Governorship. That hypothetical scenario would better describe the Bustamante candidacy more than that of McClintock. And by the way, unless I am mistaken, it was McClintock who announced his candidacy first, not (R)nold. But I digress.

But let me be clear about something else, as does McClintock, (R)nold too has every right to run for Governor, irrespective of his interesting past. And I agree with those who say what a person might have said or done at 29 has no direct relevancy on who or what they are at 56. After all, we don't make anything true by our experiences. But, as the man of faith I understand Hugh Hewitt to be; he must also agree that it is not what we do that determines who we are, it is who we are that determines what we do. And that is not a distinction without a difference.

Something else I find curious about Hewitt's hypothesis is, for some reason, while referencing Buchanan's early days, he fails to mention that it was actually Richard Nixon and not Ronald Reagan, as he implies, that gave Buchanan his start in Presidential politics. Moreover, Buchanan continued to admire President Nixon up and until the day the former President died. He even delivered one of the most moving eulogies at the former President's funeral. This is particularly relevant in light of the close similarities between Bush 41 and Nixon.

In fact, the similarities are so close, it's almost startling. For example, both Bush and Nixon were members of Congress who later became Vice-President. Both eventually went on to be elected President of the United States, something that has eluded most U.S. Vice-Presidents. Both were committed internationalists. As President, both signed major revisions to the Clean Air Act, Nixon in 1970 and Bush in 1990. Nixon imposed wage and price controls, Bush raised taxes, including those on luxury items. Both supported an activist federal government in the area of foreign and domestic policy and both were willing to embrace policies that had the potential of hurting the economy for the sake of cutting deals with an adversarial Congress.

Therefore, since Bush 41 supported policies that were, for the most part, almost indistinguishable from Nixon's, one is perfectly justified in asking what it was about the policies of Bush 41 that Buchanan found so offensive he was willing to challenge a sitting President of his own party. The point to all of this being; there is no similarity between McClintock's Gubernatorial campaign and that of Buchanan's Presidential campaign, except for the fact both started out as underdogs. Especially since, with the exception of a shared opposition to issuing an illegal alien a drivers license, there are precious few issues in which McClintock and (R)nold seem to agree. And after all, isn't disagreements between candidates what political campaigns are all about?

Hugh and the rest of the Republican's supporting (R)nold should stop and reflect on one final point. The next time they are tempted to question the legitimacy of McClintock's candidacy and his political future because of his decision to seek the Governorship at a time when no one doubts his qualifications to be Governor, just remember this: Tom McClintock didn't spend the last twenty years, in the California Legislature, carrying the torch for the causes we all believe in, so that Republican's may one day accept him. On the contrary, Republicans have already accepted Tom McClintock, and that is why he has labored in the Legislature.

Joe Armendariz is Executive Director of the Santa Barbara Industrial Association and the Santa Barbara County Taxpayers Association and a supporter of Tom McClintock. He also writes a regular column on politics in California.

1 posted on 09/17/2003 2:56:20 PM PDT by Writesider
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To: Writesider
bump!
2 posted on 09/17/2003 3:00:33 PM PDT by truthkeeper
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Yah, your right. He isn't Buchannan. Tom McClintock might actually be sucessful at keeping a Republican out of power over a socialist, racist, machine politician like Bustamove.

3 posted on 09/17/2003 3:03:24 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
BTTT.
4 posted on 09/17/2003 3:04:38 PM PDT by veronica (http://www.PetitionOnline.com/bombings/petition.html - Homicide bombings = war crimes - sign this!)
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To: Writesider
I like Hugh. He's a friend (a radio friend). But on this, he's just wrong.
5 posted on 09/17/2003 3:21:27 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Writesider
Excellent article, which will undoubtedly be met only with sniping & cute one liners from the other side. Too bad.
6 posted on 09/17/2003 3:27:11 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: zbigreddogz
bttt
7 posted on 09/17/2003 3:31:19 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery)
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To: Writesider
You know I used to think that McClintock was an excellent but unkown candidate. However, after doing some research I have come to the conclusion that he is totally unsuited to be governor

In his whole legislative career, McClintock hasn't accomplished anything. Sure he's been a fiscal conservative (whatever that means) but his only concrete accomplishment according to the bio on his website was the Mello-Condit-McClintock Tax Rebate Act in 1987. That was 16 years ago. What has he done lately other than complaining and voting against state budgets?

