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No Question About It - Saddam and the Terrorists
National Review ^ | September 19, 2003 | James S. Robbins, Editor

Posted on 09/19/2003 7:02:00 AM PDT by Peach

September 19, 2003, 9:00 a.m. No Question About It Saddam and the terrorists.

When President Bush stated that "we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th" attacks, his critics quickly spun this into "Saddam Hussein had no links to terrorism." This was despite the fact that in the same breath the president had said, "there's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties." According to Editor & Publisher, the story got little play, though it is certain to come back to haunt the president during the election campaign when Democrats seek to wedge the Iraq and al Qaeda issues. Thus, it is useful to review the bidding on the known facts of the relationship between the two.

While it is still debatable to what degree Saddam Hussein supported the global terrorist network, it is becoming increasingly clear that Iraq provided terror groups with some forms of logistical, intelligence, transportation, training, weapons, and other support. The emerging evidence points to the conclusion that al Qaeda had a cooperative relationship — that is, a strategic alliance — with Iraq. The conventional wisdom has been that this could not have been the case because bin Laden, an Islamic fanatic reactionary, and Saddam, a secular Baathist modernizer, could never align or cooperate. On a personal level, they probably hated each other. If intelligence analysts approach their task with the premise that a relationship could not exist, they will lack the analytical framework necessary to piece together the clues that could demonstrate that it did. Maybe an Elvis Presley/Richard Nixon-type photo of the two would convince them, but not much else.

INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS 101 But the premise is facile. The principle that drove Iraq and al Qaeda together is one of the oldest in international-relations theory — the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The motive for their alliance was a common hatred for the United States and Israel. Ideology seldom determines wartime-alliance structures, and for both Saddam and Osama the 1990s were wartime. The Iraq/al Qaeda combination is as reasonable as the temporary strategic alliance between the U.S. and the Soviet Union against Nazi Germany, or Syrian and American troops fighting side by side during Operation Desert Storm. (Note that it is hard to distinguish Syria from Iraq ideologically, and Baathist solidarity was certainly not a motivating factor in the relationship between the two countries.) Moreover, despite their personal dislike for each other, Saddam Hussein was the only state leader openly to praise bin Laden's attacks on the U.S. (if not bin Laden himself).

Saddam Hussein showed no reluctance to support terrorism per se during his career. The fact that he gave money to the families of Palestinian suicide terrorists and had a close working relationship with the PLO was well known, and something he admitted. The Iraqi regime maintained a terrorist training camp at Salman Pak near Baghdad where foreign terrorists were instructed in methods of taking over commercial aircraft using weapons no more sophisticated than knives (interesting thought that). Saddam also harbored Abu Nidal and other members of his international terror organization (ANO) in Baghdad. Abu Nidal died under suspicious circumstances in Baghdad in August 2002, an apparent multiple gunshot suicide. Abd-al-Rahman Isa, ANO's second in command based in Amman, Jordan, was kidnapped September 11, 2002, and has not been heard from since. Coalition forces did recently apprehend ANO member Khala Khadr al-Salahat, the man who reputedly made the bomb for the Libyans that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. He was hiding out in Baghdad. Another bomb maker, Abdul Rahman Yasin, was also a Baghdad resident. He was one of the conspirators in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing who had fled there after being detained briefly by the FBI. Recent document finds in Tikrit show that Iraq supplied Yasin with both money and sanctuary. The 1993 WTC attack was masterminded by Yasin's associate Ramzi Yousef, who received financial support from al Qaeda through Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a key 9/11 planner.

There is also the case of Abu Zubayr, an officer in Saddam's secret police who was also the ringleader of an al Qaeda cell in Morocco. He attended the September 5, 2001 meeting in Spain with other al Qaeda operatives, including Ramzi Bin-al-Shibh, the 9/11 financial chief. Abu Zubayr was apprehended in May, 2002, while putting together a plot to mount suicide attacks on U.S. ships passing through the straits of Gibraltar. He has allegedly since stated that Iraq trained and supplied chemical weapons to al Qaeda. In the fall of 2001 al Qaeda refugees from Afghanistan took refuge in northern Iraq until they were driven out by Coalition forces, and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, an al Qaeda terrorist active in Europe and North Africa, fled from Baghdad during Operation Iraqi Freedom. He has reportedly been sent back to Iraq to coordinate al Qaeda activities there.

