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Posted on 09/19/2003 5:30:59 PM PDT by Grig

The serious decline in participation in the last federal election is a grave concern. The Liberals won another majority government in 2000 even though less than a quarter of registered voters cast a ballot for them, simply because nearly 40% of electors stayed away from the polls. If they had shown up, the results could have been vastly different, or at least be legitimately viewed as the expression of the democratic will of Canadians.

Concern over this disinterest extends beyond the comments made in the media after the election. This past March, Elections Canada released ‘Explaining the Turnout Decline in Canadian Federal Elections: A New Survey of Non-voters’. It is a long and detailed research project carried out by professors Jon Pammett of Carleton University and Lawrence LeDuc of the University of Toronto. The objective of the study was to identify factors that were leading more and more Canadians to abandon their civic duty to vote.

As part of the study, they conducted an open-ended survey of non-voters in order to find their main reason for staying away from the polls. In most cases, electors are too apathetic and cynical to vote. Almost 40% of non-voters were either not interested, didn’t care, or ‘too busy’ to vote and almost 29% considered all the political parties to be too untrustworthy or too unappealing to vote for. Only 9% didn’t vote because they felt their vote would make no difference in the outcome. The remaining 22% is scattered between a wide variety of reasons such as being away during the election or finding the process of voting too confusing.

In every election there is a portion of the voters who stay home because of apathy and cynicism, but when that portion is so large that it becomes an obstacle to removing a corrupt government from power it grows and grows. The cynical non-voters want change, but because they have given up on seeking it their actions support the status quo. Likewise the apathetic electors help the sitting government stay in power. Those who are still willing to go out and vote are then frustrated again and again over the lack of improvement, so more and more electors give up. The downward spiral continues and if left unchecked elections become meaningless ceremonies.

There are two ways out of this trap, the emergence of a leader with the charisma to unite and motivate Canadians, or a sense of crisis that demands a change be made, even if that change is towards what is considered the lesser of evils.

Try as I might, I just can’t see an outbreak of Harpermania, MacKaymania, or Laytonmania as realistic. On the other hand, it’s nearly impossible for anyone to follow the news without realizing that Canada faces a serious leadership crisis. The federal government is asleep at virtually every switch, unable to even muster the energy to do such basic things as table a budget, or rise to the defense of citizens being tortured and killed by barbaric foreign regimes.

When the power went out in virtually all of Ontario, they just made up stories blaming some non-existent lightning storm in the USA and got back to their vacations, when the time came to make good on its promise to help Ontario cover the costs of SARS, all they coughed up was the loose change in their pockets, and the Prime Minister’s well photographed beef diner seems to have done nothing to help the cattle industry. On top of this are the daily reports of corruption, waste, nepotism, patronage, provincial alienation, encroachments on freedom, and deteriorating relations with the US.

The government seems wrapped up in it’s own little world where the concerns of ordinary Canadians are viewed as a nuisance that they will only address if forced to. Even when they do take action, it is only the minimum needed to deflect the attention of the media. If you think of the government as car, the Liberals have rolled back the odometer, painted over the rust, added sawdust to the transmission, and hung a pine air freshener from the mirror. It looks great sitting there in the driveway, but you don’t want to have to rely on it to get you where you have to go, even after they put a new leader in the driver’s seat.

Anyone who is not outraged or deeply concerned simply isn’t paying attention, and that is exactly what is happening. After all, if you aren’t going to vote, why make a great effort to keep abreast of the news each day? Many Canadians don’t even start to pay attention until an election is called; possibly because they know there is little they can do on their own between elections to influence the government. Even if you support the platform of the Liberal Party, their incompetence and arrogant, undemocratic manner demand their removal from power.

It would be nice if someone else would come along and wake everyone up to this crisis, but it would be foolish to count on that happening. By and large, the media is unwilling or uninterested in raising the alarm, and anything said by a politician is distrusted because a politician said it. Websites like this can really only preach to the choir, so it falls to each of us individually to reach out now to our neighbors, friends, and family. If you are willing to take action, you can motivate the non-voters (and change the minds of Liberal voters) around you far more effectively than you may think. The alternative is to sit back and hope that somebody else does it for you, and that’s just what the Liberals want you to do.


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That report is online at http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=loi&document=index&dir=tur/tud&lang=e&textonly=false if you really want to see it.