Speaking of accomplishments, what exactly will McClintock do as governor? He seems to have four things in mind: 1. End the car tax 2. Void the energy contracts 3. Fix worker compensation 4. Cut funding to redundant agencies. Well everyone wants to end the car tax so he's welcome to join the party. 2 is totally unworkable because he can't just rip up a legally binding contract without spending years in lawsuits and risking the chance that utilities will simply cut off the power to California. 3 and 4 sound good but I can't see how he's going to it. Apparently, his plan of action is to tell the legislature "Do this or I'll complain about you to the public". Yeah, that's really going to work. More likely the state will end up totally in gridlock with everyone blaming everyone else.

Now a lot of people on this board (mostly out of state it seems) have fixated on McClintock's conservative social views regarding abortion, gun rights, gay rights etc. vs. Arnold's "liberal" views. However, what has McClintock done regarding these issues? Unlike Arnold he had 20 years in the legislature and he did absolutely nothing. How's that any better than Arnold?

Finally it seems that McClintock and his campaign are fixated upon Arnold. I have never heard, seen, or read him saying anything critical about Davis or Bustamante. It has always been "I'm gaining momentum, Arnold is an amateur, so vote for me instead of him". Why doesn't he mention Davis or Bustamante? Does he even care about them? Isn't he even going to try to get the support of moderates and independents? Is McClintock running a serious gubenatorial bid or is he just trying to spite the California GOP?

In essence, McClintock has accomplished nothing in 20 years other than talking and going on ego trips about how he knows everything and everyone else is an idiot for not listening to him. His idea of leadership is "Do this or I'll tell" and his plans to fix California are typical of a career politician - they sound good but are totally unworkable in practice. He says the "correct" things regarding certain social issues but it's clear that he hasn't and won't make a stand on them. Finally, even his motives about running for governor are questionable. Exactly why is he running this campaign?

Now contrast this with Arnold. Since his teenage years, Arnold has achieved everything he wanted to achieve. He wanted to be a world class body builder and he won the Mr. Universe a record six times. He wanted to be an actor and he's now one of the world's best known. He wanted to be a businessman and now he's raking in millions a year. When Arnold wanted to get into the politics with Prop. 49, he was successful by a wide margin. Now Arnold wants to be governor with the goal of fixing California. Given his track record as a doer and a winner vs. McClintock's track record of a talker and a loser (after all he lost every statewide election he's been in), who would you seriously vote for?

8 posted on 09/17/2003 3:54:14 PM PDT by spam_bank
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To: Writesider
That is a wierd comparison. I used to listen to Hugh all the time, but don't get him out here anymore. I think a better comparison is that Schwarzenegger = Bush 2. Republicans are again willing to trade principle for name recognition in order to get what they think is an easy win. But was Bush 2 really an easy win? My opinion is that it all comes down to principle, and name recognition only gets you a head start in the polls. I have been a huge Arnold fan since I was a kid, but the fact is that McClintok is the right man for the job. He is not going to surround himself with the right people (like Bush 2), he IS the right person. Day one, Arnold would put together a group to look at the books. McClintok, on the other hand, would have 3 executive orders signed and delivered before lunch.
9 posted on 09/17/2003 3:56:39 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: Writesider
Your brilliant argument, the spelling of his name as (R)nold to remind us of how similar he is to the last (R)nold to became governor of California, has convinced me. I'll vote for Arnie.
10 posted on 09/17/2003 4:01:02 PM PDT by per loin
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To: spam_bank
In his whole legislative career, McClintock hasn't accomplished anything. Sure he's been a fiscal conservative (whatever that means) but his only concrete accomplishment according to the bio on his website was the Mello-Condit-McClintock Tax Rebate Act in 1987. That was 16 years ago. What has he done lately other than complaining and voting against state budgets?

