Poll shows Clark moving quickly to top tier of Democratic presidential candidates

SFGATE.com ^ | 9/20/03 | AP - Washington

[NormsRevenge]

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark already appears to be very competitive in a new national poll released Saturday just days after he became the 10th Democratic presidential candidate.

Clark was among the leaders of the Democratic candidates in the Newsweek Poll and was not far behind President Bush in a head-to-head matchup in the poll taken only days after entering the race.

[NormsRevenge]

Wesley "Clinton" Clark

[Phyto Chems]

It's very easy when your dealing with 9 gutter dewellers, to get to the top..... LOL

[Jeff Head]

IMHO, Clark is going to clear the field so as to make room for Hillary accepting a request at the demoratic convention to accept a nomination...either as Clark's VP, or as the Presidential candidate herself.

We shall see.

[AntiGuv]

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. Sept. 18-19, 2003. N=377 registered Democrats and independents who lean Democratic nationwide. MoE ± 6.
					.
"Now I'm going to name 10 Democrats in the race for president. After I read you their names, tell me which ONE you would most like to see nominated as the Democratic Party's presidential candidate in 2004. Here are the choice . . . ." Names rotated
		9/03	7/03	1/03
		%	%	%
	Wesley Clark	14	n/a	n/a
	Howard Dean	12	12	4
	Joe Lieberman	12	13	22
	John Kerry	10	10	13
	Dick Gephardt	8	14	13
	Al Sharpton	7	6	6
	John Edwards	6	6	14
	Bob Graham	4	7	5
	Carol Moseley Braun	2	3	n/a
	Dennis Kucinich	2	2	n/a
	Other (vol.)	1	1	1
	None (vol.)	3	3	4
	Don't know	19	23	13
	Gary Hart	n/a	n/a	5
					.
"Al Gore and Hillary Clinton have both said they will NOT run for president in 2004. If they were both in the race NOW, would either Al Gore or Hillary Clinton be your FIRST CHOICE for the Democratic presidential nomination, or would you prefer another candidate?" If "Yes," probe:  "Which one: Al Gore or Hillary Clinton?"
					.
	Nomination preferences, factoring in Gore and Clinton support:
		%
	Hillary Clinton	33
	Al Gore	28
	Wesley Clark	7
	Howard Dean	7
	Joe Lieberman	5
	John Kerry	5
	John Edwards	2
	Bob Graham	2
	Dick Gephardt	1
	Al Sharpton	1
	Dennis Kucinich	1
	Carol Moseley Braun	-
	None (vol.)	1
	Don't know	7

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. Sept. 18-19, 2003. N=855 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4 (total sample).
						.
"Suppose the next general election for president were being held TODAY and you had to choose between George W. Bush, the Republican, and [see below], the Democrat -- who would you vote for?" If "Other" or "Undecided": "As of TODAY, do you LEAN more toward Bush, the Republican, or [see below], the Democrat?"
						.
		George W. Bush	Wesley Clark	Other (vol.)/ Undecided
		%	%	%
	ALL	47	43	10
	Men	52	41	7
	Women	42	45	13
	Republicans	82	11	7
	Democrats	17	76	7
	Independents	42	44	14
	South	45	47	8
	Non-South	47	41	12
						.
		George W. Bush	Howard Dean	Other (vol.)/ Undecided
		%	%	%
	9/18-19/03	52	38	10
	9/11-12/03	53	37	10
	7/03	53	38	9
						.
		George W. Bush	John Kerry	Other (vol.)/ Undecided
		%	%	%
	9/18-19/03	48	43	9
	7/03	50	42	8
						.
		George W. Bush	Al Gore	Other (vol.)/ Undecided
		%	%	%
	9/18-19/03	48	45	7
	11/02	54	39	7
	10/02	58	36	6
	9/02	58	36	6
						.
		George W. Bush	Hillary Clinton	Other (vol.)/ Undecided
		%	%	%
	9/18-19/03	50	43	7
	9/11-12/03	51	41	8
	11/02	55	40	5
	10/02	58	38	4
						.
"In general, would you like to see George W. Bush reelected to another term as president, or not?"
		Yes	No	Don't Know
		%	%	%
	9/18-19/03	44	50	6
	8/21-22/03	44	49	7
	7/24-25/03	49	43	8
	7/10-11/03	47	46	7
	5/1-2/03	51	38	11
	4/10-11/03	52	38	10
	11/02	49	42	9

[concerned about politics]

Clark was among the leaders of the Democratic candidates in the Newsweek Poll and was not far behind President Bush in a head-to-head matchup in the poll taken only days after entering the race.

News Week actually said Bush was ahead? Isn't that News Week blasphamy? Democrats are always ahead in their polls! Man, that must have really hurt.