1 posted on 09/19/2003 5:31:00 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig
True in all Democracy. As a proportion of the US population, only 18% of the population voted for Bill CLinton in 1992.
2 posted on 09/19/2003 5:32:31 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (There are two certainties. Death and Texas.)
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To: .cnI redruM; Clive
"As a proportion of the US population, only 18% of the population voted for Bill CLinton in 1992. "

Didn't know that.

I think this 'sense of crisis' thing is at work big time in both the USA and Canada though. More people are paying attention, and it's easier to get people to start paying attention, so much more is on the line now than before.
3 posted on 09/19/2003 5:43:57 PM PDT by Grig
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To: .cnI redruM
18 percent of the population was 42 percent of the voters.

Hence only 3 Americans in seven voted in 1992.
4 posted on 09/19/2003 5:55:28 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (There are two certainties. Death and Texas.)
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To: Grig
If this be true seems to me 82% of Americans were disenfranchised!
The way government is run turns so many people off to the voting process. Also of the 18% that vote I will bet 3 to 5% of those voted for who they were told or instructed rather than for someone they knew anything about.
America has become lazy and uneducated thanks to the government doing everything for us,UH!
5 posted on 09/20/2003 4:43:39 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Grig
I was visiting the Yahoo Message Board this morning reading the thread on Delay's denouncement of Kennedy's remark and it was all anti-Delay, anti-Bush. These people will crawl over broken glass to get Bush out of office in 2004!
6 posted on 09/20/2003 5:51:48 AM PDT by Alissa
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To: Grig
The reason liberals win by default is that their supporters are often receiving government checks of some kind. When government takes from Peter to pay Paul, Paul will more likely show up to vote than Peter. Peter is never sure what is happening to his pocketbook, but Paul knows who butters his bread.
7 posted on 09/20/2003 8:50:52 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: .cnI redruM
The turnout in 1992 was higher than it was since 1960, as I recall reading. Turnout went down in 1996 and 2000. Reagan has the record for the most raw votes of any presidential candidate, but Gore polled more raw votes in 2000 than Clinton did either time. The statistics are sometimes fascinating.

Many think the higher turnout of 1992 was the Perot factor, with backers of the eccentric Dallas billionaire bringing previously "discouraged voters" to the polls in droves. He also brought out some of the "conspiracy theorists." It was always interesting that Admiral Stockdale said that he never had a political conversation with H. Ross Perot in his life and still hasn't. Anyway, is the "crazy aunt still in the attic," or has she been "carried away"?
8 posted on 09/20/2003 8:56:34 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Grig
People will care when they are motivated enough to. We have the same problem in this country.

Very little difference between the two parties (especially fiscally). And third parties don't have a prayer because most folks don't care.

9 posted on 09/20/2003 1:30:09 PM PDT by sauropod ("Oh Brian, Let's go to the stoning")
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To: Grig
I posted this once on another thread, but what the heck. Republicans have to stop being such cowards. Screw PC. People want free will, and the oppressive tax laws and forced "tolerance" control is not loved any where near as much as the demonic minions and their lieing toungs would have you believe. Anyway, here goes...

In the beginning, there was God. (Bare with me here. I'm making a political point - seriously)
He also make angles. Some more powerful than others, depending on what job they were to perform.
There was Satan. A beautiful angel with immence power.
God created earth. Earth was the grandest creation ever in the eyes of the spirits.
Somehow, Satan learned envy. Because of that, he learned hate.
He, being beautiful, decided he could be as God, and rule over the earth. He taught 1/3 of the angels sin, or to break away from God.
The good angels do not know sin, the others know nothing but sin, because they have fallen away from love.
How does God teach them the err of their ways? Oppression? Not a God of love. There was another way.
God created another type of spirit different from the rest. The human soul, or the human conscienceness.(The worlds greatest thinkers cannot explain this, nor can they locate it. It is unseen in our 3 demensional world. We wear a veil over our eyes so we cannot see.)
He gave these new creatures free will. They can choose Satan, or him. He put these creatures into a shell (body), stuck in the world both sides wanted to rule over.
If the souls chose God, their ways will be life giving, blessed, and the world will endure in peace and beauty. If these souls chose Satan, his ways would destroy this beautiful creation called earth.
The angels are watching us, and learning from us. So are the demons.
It's not a war between bodies, but a war between minds, or conscienceness.
One side will win, the other will lose. The spirits in the heavens will then understand who is fit to rule.