What a bizarre argument!? If the point is that California has gone down the tubes, why would you be looking for a candidate who had a hand in it? I would think we would be supporting the lone wolf who saw the writing on the wall for the last two decades. I lived the first 8 years of my life out here, then moved to CO kicking and screaming. 25 years later, I am back and I do not in any way recognize the state I left behind.

11 posted on 09/17/2003 4:04:16 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: sixmil
What a bizarre argument!? If the point is that California has gone down the tubes, why would you be looking for a candidate who had a hand in it? I would think we would be supporting the lone wolf who saw the writing on the wall for the last two decades.

McClintock may have seen the writing on the wall but he apparently lacked leadership ability to do anything about it. To be a good governor you have to be a good leader above all else. That includes the ability to convince people, to listen to people, and to compromise. These are qualitites that McClintock lacks.

And how did Arnold have do with the current fiscal situation except to express his desire to fix it?

12 posted on 09/17/2003 4:22:26 PM PDT by spam_bank
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To: Writesider
For some reason the heretofore conservatives are star struck. This is a no brainer. Tom McClintock is the only bona fide Republican in this race. Tom McClintock is the only pro life candidate. He's the only pro 2nd Amendment candidate. He's the most fiscally conservative, too. I don't get it. Tom McClintock is the ONLY sensible choice.
13 posted on 09/17/2003 4:25:24 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Writesider
By the way - thanks for posting this.
14 posted on 09/17/2003 4:25:50 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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Absentee balloting continues.

Tom McClintock continues to lock up votes.

If Tom McClintock truly stands at 18% in the polls, he stands to recieve between 7 and 9% by absentee ballot before 70% of the voters go to the polls on October 7th.  On election day, even if he withdraws a couple of days before the election, he will recieve between 2 and 4% more of the vote.

Tom may by siphoning off as much as 10 to 12% of the vote, even if he eventually withdraws from the race.  Tom as said that he won't withdraw.

Each day that goes by, tens of thousands of more votes are cast by mail.

Can anyone beat Cruz Bustamante.  We don't know for sure.  Polls have been all over the place.

15 posted on 09/17/2003 4:42:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Writesider
"McCLINTOCK IS NO BUCHANAN! "

He sure is. Both are conservatives for America and life first.

16 posted on 09/17/2003 4:45:50 PM PDT by ex-snook (Americans needs PROTECTIONISM - military and economic.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I don't think they want us here, D1, I think they're still trying to convince themselves. The should have a consenus in a few weeks.
17 posted on 09/17/2003 4:47:43 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: 68 grunt
I think both sides what what's best for the state. The McClintock die-hards see themselves as this state's last chance of getting a real conservative in there. The other side sees Schwarzenegger as a stepping stone. With Arnold's help, McClintock may yet be governor or a US Senator. Arnold is not totally down-side. He will do some things we like and some things we don't.
18 posted on 09/17/2003 4:51:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
The voters in California are certainly free to vote as they please, but the Republicans are almost certainly guaranteeing a Bustamante win.

Demands that the Republican who has the most support to withdraw fail the laugh test.

The Democrat strategy of divide and conquer is going to prevail.

19 posted on 09/17/2003 4:55:38 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: spam_bank
I, for one, like your post and agree with it. What great accomplishments does Tom have? What is his track record of success?

Cheers, CC :)
20 posted on 09/17/2003 4:59:18 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: DoughtyOne
Well, I'm seeing something different, and that is Arnie taking charge and addressing some serious issue, unafraid of upon whose toes he steps. I see him making change that a normal politician couldn't. I see a potential ground swell of change, many festering issues drained, many compromises made, many hard steps taken and real and genuine progress made. Uniting across party lines for the common good, with respect and tolerance. I see it as an opportunity too good to miss. Some of the compromises might not be what rather, but that is the nature of compromise.

