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Ready to move? Free State Project will announce the chosen state on October 1
Free State Project ^ | Sep., 03 | Free State Project

Posted on 09/20/2003 4:18:54 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: archy
It would be tough to get used to the weather, but I'm tilting toward Wyoming. It'll be easier to find places for rifle training, which should be the "state sport," as it is in Switzerland.
51 posted on 09/24/2003 10:43:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: rmmcdaniell
I pointed this out on another thread, that they wouldn't even be able to do this.

If the numbers remain static and don't improve beyond the first 20,000, you'd be right. But if those 20K first set the example for twenty thousand, fifty thousand, a hundred thousand more, it's not only very possible, but likely that there'll be at least some successful results from the migration of the Porcupines.

I seem to recall that during the Clinton-Bush I election, some 20% of the voters were sufficiently disgusted with the choice between Tweedledum and Tweedledumber that one in five of them voted for a third choice instead.

In 24 months, the FSP picked up the initial 5000 pledged members required to hold the vote selecting the state in which the experiment is to continue; that's a full year ahead of the projected schedule when the planners expected the numbers to be sufficient to be held; sur-prise, sur-prise!

If that snowballing support and attention continues to increase as it has over those last 24 months, look for that pioneering 20,000 to be on board in another 24 months or so, though again, that's well ahead of the planned schedule. But it is not unknown for a popular movement to pick up momentum and support, growing exponentially as the word gets out. And it is indeed getting out.

If so, the first 20,000 will not at all be the cap of the FSP total effective numbers, but just the beginning, and successes in the goal state will likely attract even more supporters. We shall see.

But the growth curve over the last 24 months cannot be ignored. And if it continues? Well, take a look, and figure your own projection from the past results. The numbers show no sign of flattening on the graph....

-archy-/-


52 posted on 09/24/2003 10:46:37 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Travis McGee
It would be tough to get used to the weather, but I'm tilting toward Wyoming. It'll be easier to find places for rifle training, which should be the "state sport," as it is in Switzerland.

I have 640 acres of land in Weston County, south of Newcastle, WY, my Granddad's old WWI Homestead Act tract. You're welcome to come shoot there anytime, whether you prefer to do some half-mile target work or hunt for the pesky elk that infest the area. It's in the Northeast corner of the state, also near Devils Tower, Jewel Cave and Wind Cave, and the Sturgis SD Bikefest.

It's just across the SD state line from the Elk Mountain federal game preserve, and their critters frequently jump the fences and require thinning, lest they spread Brucellosis or other diseases among Wyoming's recovering buffalo herds. It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it, and you get both the meat and some fair hatracks out of the deal.

There's also deer and antelope hunting out that way, and prarie dogs for the varmint eradication inclined. Oh, and the next gully over from the place is Rattlesnake Canyon, if you care for roast buzztail. They make nice belts and hatbands.

-archy-/-

53 posted on 09/24/2003 10:59:17 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
LOL, compared to where I'm sitting, Delaware's climate resembles that of a climatically hostile, frozen world....No offense though.....

Around the corners of Wyoming I expect to land if that state is chosen, you'll find some houses built with a door on the second floor as a means of dealing with winter drifts.

It's not that way all the time, or even every Winter. But if you do resettle there, you do need to keep the possibility of such things coming your way at times in mind.

-archy-/-

54 posted on 09/24/2003 11:02:42 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
These people are stupid. If I was going to pick a state and be a cheerleader for bringing people into it, to change it to a conservative state, it would be a state with the best weather, where you don't freeze your butt off 5 months out a the year, a coast, ports, a place where food can be grown year around etc etc etc.....

Us porcupines got thick fur. And the chilly weather should help keep away some of the riff-raff.


55 posted on 09/24/2003 11:09:13 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: austingirl
Why not Texas?

For one thing, they've got their own project, doing on a county and congressional district level what the FSP is doing nationally. Just as we're picking up some Lone Star Porcupines carrying on the spirit of those who settled Tejas in the 1830s, so too do we expect an initial success in the first pilot free state to be expanded to other locales. And Texas is sure one of 'em; see my FReeper profile page.

But that'll take time and numbers we don't have to get the job done in Texas. Yet.

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56 posted on 09/24/2003 11:13:50 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: jmc813
ping

Gotcha, and thanks. I wanted to get the offishul FSP press release posted, and this article posting compliments it nicely.

-archy-/-

57 posted on 09/24/2003 11:15:26 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Why not Texas?

Looks to me like they only picked places where they will be up to their a$$ in snow much of the year.

Maybe a third of the year, some years, but not all, though there was a freak cold-weather death in Wyoming last month.