Iraq made direct payments to the Philippine-based al Qaeda-affiliated Abu Sayyaf group. Hamsiraji Sali, an Abu Sayyaf leader on the U.S. most-wanted terrorist list, stated that his gang received about one million pesos (around $20,000) each year from Iraq, for chemicals to make bombs. The link was substantiated immediately after a bombing in Zamboanga City in October 2002 (in which three people were killed including an American Green Beret), when Abu Sayyaf leaders called up the deputy secretary of the Iraqi embassy in Manila, Husham Hussain. Six days later, the cell phone used to call Hussain was employed as the timer on a bomb set to go off near the Philippine military's Southern Command headquarters. Fortunately, the bomb failed to detonate, and the phone yielded various contact numbers, including Hussain's and Sali's. This evidence, coupled with other intelligence the Philippine government would not release, led to Hussain's expulsion in February 2003. In March, ten Iraqi nationals, some with direct links to al Qaeda, were rounded up in the Philippines and deported as undesirable aliens. In addition, two more consulate officials were expelled for spying.

The most intriguing potential link is reflected in documents found by Toronto Star reporter Mitch Potter in Baghdad in April, 2003. The documents detail direct links between al Qaeda and Saddam's regime dating back at least to 1998, and mention Osama bin Laden by name. The find supports an October 2001 report by William Safire that noted, among other things, a 1998 meeting in Baghdad between al Qaeda #2 Ayman al Zawahiri and Saddam's vice president, Taha Yasin Ramadan. Other reports have alleged bin Laden himself traveled to Iraq around that time, or at least planned to. Former Iraqi ambassador to Turkey, Farouk Hijazi, now in custody, allegedly met with bin Laden before the 9/11 attacks.

THE ATTA CASE The alleged meeting between 9/11 team leader Mohammed Atta and Iraqi intelligence agents in Prague, Czech Republic (CR) is a unique case in that the Czechs have been more adamant about proving it than the United States. Interior Minister Stanislav Gross held a press conference on October 26, 2001, revealing the details of the Prague connection. According to Czech police, visa records indicate that Atta visited Prague twice in 2000. His first confirmed visit was while he was in transit from Hamburg to Newark, New Jersey, June 2-3, 2000. The German newspaper Das Bild reported on October 25, 2001 that according to unnamed FBI sources, Atta met with Iraqi diplomat Ahmad Samir al-Ani in a cafe in Prague on June 2. Another report has it that Atta did not leave the airport terminal since he lacked a visa. Later that summer Atta flew back to the CR. He stayed one night in the Prague Hilton, and may have spent a brief period of time in the town of Kutna Hora, 35 miles north of Prague, under the name Mohammed Sayed Ahmed. During his second visit, he allegedly met with Ahmed Hedshani, the former Iraqi ambassador to Turkey.

The more controversial part of the story is the alleged meeting between Atta and al-Ani in the Iraqi embassy in Prague in the spring of 2001. Atta was identified based on photographs published after the 9/11 attacks by an informer who was at the embassy at the time and had met Atta, though said he was "not 100 percent sure" it was him. The Czech counterintelligence service (BIS) gives it a 70 percent probability. Al-Ani was expelled from the Czech Republic in April 22, 2001, for "activities which conflicted with his status." He was allegedly plotting an attack on Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL), which was also supporting Radio Free Iraq.

But if they met, why? It is unlikely they were discussing the alleged RFE/RL operation, since Atta had more important things to do and the Iraqis did not need his help with that one anyway. They might have been discussing the 9/11 attacks, but there is no evidence to support that claim. The article in Das Bild raised another, more intriguing possibility: The Iraqis were supplying Atta with anthrax spores for use in attacks on the United States. The anthrax attacks had commenced shortly before the article was published, and the idea seemed plausible at the time. In fact, it still does — the anthrax used in the attacks was weapons grade, the attacks originated from areas near where the hijackers had been active, and two years of investigation have not turned up the presupposed domestic perpetrator. At some point, you would think Occam's Razor would come into play.