Hey, D1, why do I waste my time saying this, only to have evidence demanded of me?

21 posted on 09/17/2003 5:01:00 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: 68 grunt
Some of you seem oblivious to an inconvenient factoid; Legislative Republicans hold their Caucus meetings in a phone booth.

To hold McClintock responsible for not "accomplishing" anything, or lacking so-called successes, demonstrates a profound misunderstanding, with all due respect, of the political climate in Sacramento.

Finally, ponder this outrage; Davis may very well be the most Moderate Democrat in the entire statewide caucus.You can't compromise with them, they are political terrosists.
22 posted on 09/17/2003 5:07:27 PM PDT by Writesider
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To: Dog Gone
Have you noticed that the Democrats have been almost mute regarding McClintock and Schwarzenegger. I know that they are making comments, but most of them are geared toward what they themsleves do that will be lost if the others win. They just aren't going after them with the zeal I've seen in past elections. I wonder why? LOL

Cruz talks about what he has done. Davis does the same. Their spots don't even mention the other guys.

I personally think McClintock has been much more destructive to the conservative effort in this election than he'll ever understand. No Arnold is not a conservative on many issues. Does Tom think nobody realizes this? I know the guy means well, but we're in the process of going down in flames IMO.
23 posted on 09/17/2003 5:09:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Saundra Duffy
Tom McClintock is the only bona fide Republican in this race.

Actually he can't even get the support of the state or the national GOP. But I bet that's a plus to you.

Tom McClintock is the only pro life candidate.

20 years in politics and what has he done about his supposed pro-life beliefs?

He's the only pro 2nd Amendment candidate.

Again what has he done about his beliefs?

He's the most fiscally conservative, too.

He's also incapable of convincing others that a fiscally conservative policy is the best way to go.

I don't get it.

Here's a hint. McClintock is a career politician with zero accomplishments. He thinks he is some sort of genius on fiscal issues and doesn't give a rats ass about social issues other than to say what he is expected to say. In short, McClintock is a fast talking loser whose political record and political views don't match. Why should I vote for him?

24 posted on 09/17/2003 5:09:38 PM PDT by spam_bank
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To: 68 grunt
This is one we'll have to stick to our personal perceptions and hope that things play out favorable to our cause. We are presented with a problem and each of us is going to have to deal with it the best way we can. For me that Schwarzenegger. For others it may be to vote for McClintock and see Bustamante elected. Look, we'll have to deal with it if that's what comes of this. That's life.
25 posted on 09/17/2003 5:11:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Writesider
Oh man, I like your profile dealie!

What I'm seeing is a charismatic pulling the people with him and when we all pull things get done. I also see people of all stripes getting hip to the lies of the demoncraps. You must believe that I truly feel that this could be the beginning of a groundswell of positive change.

26 posted on 09/17/2003 5:20:43 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: DoughtyOne; All
If Arnold calls McClintock a decent man and is not calling McClintock to step down, why can't Arnold supporters follow Arnold's example and praise him while praising your own candidate? All the heat may be counterproductive to your goals and only serve to incite more folks to vote their conscience earlier than they ordinarily would.

What is the point of all the negativity???

[Obligatory sheesh.]

27 posted on 09/17/2003 5:26:27 PM PDT by SteveH ((Can't we all just GET ALONG!?! ;-))
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To: Saundra Duffy
The Shooting Star of (Liberal) Media


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28 posted on 09/17/2003 5:28:02 PM PDT by carbon14
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To: Writesider
I read your profile page too and I'm glad to have you around. My wife's family is old school Mexican immigrant. When her family came over two generations back, they slaved to the bone to establish themselves. Today the phone calls to LA County directors of nursing offices ask what services are provided if illegals just show up. The calls come from Mexico and are maternity related.