[chicagolady]

lol!!

[Radix]

It's very easy when your dealing with 9 gutter dwellers, to get to the top.....

The truth is often so brutal. Well said.

[Dan from Michigan]

Clark IMO is Klintler II. He's even worse than John Sandinista traitorous assclown Kerry.

[concerned about politics]

Hey Dean : Put some ice on it.

[Clintonfatigued]

Clearly, Wesley Clark is by far the toughest candidate the 'Rats could come up with. His status as a four-star general gives him credibility on national security that the others could never have. Furthermore, I don't think he'd be fool enough to pick Hitlery Clinton as his running mate--she is too divisive. I expect he'll choose someone like who appears moderate, like Bob Graham or Evan Bayh. In addition, the 50-50 nation that America was in the 2000 election still stands, with a VERY slight advantage for the Republicans.

[Michael Barnes]

Furthermore, I don't think he'd be fool enough to pick Hitlery Clinton as his running mate--she is too divisive

She may be, but this goes much, much deeper. Clark was part of pulling the trigger at WACO. Clark was fired by Clinton. It's almost to hear the conversation in the Oval Office during Clinton's term, Clinton tell's Clark he's gotta fire him to Cover his (Cinton's) ass. In return, Clinton will make nice later. Or, Clark can have a nice plot at Fort Marcy Park.

Your looking at our contenders. Clark/Clinton '04. Hillary! needs Clark's legitamacy of military to make this work. Clark is a puppet. Hell, the guy was taken to the wood shed by the press once already when ambushed with questions and having to "call" someone to see if ti was okay to answer them.

Hillary! will run on the VP ticket, but ultimately own the Whitehouse behind the scene.

[NormsRevenge]

Hillary! will run on the VP ticket, .

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I hope she doesn't toss out Nancy Reagan's china ... or did she already haul it off in January 2001:-?

[Jumper]

Clark only needs one type of right stuff, e.g., money and someone to endore him. He has no money.... But he has the Clintons! This is the Wrong Stuff and the entire Country will feel the pain should Bill & Hill swing this deal!!!

[concerned about politics]

The Bible says "fear not" 365 times.

[spokeshave]

Clark won't go anywhere unless he appears with Greyout Davis.

[concerned about politics]

Clark won't go anywhere unless he appears with Greyout Davis.

Speaking of Davis tax and spend, The press needs to ask Clark how he feels about universal health care (and gay marraige).

[Jumper]

I like the idea of a political general for the democrats to delude themselves with. Having spent 20-years on active duty, and another 8 years around DOD, coupled with the privilege of having served in a unit where Clark's travel budget was overspent resulting in no training as he prepared to leave NATO - I know this guy is fiscal loser, an idealogically out of step with reality loser, and being from Arkansas (Friend of Bill) makes him much too dangerous for even a democrat to consider.

[river rat]

I'm counting on Dean to rip the lower intestinal track out of Clark ---- the hard way!

This could be fun to watch, but keep the children away from the TV...

Just remember -- even Clinton would not leave Clark in command of NATO -- and now they present him as one who can lead the Nation!

Semper Fi

[Mike Darancette]

Gephardt, Graham and don't know suffered most.

[AntiGuv]

Actually, Dean probably suffered quite a bit as well. Note that the previous Newsweek figures are from all the way back in July. Dean's numbers have spiked in all the other polls since then, so if the Newsweek poll is giving Dean the same numbers in September as he had in July, he's probably losing support to Clark but it's just not obvious in superficial comparison.

[Fledermaus]

Clark is a Clinton puppet. He is not in charge.

[Atchafalaya]

"Elk don't know how many legs a horse has" ?. Or something like that from the Jeremirah Johnson novel. Decoy, stalking horse, scarecrow, smoke and mirrors, etc. If I were the rest of the candidates I'd be beyound pissed. Think they will express their displeasure, not! Shows what pussies they are.

[Atchafalaya]

A frontal lobotomy is is in the air. Oops, the Clintons/DNC took care of that for Clark so Dean will go after the medulla oblongata and put Clark to rest.

[Atchafalaya]

I didn't know that, but I remind myself every day I have faith in Jesus.

[GOPyouth]

A nation-wide poll doesn't mean sh!t when it comes to primaries. It's all about the individual states, especially right now. A winner of a couple of primaries in the beginning can kill the chances of the rest of the bunch. Clark will have a hard time beating Dean if Dean pulls of several wins.

[Atchafalaya]

AND QUICK;just to get it on record!

[auntdot]

Wesley Clark has been lionized by the media.

With a mediocre Democratic field and little to write about, the press could type in their stories from their usual watering holes.

