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54: No on 54 Union Thugs Assault Pro-54 Females at Davis/Gore Rally, Los Angeles
Yes on Proposition 54 ^ | 09-19-03 | Justin Jones

Posted on 09/19/2003 7:50:10 PM PDT by Alia

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To: BudgieRamone
You are right. And I concur. I'm of two minds here as to who the "source" is (yes, I know you meant specifically, "union source"). Gray Davis some weeks back held a multi-million dollar "conference" for union peoples. Cruz Bustamante is using $4.5 million to attack/censor Prop 54. This assault occurred at a Davis/Gore event. And who is now YES on recall, Yes on Bustamante? This union thuggish behavior is not at all new. It was unions who protested alongside "anti-war" protestors in Oakland. It was Unions who also came out against Prop 209. And "unions" are rabidly against Prop 54.

The most people I know who are so economically comfortable at jobs which do not pay comparable wages in non-union sectors? Union workers.

I've been hearing anecdotal stories from workers (who despise the union they had to sign on with in order to get "the" job); the union leaders are spreading a rumor that Bush is about to pass some time of bill "outlawing" unions. Or cutting into unions. I've heard this rumor from different sources; as quoted by workers quoting their union "leaders". So. Clinton? Gebhart? HILLARY!

Thank you, but I do get your point. Getting smarter, and wising up to the ruffian techniques and methods is key to standing, here in CA.

Got any methods, specifically, for finding these sources?

51 posted on 09/20/2003 7:38:44 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: x1stcav
Videocams. I think it might help to get our hands on some union shirts for protest supporters to wear while union-shirt wearers provide both security and videocaming. Pictures of the union thugs apparrel can be copied, worn and chould make for some very interesting protesting, eh? :)

The silver bullit? Garlic? :)

52 posted on 09/20/2003 7:41:58 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: goldstategop
Ahhh.. but dear Goldstategop.. The cult mentality works like this. The usual anti-American coalitions -- all agree to support each other's agenda (abortion, "living" wages, preferential aa, ...) ergo, these Pro-54 protestors are considered blobs of malleable tissues -- and are not humans. These are not considered humans unless they walk with the left!

CA NOW give a lecture to these thugs about "bullying", or "violence"? HA! It's the cult mentality thing.

53 posted on 09/20/2003 7:45:01 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Chad -- what an idea! But I get the impression Democrats would much rather see the National Guard involved in CA politics -- than elsewhere fighting terrorists.
54 posted on 09/20/2003 7:46:39 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: truthkeeper
Truthkeeper -- if you catch those photos before I do -- please post !!?
55 posted on 09/20/2003 7:47:19 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Well, we certainly need to get smarter in dealing with these union thugs -- out to assault and deny constitutional rights.
56 posted on 09/20/2003 7:48:16 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: xm177e2
The cops stopped them, but couldn't do anything about it because nobody had any evidence. Tough position for cops, too. They have unions, also.

Nonetheless, I think we should all take a page out of various group's "defend yourself from an attacker" websites: Pepperspray, long fingernails, martial arts, walking canes. We know what these goons are doing; along with "evidence" gathering methods -- protection is key.

57 posted on 09/20/2003 7:52:44 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: Missouri
Missouri -- "Union" here has a vert different focus and meaning here in CA than it perhaps has in Missouri.

From (fill-inblank) student unions, nurses unions, teachers, police, iron workers.. etc., -- UNIONS RUN OUR STATE.

Don't believe me?

Just ask the AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERITIES UNION. ;<

58 posted on 09/20/2003 7:55:19 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
A good taser or pepper spray gun, right? You might not be aware but Dems, some years back, banned the carrying of tire-thumpers in the car or cab. Strange little move, no?
59 posted on 09/20/2003 7:56:25 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
The union head who hatted Don eventually died, but not before they found his cache of ballistics and supplies for Y2K. Interviewed on TV, he told the cameras he expected there to be mass riots and that his union would bring order. It's like nothing has changed since 1920 for some of these idiots. And they vote.

I remember that .. it was both amazing and scary to see all the stuff they had stored away.

60 posted on 09/20/2003 8:00:00 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: river rat
River rat -- I'm on the same page with you. I see it clearly too.

I'm seeing a wild parallel in history happening. Even before MLK came on the scene. Blacks were marching to be treating equally. They were fighting similar "union" thugs in the south. Thugs who would beat them for their showing up at places, or opening their mouths to disagree with the "established" leadership.