The U.S. Justice Department disputes most of the above. At the time of the alleged 2001 meeting, Atta had been residing in the United States for some time and was under tight surveillance. Because the U.S. has no independent evidence that the 2001 meeting occurred, and since Atta was apparently being watched closely, Justice concluded that the meeting could not have taken place. Yet, it came and went in a day or so. If Atta was under such a high degree of scrutiny, one wonders why the FBI did not know more about him or what he was up to. (Iraqi deputy prime minister, Tariq Aziz also denied the meetings took place.) The affair has been a matter of contention between the U.S. and CR. Interior Minister Gross, BIS chief Jiri Ruzek, and Jan Klas, chairman of the parliamentary commission overseeing the BIS, have stated that thus far they have seen no evidence to challenge their conclusions. Clearly, the essential person to talk to is al-Ani. He was reportedly apprehended by U.S. forces on July 2, 2003, though where he was caught, where he is now, and what he has had to say about the alleged meetings, are all unanswered questions.

Last June, former CIA Director James Woolsey said that "there were enough connections [between al Qaeda] and Iraq and Iraqi intelligence that we ought to be looking at this very hard, as we capture files and people and hard disk drives in Iraq and so on, and see what we can turn up." There are more open-sourced links than those noted here — I would refer readers to Appendix A of Richard Miniter's Losing Bin Laden for some more noteworthy incidents and possible evidence of collusion. As I have noted before, Saddam Hussein had means, motive, and opportunity to be involved with global terrorism, and al Qaeda in particular. Much remains to be revealed, and one hopes the administration is compiling a dossier to make the case in detail and beyond doubt. The president has stated that there is no question these ties existed, and it is frustrating that something unquestionable keeps being questioned so persistently.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; 911commission; alqaeda; alqaedaandiraq; atta; iraq; presslies; saddamhussein; waronterror
A VERY interesting compilation of facts surrounding Saddam Hussein's support of terrorists and AQ specifically.
1 posted on 09/19/2003 7:02:01 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach; nutmeg; Yehuda; Dutchy; tet68; Shermy
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2 posted on 09/19/2003 7:07:55 AM PDT by RaceBannon (It is perfectly fine to kill people when you are defending yourself)
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To: RaceBannon
Love your tagline. Thanks for the bump.

Can't get over how many naysayers there are on FR. Wish the administration would speak more about this matter - support for the war would increase tenfold.
3 posted on 09/19/2003 7:10:23 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Admin Moderator
If you think this article is worthy of more discussion and before it disappears from the screen, could you please bump to breaking news? Thanks for your consideration.
4 posted on 09/19/2003 7:16:56 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach; MJY1288; Calpernia; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; Coop; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER; ..
Thanks for the post, Peach. Nice summary. Enemy of my enemy is my friend: Saddam and Al Qaeda, Saddam and the press, Saddam and Democrats, Saddam and Hollywood, Saddam and UN-France-EU vs. America.

 Thanks, Tonkin!

If you want on or off my PRO-coalition ping list, please Freepmail me. Warning: it is a high volume ping list on good days. (Most days are good days).

5 posted on 09/19/2003 7:18:23 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Don't they care about the Iraqi people..at all?"~Sama in Iraq re. those pushing US to leave, 9/17)
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To: Peach
If Atta was under such a high degree of scrutiny, one wonders why the FBI did not know more about him or what he was up to.

Very good point in an excellent synopsis.

6 posted on 09/19/2003 7:21:40 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for the pings, Regtime Cowgirl. It's obvious what the press is doing and it's misleading by mischaracterization - again.
7 posted on 09/19/2003 7:23:14 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Alas, not just the press, but a number of Freepers as well.
8 posted on 09/19/2003 7:28:24 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: Peach
Wish the administration would speak more about this matter - support for the war would increase tenfold.

I think the reason they don't is because it's spook-world stuff. Consider the story about the nice people in the Phillipines. The Filipinos merely kicked them out of the country, but we're not told what happened to them after that -- I doubt we'd be dumb enough to just let them get lost in the crowd.

Or the Atta meeting in the Csech Republic, which the US is allegedly not pursuing. Really? Or is it just a matter of not pursuing it publicly?

Personally, I think there's a whole lot of stuff going on in the shadows. I hope we get to hear about it some day.

