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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"If you compare the progress in Iraq to what happened in Germany after World War II, "

You might also consider that Germany was conquered then completely occupied by US, France, England, and Russia. Iraq was liberated but there is still a guerilla war going on. Germany is not a model for Iraq expectations.

2 posted on 09/18/2003 11:10:29 AM PDT by ex-snook (Americans needs PROTECTIONISM - military and economic.)
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To: ex-snook
Today's society wants immediate results, even when it is foolish and unreasonable. Iraq is being put back together very quickly and effeciently, despite all smears to the contrary.

There are desperate guerilla elements that would rather die than see us succeed. That is unsettling, but they will be a thorn in our side for only so long. At some point, the war reconstruction will be done, and a new government and social order will take over. Once people see that their lives are better without Saddam, attitudes will change. It is the aim of the U.S. to make that happen. We will have to enforce good government and responsible spending at the point of the bayonet for some time, much longer than the Adminstration is admitting. We can't have Iraq sliding into a theocracy or another dictatorship, and we need to ensure that their oil money is spent wisely.

In the long term, the game is rigged to succeed. At some point, Iraqis will begin to travel, and ideas will spread. Syrians will wonder why they don't have free speech, Saudis will want accountable government, and a righteous upheavel will take place in the Arab world. Before all that, however, we need to set an example for them to follow. We've built nations before, and despite what any government official tells you, we'll be in Iraq long enough to get the job done.

5 posted on 09/18/2003 11:31:34 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Too close for guns, switching to missiles!)
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To: ex-snook
Iraq was liberated but there is still a guerilla war going on. Germany is not a model for Iraq expectations.

Except that in the months after the end of the war with Germany there were guerilla operations going on against the Allies and against Germans working with them. Besides, no one said that Germany is a model for Iraq expectations. The point is that people are bitching about things in Iraq that have been taken care of in less time than in Germany after WWII. The only thing one can do is to compare a current conflict and its aftermath with previous ones. There is nothing untoward with doing so.
17 posted on 09/18/2003 1:56:18 PM PDT by aruanan
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