It's here and now happening again. Same scenario -- and what were these protestors for? An initiative to ban government institutional use and practice of racism.

61 posted on 09/20/2003 8:00:17 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: freekitty
The Clintons had/have no class, and no dignity, no honor.
62 posted on 09/20/2003 8:01:18 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: em2vn
I think it means the perps need to be positively ID'd by name. Anyone can wear a union shirt. But who has the most to gain by this fracas at a Davis/Gore event?
63 posted on 09/20/2003 8:02:25 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: paul51
I learned that one already. If you walk around with a baseball bat, there's going to be trouble. A study shaleleegh, or walking stick is much better. :) And of course, lessons in the use of a bow, help tremendously! Bruce Lee!! :)
64 posted on 09/20/2003 8:03:46 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: King Prout
King Prout. Bingo!!!!!
65 posted on 09/20/2003 8:04:50 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: OldFriend
I recall this event, very clearly.
66 posted on 09/20/2003 8:05:32 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: paul51
I'd make that the second step. The first step would be to arm yourself. Firearm would work best but given it's a panty waste, gunphobic state, a baseball bat will probably have to suffice.

3-cell Maglight, Mace, Karate - all useful and a little less obvious. But I agree, a firearm is the best defense. Watch the thugs run. Unfortunately, in California, it isn't widely accepted, since it takes the advantage away from the leftist thugs.

67 posted on 09/20/2003 8:12:20 AM PDT by meyer
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To: Alia

While channel surfing here in L.A. last night, I saw a story about this Davis-Gore rally. While the newscaster was spouting the biased talking points ("Al Gore knows about election grabbing" echoing his speech against the Recall) there was a quick clip of an organized, red-shirted goon with a No on Recall sign pushing around what I think was a Latino guy with a Yes on 54 sign. I think they were both Latinos, actually, belying the notion that the Latino electorate is a homogenous monolith.

Can't recall the station, unfortunately. Might have been UPN 13. The disconnect between the script and not only Historical realitiy but also the pics onscreen was as vivid as anything I've seen.

It was as if a rebel cameraman and editor had deliberately sabotaged the newscensors.


68 posted on 09/20/2003 8:13:02 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Alia
Certainly not union members. I think you have posed a simple but excellent question. Who does gain from something so out in the open?
69 posted on 09/20/2003 8:14:38 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Alia
The nightmare of traversing the court system became worse than the assault.
70 posted on 09/20/2003 8:15:13 AM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: Palladin
Union thugs always go after FReepers. Remember the incident in Philly a couple of years ago?

We remember. After that incident, I was at an anti-Gore rally in Philly protesting the 2000 election mess. From just the people I knew, we had more firepower in the crowd than the average SWAT entry team. We had no harassment whatsoever.

71 posted on 09/20/2003 8:15:56 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: Alia
Like a designated driver we need to assign someone to be designated documentor for everything we do. And I am not talking huge lights and cameras but some that is more subtle. Until we get these guys on video then we will lose. If we can infiltrate their ranks... ( which will take some big cojones) and get on tape them conspiring to intimidate then we have them on federal constitutional violations.
72 posted on 09/20/2003 8:20:05 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: paul51
Is there any particular problem with the bat? How about pepper spray?

The bat will get you problems from the police.

The telescoping steel baton , either16 inch ($15 on sale), or 26 inch can be held descretely in your pocket collapsed, eliciting no comment, until you need it (at which point a quick snap of the wrist extends it to full length). It is a great fashion accessory that should be part of every freeper's wardrobe

Just keep in mind that it can be considered a lethal weapon (as would be the bat) and aim for arms and knees and avoid the head.

73 posted on 09/20/2003 8:28:10 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: x1stcav
Maybe it's time to start hiring security when we demonstrate

Maybe it's time for the United States Attorney for Los Angeles to get off his dead ass and conduct a real civil rights investigation. The First Amendment rights of these kids were brutally violated - so where's the same government that's currently outraged by the mere possibility that some people won't punch their voting cards all the way through?

74 posted on 09/20/2003 8:39:10 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Walkingfeather
I'm with you 100% on this.

Like a designated driver we need to assign someone to be designated documentor for everything we do.