But when life hands you lemons, make lemonade. I haven't had my skis out of storage but three times since I got here in Memphis back in '96.

Up to my a$$ in snow? Not this little black duck, buster. I always wanted one of these:


58 posted on 09/24/2003 11:19:50 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
But when life hands you lemons, make lemonade. I haven't had my skis out of storage but three times since I got here in Memphis back in '96.

I suggest you turn them in for water skis, solve the entire problem, and forget the damn snow.

59 posted on 09/24/2003 11:24:28 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: BooBoo1000
Hit the trail for Wyoming.More cows than people, cows probably smarter also. Burn up in the Summer, freeze to the ground in the winter.

Smart Porcupines burrow. Warm!

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60 posted on 09/24/2003 11:36:24 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
Hey archy, I am saving up to go to Wyoming spring 2004, I should FRmail you beforehand, I'd like to check out this half-mile riflerange of yours!

Wyoming was my #2 State.

regards, and thanks for the ping...
61 posted on 09/24/2003 12:28:57 PM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
But when life hands you lemons, make lemonade. I haven't had my skis out of storage but three times since I got here in Memphis back in '96.

I suggest you turn them in for water skis, solve the entire problem, and forget the damn snow.

Water skis? I never heard tell of such a thing! Where in heck do the ski poles go????

Besides, you know what W.C. Fields said about that water stuff....

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62 posted on 09/24/2003 12:31:30 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: churchillbuff
You didn't read very carefully.

A cut off of 1.3 million residents was set early. This was based on the mathematics of the project. 20,000 people will have more impact in a state of 500,000 like Wyoming than in one of 2,000,000 like Nevada.

Basically it failed the population cut. That, and not the drug laws disqualified it.

63 posted on 09/24/2003 2:41:28 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: austingirl
Again, Texas is one of the most populous states. Tens of millions of residents. 20,000 liberty minded people would have ZIP in effect.
64 posted on 09/24/2003 2:43:18 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: archy
Us porcupines got thick fur. And the chilly weather should help keep away some of the riff-raff.

Really? Don't seem to help the porcupines in places like Detroit in winter.....

65 posted on 09/24/2003 5:07:21 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Us porcupines got thick fur. And the chilly weather should help keep away some of the riff-raff.

Really? Don't seem to help the porcupines in places like Detroit in winter.....

Detroit strikes me as a place with some considerable riff-raff problems of its own, though maybe not as bad as in neighboring Lansing.

But Eminem and Michael Moore both come to mind. What is it with the duplicate initials thereabouts, just coincidence, or something nasty in the local water?

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66 posted on 09/24/2003 8:07:42 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Us porcupines got thick fur. And the chilly weather should help keep away some of the riff-raff.

Really? Don't seem to help the porcupines in places like Detroit in winter.....

Detroit strikes me as a place with some considerable riff-raff problems of its own, though maybe not as bad as in neighboring Lansing.

But Eminem and Michael Moore both come to mind. What is it with the duplicate initials thereabouts, just coincidence, or something nasty in the local water?

-archy-/-

67 posted on 09/24/2003 8:07:57 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: rmmcdaniell
rmmcdaniell wrote

<< These people are stupid. If I was going to pick a state and be a cheerleader for bringing people into it, to change it to a conservative state, it would be a state with the best weather, where you don't freeze your butt off 5 months out a the year, a coast, ports, a place where food can be grown year around etc etc etc.....>>

Let's just say we're not going real far out of our way to recruit people who consider climate more important than freedom. I'm glad to see this natural weeding out process taking place.

Our ancestors faced disembowelment, hanging and freezing to *death* so they could fight the British over the Stamp Tax!

But all *we're* going to do is move and participate in the process those anceastors helped give us. Doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice to me, and I'm not planning to listen very closely to anyone who whines about it.
68 posted on 09/26/2003 2:24:15 AM PDT by Dada Orwell
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To: Dada Orwell
I did not write that. That paragraph was written by Joe Hadenuf in post #43. Do know that italics in FR threads mean that I am responding to that particular part of the post?
69 posted on 09/26/2003 4:38:32 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: rmmcdaniell
My mistake rm; sorry.
70 posted on 09/28/2003 12:34:07 AM PDT by Dada Orwell
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New Hampshire was chosen.

About 1,000 people opted out of N.H. but in half a month we've gained back over half those losses and are back up to ~5K members already.

I did some regression analysis on membership growth and it appears to be approximately 8.4%/mo.

At this rate we should hit 20K in around 17 months (March 2005, though the official estimates are late 2005/early 2006).
71 posted on 10/16/2003 8:21:30 PM PDT by StevenA
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