If a soul fears Satan, it gives him power. By acknowloging his power, he rules over us. That fear allows him to bind us, because our free will is bound.
If we acknowledge Christ, it decreases Satans power. He cannot control us through fear, because we fear not.

Politics - Bill and Hillary and their minions.
Why fear? What power do they really have? Have we been decieved by the dark side?
Look at Democrat policies. Who wants to be robbed or raped to support the democrat base who simply choose sloth as a lifestyle choice? Disease, or ignorance? Land grabs?
Rather than fear them, expose them for what they are. They reward sloth, unwanted pregnancies and the childs murder, they reward the diseased lifestyles so they will grow. They steal the land of others through their lieing tounges. They keep the children in institutions of vileness and ignorance. They enslave the minorities, guarenteering their vote in exchange for a meal.
Why do people, the few who try to choose what's right, still vote Democrat? Because they're uninformed about the darkside they're supporting. The rightous cower in fear of the Satanic side, and the Satanic side grows in strength every day.

Instead of the fear of propaganda, fear not. Once exposed, the good souls who have been decieved will hear the message. It would be like a Republican revolution, rather than a socialist revolution.
Don't go to war, but pity the lost. Offer them aid, befriend them. Teach them. Catch more bees with honey than viniger.
With the Democrats history and the results of their policies now showing in the world loud and clear, we need to point it out what they've done to this planet.
If things don't change, and people continue to live in the dark, man kind will eventually start to eat itself, and the grasshoppers will will grossly out number the ants. Every man will then suffer.

That's the lesson for today. Fear not, and teach the uninformed without fear. Thank you for your time.:-)

( I never did care for the Darwin theory.)

10 posted on 09/20/2003 1:31:11 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Grig
If you folks in California think it's lonely being conservative, try being one in Canada. All hope is lost for them. The country is now 100 percent bonafide socialist. They might as well be France. California, at least, has a pulse. Barely.

Democracy, unchecked by a constitution which limits the power of government, will inevitably become socialist as those with an economic interest have a greater incentive to vote. Just look at Social Security and Medicare, which continue unabated in spite of the fact that 87 percent of our wealth is owned by people over 50. We continue to believe the myth that seniors in America would eat dog food were it not for these programs. But the truth is, we are subsidizing plantation homes in Myrtle Beach and ocean-view condos in Tampa Bay, and for the most part they are inhabited by Republicans.

But, by God, we hate the welfare cheats and food stamp frauds.

When the majority is reliant upon it, no one will care about big government. That much is obvious to us even now. Our only hope is to enforce the constitution, but I fear that great document exists in name only these days.

11 posted on 09/20/2003 1:35:13 PM PDT by massadvj
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To: massadvj
When the majority is reliant upon it, no one will care about big government. That much is obvious to us even now. Our only hope is to enforce the constitution, but I fear that great document exists in name only these days.

But...but...if we do, the minions will call us mean spirited! Greedy! We don't care about the "poor"

So, we cower.
Instead, why not just speak the truth, and let them spin? Those who have ears will hear, and those who have eyes will see. We have the authority, the real Constitution, on our side. We have the truth.
We're letting the socialists "assume athority." It's got to be our turn if we really want to fix this.
Those who have become social paracites will no longer be the protected class, but the outcasts instead. Truth is always more powerful than the lie, but it will take the shock factor to bring the truth to the surface. If we do nothing, we fail, and our entire country fails.
We've allowed PC, the religion based on the tolerance of all evils, rule over us - rather than our own free will in our free republic.

DON'T fear PC. It's an illusion. Democrats lie.

12 posted on 09/20/2003 1:46:42 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: concerned about politics
I am 50 years old. For my entire lifetime I have seen the federal government become larger and more powerful with each passing administration. The number of people dependent upon the federal government has grown exponentially year over year over year. I tell this to you just as my father told it to me 25 years ago.

It will not change -- cannot be reversed -- until we end up where the Soviets ended up, the forces propelling us and the Soviets toward the inevitable end being one and the same.

My only hope is that I do not live to see that day.

13 posted on 09/20/2003 1:58:07 PM PDT by massadvj
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To: Grig
Blah blah blah. It won't make no difference. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. Kids driving around listening to rap sh**. More Mexicans than any other race walking around the mall talking Spanish, prices going out the roof from over-taxation. The sheeple walking around like zombies. I'm thinking of taking my measly savings and moving to the Philippines. At least, they speak ENGLISH there.
14 posted on 09/20/2003 2:02:45 PM PDT by Merdoug
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To: massadvj
The number of people dependent upon the federal government has grown exponentially year over year over year.