75 posted on 09/20/2003 8:52:48 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: OldFriend
Been there. Yes, going through the financial draining system of "court" as well as having activisist courts and judges.. grrr.
76 posted on 09/20/2003 8:53:39 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: Sabertooth
Thank you for posting this. I'm glad SOME newspeople are actually doing "news". Pardon.. but what is UPN 13? Do you know who funds the station?
77 posted on 09/20/2003 8:57:46 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: ElkGroveDan; TheAngryClam
www.utcollegerepublicans.org

Need help getting organized?

Give us a holler! :p
78 posted on 09/20/2003 9:03:15 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII
We had a good thing going when I was up at Berkeley.

I suffer mostly from snobbery against the undergrads now. Plus they immediately start begging for tips on how to get into law school, as if I were on the admissions committee or something.
79 posted on 09/20/2003 9:08:57 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (A proud member of the McClintock Militia)
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To: Alia
Actually Bush does want to pass a bill that the unions don't like that would allow business owners the flexibility to give comp time instead of overtime pay--something I think is horse hockey, that should be an option left up to the worker--employers will opt for comp time or "vacation time" which is basically an IOU for working your butt off that you have to arrange to use sometime in the far future when the company can afford to let you go for a few days, least ways that is my understanding, so that may not be entirely accurate

Anyway, finding the source of a problem--especially union can be as simple as finding their website (some maintain websites with daily updates of problems/concerns) Some unions have union halls and the address is prominently posted on their websites ;-) Also networking with anti union "union workers" can help. I don't know how it is there, but here if you can find a laid off aircraft worker you have found an anti union ally.

I was lucky I didn't have to go far to find who I was looking for so other than the lazy way of hunting stuff up,
Thats about all I can offer. Hope its a start..:)
80 posted on 09/20/2003 9:20:03 AM PDT by BudgieRamone (Just my two bits)
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To: BudgieRamone
Thank you. Your knowledge is helpful!

Anyway, finding the source of a problem--especially union can be as simple as finding their website (some maintain websites with daily updates of problems/concerns) Some unions have union halls and the address is prominently posted on their websites ;-) Also networking with anti union "union workers" can help. I don't know how it is there, but here if you can find a laid off aircraft worker you have found an anti union ally.

81 posted on 09/20/2003 9:26:24 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
geeyeesh!
82 posted on 09/20/2003 10:05:28 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: paul51
Sprinkle a few well trained martial artists into the crowd.
83 posted on 09/20/2003 10:20:02 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: em2vn; Alia; Physicist
Never underestimate the power of intimidation. And the union thugs usually get away with it, even with cameras rolling. Just ask Don and Teri Adams.
84 posted on 09/20/2003 10:21:17 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Why would they usually get away with it?
85 posted on 09/20/2003 10:23:11 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: em2vn
Because they are well connected with a sympathetic media and the courts (especially in Philly where the Adams case was). They're tougher to beat than the mob.
86 posted on 09/20/2003 10:29:18 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: em2vn
Why would they usually get away with it?

It depends on the location. In a city with a Democrat Mayor, Democrat-appointed police chief, Democrat-elected District Attorney, yes, they are likely to get away with it, considering how much the Democrat machine needs the unions.

This is why things like these happen in Democrat strongholds, rather than in Republican suburbs

87 posted on 09/20/2003 10:31:46 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: Alia
Don't believe me?

I believe you. It's now being exposed for what it is.

We build alot of parts for the C-17 here in St. Louis. Then of course the plane itself is put together in Long Beach. Dealing with them has never been easy. I wish Boeing would move all that work here to the Mid-West.

88 posted on 09/20/2003 10:33:19 AM PDT by Missouri
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To: Alia
I'll be sure to ping you if I find something. You do the same, okay?
89 posted on 09/20/2003 11:03:13 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: SauronOfMordor
Some of the 'GET OUT OF CHENEY'S HOUSE' demonstrations got violent.

Doubt there has ever been a documented case of a freeper ever disrespecting the rights of other demonstrators.

Further, when the Million Moron Moms were in D.C. they were screaming at the gun rights crowd that they hoped they and their children were murdered by guns.

90 posted on 09/20/2003 11:10:01 AM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Very good SoM. I didn't want to bring it up because anyone armed in Ca. is considered a dangerous maniac but since you mentioned it, I already have a 21 incher. Incidentally, Cheaper than Dirt is one of my favorites. This very moment I am awaiting a new .357 Sig barrel for one of my Sigs from them!
91 posted on 09/20/2003 12:04:25 PM PDT by paul51
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To: Alia; paul51
Nonetheless, I think we should all take a page out of various group's "defend yourself from an attacker" websites: Pepperspray, long fingernails, martial arts, walking canes. We know what these goons are doing; along with "evidence" gathering methods -- protection is key.