And the know nothings, the folks who two weeks ago could not have told you who Wesley Clark was, respond to polls by echoing the one name they can remember.

It is easy to write an article about will he or won't he. Heck, you don't need to do any research to find out his stances on the issues, after all he has not yet declared.

It is what journalism students learn in Reportage 402, aka Independent Study with Jason Blair.

But now that he is in the mix, his blood will be in the water and the reportorial sharks will start ripping this guy to shreds.

And his numbers will predictably drop.

[JLAGRAYFOX]

Wesley Clark is a "Clinton" puppet! If he is at the head of the Democrat list so quickly it does not say much for the other nine dwarf "traitor" Democrat candidates. If the American people are so dumb and foolish to vote for any Democrat, they will be voting for the demise of America and their own lives and the lives of their children!

[CyberCowboy777]

It is hard to argue that Iraq was a disaster when, in the crappy little war you, General Clark, presided over, the most powerful military on the planet took 78 days of aerial bombardment to destroy just over a dozen tanks; hard to argue that our boys shouldn't be getting picked off on the ground in Iraq when in your war they stayed up at 15,000 feet, nights only, bombing hospitals, commuter trains, refugee convoys, the Chinese embassy, etc; hard to argue that Iraq wasn't worth it when, by most accounts, there's more ethnic cleansing (Muslims against Christians) going on in "liberated" Kosovo than there was in Slobo's day.

Mark Steyn: Here comes General Clark, his policies will follow shortly The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 09/21/03 | Mark Steyn

Write to the Editor of your local paper - the sooner this is pounded in the blooder the primary will, be weakening Dean and Wes.

[Timesink]

This poll is nothing more than a sign of name recognition. More voters have actually heard of Wesley Clark (before Weaselly entered the race, 2/3 of RAT voters couldn't name a single RAT candidate), and there hasn't been any time for ANY bad news about him (of which there is a lot) to get out, so many people automatically chose him. Once more information starts to circulate about what a freak he is (and when he bombs in the debate next week, if he even shows up), his numbers will drop quite a bit.

[Tarl]

When you compare our President in crisis and what W. "No thrill" Clark has done in the face of adversity, President Bush has the clear advantage. As many have noted, the fence sitters need to be informed. Clark may have Clinton backing but the President has his own "ace to play"...in six months the economy will be ringing quite loudly irregardless of the media's attempts to suppress it. Supply side tax cuts will exhonerate the President!

(Drudge Report Excerpt)
As Nato's K-For peacekeepers prepared to enter the province on 12 June, they discovered the Russians had got there first.
A contingent of 200 troops, stationed in Bosnia, was already rolling towards Pristina airport.

'Third World War'
General Wesley Clark, Nato's supreme commander, immediately ordered 500 British and French paratroopers to be put on standby to occupy the airport.
''I called the [Nato] Secretary General [Javier Solana] and told him what the circumstances were,'' General Clark tells the BBC programme Moral Combat: Nato at War.
''He talked about what the risks were and what might happen if the Russian's got there first, and he said: 'Of course you have to get to the airport'.
''I said: 'Do you consider I have the authority to do so?' He said: 'Of course you do, you have transfer of authority'.''

But General Clark's plan was blocked by General Sir Mike Jackson, K-For's British commander.
"I'm not going to start the Third World War for you," he reportedly told General Clark during one heated exchange.
General Jackson tells the BBC: ''We were [looking at] a possibility....of confrontation with the Russian contingent which seemed to me probably not the right way to start off a relationship with Russians who were going to become part of my command.''

Russian plans
The Russian advance party took the airport unopposed. The world watched nervously.
A senior Russian officer, General Leonid Ivashev, tells the BBC how the Russians had plans to fly in thousands of troops.
''Let's just say that we had several airbases ready. We had battalions of paratroopers ready to leave within two hours,'' he said.

Amid fears that Russian aircraft were heading for Pristina, General Clark planned to order British tanks and armoured cars to block the runways to prevent any transport planes from landing.
General Clark said he believed it was ''an appropriate course of action''. But the plan was again vetoed by Britain.

[Caipirabob]

Hillary! will run on the VP ticket...

If that's the case Clark better not embark on any "small, frail aircraft tours" and grow eyes in the back of his head.

[wunderkind54]

This just shows that not only cream floats to the top...!

[randita]

It's hard to take any poll of Democrats seriously when just a couple of weeks ago, a poll showed that about 2/3 of Democrats could not name even one Democrat primary candidate.

[randog]

Gosh, you throw a candidate into the soup that has made his position known on nothing and he shoots straight to the top. Is Clark that "unknown democratic candidate" in the polls that always beats Bush? Now, if Clark can only maintain that platform.....