There's one thing on these people's minds. They want an ankor baby. With that baby comes the keys to the kingdom.

Look, I don't have a problem with immigrants, but I want that immigration run by the rules. When it is and people apply themselves, I'm as happy as can be to have them as neighbors and associates.

Thanks to you and your family contributions to our national fabric. Viva la USA... and Mexico too for that matter. I just wish it were a better neighbor.
29 posted on 09/17/2003 5:28:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: SteveH
If Arnold calls McClintock a decent man ...

What is the point of all the negativity???

Ah, has Tom called Arnold a decent man?

And in regard to the negativity, the exact same thing is also true of the other side. Why can't your come up with something original. We know your opinion.

30 posted on 09/17/2003 5:36:04 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: SteveH
Steve, when the voting started, this became a matter of record. This is it guy. We are electing Cruz Bustamante or Arnold Schwarzenegger to office. I'm not trying to be mean to Tom, but these are the facts. He knows what the numbers are. It was one thing to hang in there and hope for the best, but the guy needs to give some consideration to what we are faced with here. I know people disagree with me on principle, but the election is under way. We either pull together or rip ourselves apart.
31 posted on 09/17/2003 5:37:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: spam_bank
Mega BUMP!
32 posted on 09/17/2003 5:39:44 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: sixmil
Well said. I agree.
33 posted on 09/17/2003 5:40:03 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: spam_bank
That includes the ability to convince people, to listen to people, and to compromise.

What will Arnold compromise on if he gets into office? What concessions will he make? How do you expect to see him come ahead on deals with the Democrats?

34 posted on 09/17/2003 5:43:21 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: DoughtyOne
With Arnold's help, McClintock may yet be governor or a US Senator.

I'm curious. Why would Arnold support Tom for either office? Let's say Arnold wins the governorship because McClintock offers a gracious concession and his remaining support sweeps Arnold in. Given the current appointments on his own team, why wouldn't Arnold simply endorse someone more like himself for the Senate or for Governor in the future?

35 posted on 09/17/2003 5:49:06 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: spam_bank
Actually, Tom's argument for voiding the energy contracts is that they are NOT legally binding.

It's based on a conflict of interest of the negotiator for the state. California law is settled that contracts signed by such agents are legally unenforceable.
36 posted on 09/17/2003 5:49:23 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (A proud member of the McClintock Militia)
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To: spam_bank
Great post, I agree.
37 posted on 09/17/2003 5:49:44 PM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: spam_bank
And why should he mention Davis or Bustamante?

It's practically a given that those two suck, at least among the people willing to vote for a Republican, so he needs to make the case he's a better candidate than Arnold.

Being better than Davis and Cruz is considered a given.
38 posted on 09/17/2003 5:50:35 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (A proud member of the McClintock Militia)
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To: spam_bank
McClintock has explained these items. On the chance you're interested in the answers, unlike other anti-McClintock voices on these threads...

Void the energy contracts... totally unworkable because he can't just rip up a legally binding contract without spending years in lawsuits and risking the chance that utilities will simply cut off the power to California.

The contracts will be easily voided because he will stipulate to the conflict of interest involved by the prior administration's use of a representative in the negotiations with the energy companies being simultaneously a paid lobbyist for the energy industry. That immediately nullifies the contracts. Davis won't make that stipulation because it just provides one more example of how sleazy/incompetent he is.

3. Fix worker compensation 4. Cut funding to redundant agencies... 3 and 4 sound good but I can't see how he's going to it.

His plan is to put bills on these matters before the state legislature. If they don't act on them within 30 days, he'll use the initiative process to put each of the issues on the ballot for the people to vote on.

Sounds like a pretty good plan to me.

39 posted on 09/17/2003 5:51:25 PM PDT by william clark
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To: zbigreddogz; strela
Yah, your right. He isn't Buchannan. Tom McClintock might actually be sucessful at keeping a Republican out of power over a socialist, racist, machine politician like Bustamove.