Bringing weapons or doing anything illegal will only bias the cops against you. The proper way to handle a situation like that is to get it on videotape, and hold your hands in front of you, palms out, with the underside of your forearm facing the attacker. Cringe and let them hit you. Do not resist. It will be clear to witnesses what happened, and you will have medical evidence that you were not the aggressor (wounds on the underside of the forearm are consistent with someone cringing in a defensive position, not attacking). Obviously, this advice only applies if you think your life is in no danger. This is a political means of handling an attack--if the attackers are threatening your life, you should not hesitate to do whatever you can to stop them. But if you are in a public place, at a political event, handling the stituation in a political manner would be best.

92 posted on 09/20/2003 1:28:22 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2
The proper way to handle a situation like that is to get it on videotape, and hold your hands in front of you, palms out, with the underside of your forearm facing the attacker. Cringe and let them hit you. Do not resist.

'Fraid not. Would you like me to bend over while I'm at it? If this is your approach, you might as well stay home with the shutters drawn and let someone else take care of the dirty work.

93 posted on 09/20/2003 1:46:20 PM PDT by paul51
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To: Alia
and to think calif use to be a "right to work" state now it's an "at will" and public employees union state.
95 posted on 09/20/2003 1:49:46 PM PDT by markman46
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To: Sabertooth
I saw the sam clip on nbc4 last nite.
96 posted on 09/20/2003 1:52:28 PM PDT by markman46
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To: Regulator
Maybe it's time for the United States Attorney for Los Angeles to get off his dead ass and conduct a real civil rights investigation.

You are, of course, correct. I'm afraid it's open season on conservatives.
97 posted on 09/20/2003 2:19:22 PM PDT by x1stcav ( HOOAHH!)
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To: xm177e2
Bringing weapons or doing anything illegal will only bias the cops against you. The proper way to handle a situation like that is to get it on videotape, and hold your hands in front of you, palms out, with the underside of your forearm facing the attacker. Cringe and let them hit you. Do not resist. It will be clear to witnesses what happened, and you will have medical evidence that you were not the aggressor (wounds on the underside of the forearm are consistent with someone cringing in a defensive position, not attacking).

It sure did Don Adams a lot of good, didn't it?

The thugs are predators. One fundamental fact about a predator is that it tends to attack prey that poses no risk, and avoid prey that may kill the predator. The away to avoid attack is the make the predator think that he puts himself at risk by attacking you.

At the Philly anti-Gore rally, my daughter had insisted on coming along. Perhaps without her there, I might have taken your approach. With her there, my attitude was that any violent threat would be responded to with lethal force.

I will not be anyone's punching bag, regardless of the PR aspects. If I show up, I will defend myself from violence using whatever means necessary. If that will have excessive adverse PR consequences, then I won't show up.

98 posted on 09/20/2003 2:42:04 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: Alia
More racism under the liberal guise of anti-racism.
99 posted on 09/20/2003 2:49:05 PM PDT by pke
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To: Regulator
Maybe it's time for the United States Attorney for Los Angeles to get off his dead ass and conduct a real civil rights investigation. The First Amendment rights of these kids were brutally violated - so where's the same government that's currently outraged by the mere possibility that some people won't punch their voting cards all the way through?

Let me put this as clearly as possible. I've got entire files now devoted to State and sundry AGs, Trustees, City Officials, Human Rights, Commissions, every "imaginable" group posting on HOW ANTI-54 THEY ARE.

Let us pause, and consider CA's SAG -- Bill Lockyer ("lock ya in a jail cell with...X" in re Enron). Bill Lockyer made it very clear after passage of 209 -- he'd do NOTHING to assist or enforce 209. If he didn't work against the law of 209 -- outside of Willie Brown, I'm not sure what other official could have done LESS to enforce a law in our State's Constitution. And he is, anti-54.

Therefore, bluntly put: These "officials" have made their position STATED up front (on 54). Therefore, via "lib dem" script behavior - if you buck city hall's stated position - You are ON your own -- it's your Owwwwwn problem.

These "officials" are NOT going to do anything to "investigate", IMHO, and IME.

It's Bull Connor behavior of old: "I toldya up front you can't drink out of that water fountain, so if you do, we gonna get ya, boy"

100 posted on 09/21/2003 1:15:33 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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