9 posted on 09/19/2003 7:28:55 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: MizSterious
I've been quite astounded at the number of Freepers who seem to be all too willing to find fault with the Bush administration, and spin the administration's words in a way that would make the press proud.
10 posted on 09/19/2003 7:29:33 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: r9etb
I'm sure you're right that there's a lot going on behind the scenes and it's spook stuff. Perhaps someday we'll hear about it much like it took a while for so much of the same sort of spook stuff to come out about WWII.
11 posted on 09/19/2003 7:30:41 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Great article, thanks for posting.
12 posted on 09/19/2003 7:33:44 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
You're most welcome.
13 posted on 09/19/2003 7:34:17 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Local idiot "conservative" talk show host has been ranting all week about how the Bush admin misled us. "If you didn't say Saddam was responsible for 9/11, why do most Americans believe he was?" etc.

Oh, gee, I dunno - maybe because "most Americans" applied common sense, as in Saddam did support terrorists in the Philippines and paid blood money to Pali homicide bombers but then we were supposed to believe that he wouldn't dream of supporting AQ? If this local afternoon drive time guy had any competition, he would be toast.
14 posted on 09/19/2003 7:34:55 AM PDT by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: Peach
Nice one.
15 posted on 09/19/2003 7:36:56 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Let's Roll
People believe Iraq was behind 9/11 because they READ - and they read articles that aren't all written by a liberal, lying press.

You're right - it doesn't take much of a leap to understand that Iraq and AQ have a common enemy - us.

Talked with someone yesterday who lived across the street from the WTC when it was bombed in 1993. They were astounded by the lack of interest and response by the Clinton administration.

Same couple saw the second plane go into the WTC on 9/11 - they were standing across the street and watching the flames from the first plane.

They said they and all their NY friends were extremely pleased with the actions taken by the Bush administration. They have all talked that it was obvious the terrorists would be back to finish the job. And they will be back again if we don't keep after them. Everybody understood how to deal with bullies and those who would hurt you in third grade. Well, everyone but Clinton and his ilk.
16 posted on 09/19/2003 7:39:25 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: jwalsh07
Thank you. Here's to hoping the administration sends someone out to talk about more of these linkages.

The White House press briefing used to be shown each day but it's fallen off the radar screen. Does anyone know when it's held and if it's aired on ANY channels?
17 posted on 09/19/2003 7:41:16 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Great find, Peach! It is now bookmarked for future referncing. [BTW, under sinkEmperor, the CIA and FBI were not communicating with each other enough to track a terrorist moving froma foreign country to Florida. Sadly, too many liberal minded CIA and FBI higher-ups still infest the two agencies. But at least there is a framework upon which information will now be shared/swapped.
18 posted on 09/19/2003 7:49:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
19 posted on 09/19/2003 7:52:40 AM PDT by blackie
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To: MHGinTN
Good point about the CIA and FBI not working well enough together to track a terrorist in those days. We need to find a way to make these jobs more attractive to our youngest and brightest and clear out the cell pool of "dead enders".
20 posted on 09/19/2003 7:53:04 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
The RATmedia has to work especially hard to avoid all these FACTS in order to continue in its pretense that Bush is just an opportunistic warmonger out to wreck havoc throughout the peace loving world. My hatred for it knows no bounds and is only equalled by my contempt for all of its factotums.
21 posted on 09/19/2003 8:01:09 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You and me both. The lamestream press is enemy #1 - I can't go find AQ and the terrorists (unless I get extremely lucky and stumble on one) - but I can and will fight the press at every turn.

They are mere stenographers for the DNC.
22 posted on 09/19/2003 8:02:29 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I was surfing on tv this morning. Suzanne Malveaux stated clearly "The American people trust President Bush." That was on CNN re: dem pres candidates.

Is CNN now attempting to be fair and balanced or was I dreaming?

23 posted on 09/19/2003 8:05:09 AM PDT by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org/)
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To: browardchad
We all know the answer to that question. National security was totally neglected, if not actively sabotaged, by the Abomination which controlled the White House for 8 years. RATmedia brainwashing continues to protect and defend its Boy to this day.