Whereas, of course, Buchanan is the singularly unsuccessful socialist, racist, wannabe a machine politician.

;)

40 posted on 09/17/2003 5:54:24 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Just a mudblood RINO)
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To: DoughtyOne
Sure, but I am wondering if we can do it in a gentlemenly manner, that's all. The calendar is nice but to anyone rigged for a coming political storm (and shouldn't we all be?), it's not relevant.
41 posted on 09/17/2003 5:55:17 PM PDT by SteveH ((Can't we all just GET ALONG!?! ;-))
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To: SteveH
If Arnold calls McClintock a decent man and is not calling McClintock to step down, why can't Arnold supporters follow Arnold's example and praise him while praising your own candidate?

Same question could be asked of the Tom supporters. So far, Tom has only attacked Arnold. Cruz and Grey have gone untouched.

42 posted on 09/17/2003 5:58:00 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: CheneyChick; strela
I look at it this way - who would you choose to be the CEO of your company, Arnold or McClintock? CEOs make the hard decisions, implement policy, and are the lightning rods for all grievances.

Arnold has been there and done that, and has a solid track record.

On the other hand, Tommy Boy has never met a payroll, and has spent a lifetime tossing around pretty words without having a stake in implementation.

The governor's office is not a high school debate club, and word boy, together with his minions, has been treating it like one.

43 posted on 09/17/2003 6:00:50 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Just a mudblood RINO)
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To: spam_bank
You're wrong on a number of points. First, McClintock can easily void the energy contracts because tehy were negotiated in bad faith by someone with a conflict of interest. Davis can't do that because he would have to admit gross incompetence in appointing that individual. His plan is simple and spicific. He actually SAYS how he is going to accomplish 1,2,3,and 4.

Also, there's a lot of sick-legislation that the legislature passes, like the revised sex ed curriculum, that Arnold would sign but McClintock would not.

McClintock also favors school choice; while Arnold does not (yet he sent his kids to private school). That kind of hypocracy is too much for me.

Did he not accomplish enough in the state leg? the Rs are a tiny minority and are all but ignored. Note he also wrote the currently-in-effect death penalty law. He has been in the leadership of the state assembly.

It just sounds like you are downplaying the man and all his credentials inside and outside the state leg.

I would rather have Bustamecha win than ARnold, because then I'd be more confident of an R in the gov's seat in 2006.
44 posted on 09/17/2003 6:01:03 PM PDT by mbraynard
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To: Writesider
The lipless, crosseyed, obnoxious one has earned no respect.

He is nothing more than a pretty word tosser.

45 posted on 09/17/2003 6:02:09 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Just a mudblood RINO)
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To: mbraynard
You're part of the problem, not part of the solution.
46 posted on 09/17/2003 6:03:06 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Just a mudblood RINO)
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To: 68 grunt
Bump :-)
47 posted on 09/17/2003 6:03:57 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: McGavin999
I'm just pointing out the inconsistency. It is wierd when a leader says his opponent is OK and his followers say just the opposite. What sense does that make? Either you support Arnold and his positions or you don't. Can't have it both ways, though. At least, can't have it both ways and claim to be consistent. Yes? No?
48 posted on 09/17/2003 6:06:50 PM PDT by SteveH ((Can't we all just GET ALONG!?! ;-))
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To: BradyLS
That's always a chance. On the other hand he might realize that McClintock was a favorite son and try to help him if McClintock took the primary. I think Schwarzenegger would boost Tom if he were the party candidate going into a general election. And I think his endorsement would be a very positive force being as popular as he is.
49 posted on 09/17/2003 6:07:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: SteveH
Steve, I give my views on it and you should feel free to come along behind me and give yours. My posts are intended to be food for thought. There's no reason why you can't offer up a side dish during the meal.
50 posted on 09/17/2003 6:10:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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