That's because the tax burden keeps getting higher, for the sake of PC facism propaganda, throwing more people into the poverty level. THEY then become dependant on goverenment handouts, too. 50% of their paychecks are gone, and they can no longer live off them.
Imagin getting a 100% paycheck! Only one parent would have to work!

It's the PC propaganda. It's not real. There are very few real poor people in this country, the rest are manufactured.
Fight it. Let them call you names. Truth is stronger than a lie. PC is a lie.

15 posted on 09/20/2003 2:13:36 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Alissa
These people will crawl over broken glass to get Bush out of office in 2004!

And they'll again offer every conceivable government program to get just enough interest to overcome the opposition.

16 posted on 09/20/2003 2:26:48 PM PDT by alrea
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To: alrea
And they'll again offer every conceivable government program to get just enough interest to overcome the opposition.

Rewarding and reproducing the very things they "say" they hate.
Why reward those things they "say" are bad? Why not do everything to get these people on their own, rather than just pay them off? How will more support for the misery change anything? Who will pay for these new programs? Not only are the truely poor a small handfull, but the very rich are very few as well.
Expose them. The average guy will become their slaves.

17 posted on 09/20/2003 2:33:24 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Theodore R.
Peter is never sure what is happening to his pocketbook, but Paul knows who butters his bread.

Remember, sticks and stones can break our bones, but being called "greedy, mean-spirited, homophobe, intolerant" can never hurt us.
This is a free republic, where we're blessed with free will, not a socialist state with a mind control police. It's all one huge illusion.
There's no such law that says our thoughts are not our own. Demand the right to keep them.

18 posted on 09/20/2003 2:42:19 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Theodore R.
Peter is never sure what is happening to his pocketbook, but Paul knows who butters his bread.

And here's another thing.
We pay no federal taxes. The government says we're poverty level. Why? I have no idea. We have more than we need, and donate $40 to the Salvation Army each week because we can.
When I have money in my pocket, it stays there. There's nothing I need.
So why do I fight for the tax payers? Because I sit back and watch one group toil and slave, and another group scarfing up the profits. It's not right.
The Democrats take half of everyones wages, and demand control over their free will to think as they choose. Republicans give their lives to Democrats, and get to keep very little of them for themselves.
What have Democrats offered in return? Anything? At all? No, not even a thank you for supporting them. Instead, they turn and trample on the people who feed them, and demand more of everything they have. No appreciation for anything they've been givin.
If they're going to demand and bitch, fight to stop letting them have anything at all. It's time they learned to care for themselves. It's time for them to toil and slave on their own.
No man should be held as another mans slave.

19 posted on 09/20/2003 3:01:13 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Grig
Western Canada doesn't bother cause socialists in Ontario and Quebec have all the power. You usually know a federal election in Canada's over before the polls in the West have opened when the CBC's tells you which party won the lion's share of the House Of Commons ridings in Ontario and Quebec.
20 posted on 09/20/2003 3:08:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: concerned about politics
No appreciation for anything

One of the side effects of organized government "charity" is a lack of appreciation, as you explain here. When government "gives" someone something, he looks around for "more." In that the government is "everybody," the recipient does not feel a particular allegiance for "anyone" in particular helping him out. Therefore, he is appalled that his government check is "so little." He votes Democrats in hopes of getting a bigger check. Some will even stay on unemployment compensation in order to draw their maximum amount "due."
21 posted on 09/20/2003 4:32:52 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: concerned about politics
Remember, sticks and stones can break our bones, but being called "greedy, mean-spirited, homophobe, intolerant" can never hurt us.

No, on the contrary, I don't think our Washington, D.C. Republicans and those in most state capitals either accept your analysis. To them it is horrible to be termed "greedy, mean-spirited, homophobe, intolerant." So many adopt the Democrat programs to show that they are not "greedy, mean-spirited, homophobe, and intolerant."
22 posted on 09/20/2003 7:46:47 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
. No, on the contrary, I don't think our Washington, D.C. Republicans and those in most state capitals either accept your analysis.