Until the RATmedia is attacked and destroyed America is not safe. It is now the most evil force in the world.
24 posted on 09/19/2003 8:07:03 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Peach
It is even worse. RATmedia is the most evil force in the world and is our most dangerous enemy. Until it is destroyed America is in great danger.
25 posted on 09/19/2003 8:08:22 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
26 posted on 09/19/2003 8:24:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Peach
"The conventional wisdom has been that this could not have been the case because bin Laden, an Islamic fanatic reactionary, and Saddam, a secular Baathist modernizer, could never align or cooperate. " The "Conventional idiocy" is more like it. Hitler and Stalin carved up Poland together, then the Capitalist Americans went to war on the side of the Soviet Communists. Saddam regularly and loudly supported the mosque-based Hamas Death Cult, subsidizing with cash the families that bound their little sweethearts to the pagan altar of Moloch.
27 posted on 09/19/2003 8:50:49 AM PDT by cookcounty
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"If Atta was under such a high degree of scrutiny, one wonders why the FBI did not know more about him or what he
was up to."

The FBI is too busy giving medals to Hezbollah and Hamas supporters...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984994/posts
28 posted on 09/19/2003 10:11:30 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Peach
According to Editor & Publisher, the story got little play,

Absolutely B.S. It got endless play. Remember "Bush's shifting reasons" critique?

29 posted on 09/19/2003 10:15:28 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Peach
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30 posted on 09/19/2003 10:38:54 AM PDT by lowbridge ("France is a dog-hole, and it no more merits the tread of a man's foot."- Shakespeare (All's Well..)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
31 posted on 09/20/2003 4:13:24 PM PDT by windchime
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To: Peach
Still, Peach, even without the 'spook stuff' -- the Administration during WWII talked up the war. Talked up our victories. Talked up Why We Fight!

WHERE is GWB? Why isn't he talking to us more? Or sending Rummy out to talk to us? Where are the pro-American voices for victory? Why do we hear Ted Kennedy's LIES about our President -- and not one Republican DEMANDS equal time to rebut him -- I would be screaming!

WHEN will the Republicans get decent PR help???? I just can't believe what I'm hearing -- even people who supported the war are being drip-drip-dripped to death. President Bush's pre-9-11-2003 speech was wonderful. But MORE!!! We need to hear from you -- LEAD, dammit! That's part of the job too!

Thank you... :-) rant done!
32 posted on 09/20/2003 9:34:59 PM PDT by Jerez2
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To: Jerez2
I agree with every word of your rant. We often complain in my household about why the administration doesn't go public with their victories and why, especially, they don't go public more often with WHY we went to war. Remind people. Teach. That's what Reagan did and we need more of it.
33 posted on 09/20/2003 10:29:29 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

A lot of important info here - but it's now nearly TWO years since this article appeared and FOUR years since 9/11.... WHY is the Bush administration saying virtually nothing about anything??? Do they simply lack any more definite evidence, or is there something else in play here? I know Bush does not care about polls, but the severe erosion of support for the Iraq war is truly hurting national security -- not only does it make it more difficult to succeed in our current endeavor, but it makes it nearly impossible to consider doing what we need to do next: confront Iran and Syria with imminent catastrophe if they do not straighten up and stop sponsoring terrorism against our troops!


34 posted on 08/24/2005 6:53:12 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: Peach

the worst pr outfit in america. the white house is so new tone and laid back. they let their supporters carry the water. with out sites like this and the talkers , bush is cutting brush full time. imagine all of the press all of the major tv outlets , moore etc. they couldnot beat the new voice. imagine R/R with this kind of support. the question would be , why didn't the other team show up.


35 posted on 08/24/2005 6:57:30 PM PDT by fantom
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To: Enchante

I don't understand it, Enchante. I used to think that the president would lay it all out in his own time. That's not going to happen. And it's a mistake. A big one. One of his few.

Check out this thread for all the links, going back to the 90's, between Saddam and OBL.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327993/posts

Did you know that in the 1990's the mainstream media wrote dozens of articles that talked about the world's alarm at the growing relationship between Saddam and Osama bin Laden? They think we can't look this stuff up.


36 posted on 08/24/2005 7:03:24 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
People forget about what happened on 911.
Maybe some were too young to understand.

All the years since 911 we have not seen the pictures of that day. The horror of it all.
Nothing at all on TV.....until last Sunday when National Geographic had their show. This film should be shown in every classroom.

We are at war and nobody has the right to doubt it!

37 posted on 08/24/2005 7:15:15 PM PDT by mickie
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