That's a good point. They allow "mere words" to rule over them, contrary to the will of the people who elected them. They're behaving like cowards.
Unfortunately, it is up to us to lead them in the right direction. Unfortunately, we have to play the role of "teachers."
I'm not saying to slash and burn. On the contrary, just be blunt enough to speak out against the thought police. If we don't, all free will, including free thought, will also be confiscated in the name of PC. What I'm saying is "just say no to the thought police".
Personally, I'm not one to agree with most Democrat thought policies, and I'm very much a person to speak out about the consequences and failures of them. Some don't like what I tell them, but they have no argument against what I say. Most say they've never thought about things that way, but say I make a lot of sense. It gets them thinking. That's one big step tward freedom, one huge step for all man kind.
Europe is sunk. There's no hope left for them. In America, we still have a fighting chance if we choose to use it.
Right now, a still small voice says "fear not", we're doing fine. With a little push, we could do even better.

23 posted on 09/20/2003 8:41:55 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: concerned about politics
"No man should be held as another mans slave."
Great statement. I just wish people would think of that when they shop at WalMart and bring home Chinese slave made products. Not much hope in that ever happening sadly.
24 posted on 09/21/2003 5:52:02 AM PDT by afz400
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To: afz400
"No man should be held as another mans slave."
Great statement. I just wish people would think of that when they shop at WalMart and bring home Chinese slave made products.

First, America has to stop voting Democrat. Only when we take the plank out of our own eye can we honestly stop another from doing the same thing they do.
Clean our own house of slavery first, before we complain about anothers filth.

25 posted on 09/21/2003 12:04:27 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Alissa
"These people will crawl over broken glass to get Bush out of office in 2004!"
I'll be more than happy to oblidge them with the broken glass!
26 posted on 09/21/2003 1:42:27 PM PDT by rockrr
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To: Grig
[ Do Nothing and Liberals win. ]

Which liberals.. republicans or democrats....
-OR- greens, reds or blue dogs...

27 posted on 09/21/2003 2:12:26 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Theodore R.
You got it.

When such a small percentage of the "eligible" voters participate AND government (fed, state, local) is the LARGEST employer in the nation...

you just know they are VOTING THEIR JOBs.

28 posted on 09/21/2003 5:56:21 PM PDT by HadEnough
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To: massadvj
Given the election results of 2000, I am predicting a Civil War II.

"On Tuesday, November 6th, 1860, Abraham Lincoln was elected the sixteenth President of the United States, with Hannibal Hamlin of Maine his Vice-President. Lincoln and Hamlin received 1,866,452 popular votes and 180 electoral votes in 17 of the 33 states. The Northern Democratic ticket of Douglas and Herschel V. Johnson of Georgia drew 1,376,957 popular votes, but only 12 electoral votes (9 from Missouri and 3 from New Jersey). The Southern Democratic ticket of Breckinridge and Joseph Lane of Oregon received 849,781 popular votes from 11 of the 15 slave states, for 72 electoral votes. The Constitutional Unionists Bell and John Everett of Massachusetts received 588,879 popular votes and 39 electoral votes (Kentucky, Tennessee, and Virginia).


Significantly, Lincoln carried all of the free states and none of the slave states. He was elected with just over a third of the popular vote, but an overwhelming victory in the Electoral College (180 to 123 for the other three candidates combined). When the election results were announced, the people of Charleston, South Carolina, began meeting and taking of succession. On November 10th, the legislature agreed to meet on December 17th to consider the question of succession. On December 20th, 1860, South Carolina dissolved the Union when its legislature voted to succeed."

GWB also lost the popular vote but carried the Electoral College. Nationwide fragmentation, Supreme Court intervention to end a Presidential election, country flooded with 3rd world immigrants/illegals who only want to TAKE what's left.

Don't look too good to me..
29 posted on 09/21/2003 6:03:10 PM PDT by HadEnough
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To: Grig
bump
30 posted on 09/21/2003 7:35:49 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: Merdoug
I'm thinking of taking my measly savings and moving to the Philippines. At least, they speak ENGLISH there.

It's no better there. They have taken away the common citizens' firearms in that country. Face it, this is the nation with about the most freedoms on the earth at the present.

31 posted on 09/21/2003 8:18:28 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: Grig
I thought the title of this thread was about Ashcroft still not prosecuting either klintoon.
32 posted on 09/21/2003 9:07:42 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It's hard to run for office when you are in prison.)
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