[finnman69]

thsi si funny, the Deanos are going to go postal.

[nina0113]

I think she's going to accept the VP slot, then depending on how Bush is polling, one of these things will happen:

Bush polling badly: Clark will have a major health problem forcing him to drop out, & she'll step up.

Bush polling well: Clark takes the fall in 04, but Hillary lines up the nomination in 08.

[finnman69]

Except Clark was buddy buddy with a war criminal...Ratko Mladic was Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic's army chief throughout the Bosnian war. Along with Mr Karadzic he has come to symbolise the Serb campaign of ethnic cleansing of Croats and Muslims and is one of the most wanted suspects from the Bosnia conflict. He has been indicted by the UN war crimes tribunal on charges of genocide and other crimes against humanity - including the massacre of thousands of Muslim men from the town of Srebrenica in 1995.

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[finnman69]

Meanwhile Scumbag Clinton is calling for the arrest of Ratko Mladic whom his boy Gen. Wesley Clark played hat trade with.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1512&ncid=703&e=11&u=/afp/20030920/wl_afp/bosnia_srebrenica_us_clinton

Clinton urges reconciliation in Bosnia, arrest of war crimes suspects

Sat Sep 20,11:55 AM ET Add World - AFP to My Yahoo!

SREBRENICA, Bosnia-Hercegovina (AFP) - Former US president Bill Clinton (news - web sites) urged reconciliation among Bosnia's three ethnic communities at the site of Europe's worst atrocity since World War II, calling for the arrest of those responsible for the Srebrenica massacre.

"For much of its history Bosniacs (Muslims), Croats and Serbs have lived together in peace," Clinton said at a ceremony marking the opening of a memorial cemetery for the more than 7,000 victims, attended by some 20,000 Bosnian Muslims.

He stressed that the US-brokered peace agreement ending Bosnia's 1992-1995 war, which pitted the three ethnic communities against each other, gave people "a chance but not the guarantee to live that way once again."

"I hope you can build on the bedrock of Srebrenica in Bosnia-Hercegovina a place where all children are safe and loved and able to live out their dreams," he stressed, speaking on a stage in front of which the remains of 107 Srebrenica victims, wrapped in green cloth, were placed on the ground before burial.

But the former president stressed that those allegedly responsible for the massacre, which he described as a "genocidal madness," were still on the run, more than eight years after Srebrenica.

"Those most responsible for the atrocities, the leaders have not been apprehended. The search for them must continue until they are," Clinton said, in a clear reference to Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic.

Interpol wanted page for Ratko Mladic

[finnman69]

Meanwhile Scumbag Clinton is calling for the arrest of Ratko Mladic whom his boy Gen. Wesley Clark played hat trade with.

On August 27, 1994, Clark, then director of strategy, plans and policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, went to Banja Luka - and met with Ratko Mladic, the bloodstained military leader of the Bosnian Serbs. (My note: everybody apparently forgets that before Serbia's the aggression in Bosnia the same Ratko Mladic was military commander of the Serbian army ("Yugoslav Peoples Army") in Croatia and conducted large scale massacres of Croatian civillians there, especially in the ethnically "cleansed of Croatian population "Krajina", another Serb-proclaimed "republic"). The State Departement had advised against the meeting, on account of Mladic's well-documented war crimes in Gorazde, Srebrenica and Sarajevo. Still, Clark and Mladic had a jolly time. Mladic gave Clark some plum brandy and a pistol with a Cyrillic inscription, and the two merrily swapped military hats. What do you do with a man with that kind of moral cluelessness? Promote him.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1512&ncid=703&e=11&u=/afp/20030920/wl_afp/bosnia_srebrenica_us_clinton

Clinton urges reconciliation in Bosnia, arrest of war crimes suspects

Sat Sep 20,11:55 AM ET Add World - AFP to My Yahoo!

SREBRENICA, Bosnia-Hercegovina (AFP) - Former US president Bill Clinton (news - web sites) urged reconciliation among Bosnia's three ethnic communities at the site of Europe's worst atrocity since World War II, calling for the arrest of those responsible for the Srebrenica massacre.

"For much of its history Bosniacs (Muslims), Croats and Serbs have lived together in peace," Clinton said at a ceremony marking the opening of a memorial cemetery for the more than 7,000 victims, attended by some 20,000 Bosnian Muslims.

He stressed that the US-brokered peace agreement ending Bosnia's 1992-1995 war, which pitted the three ethnic communities against each other, gave people "a chance but not the guarantee to live that way once again."

"I hope you can build on the bedrock of Srebrenica in Bosnia-Hercegovina a place where all children are safe and loved and able to live out their dreams," he stressed, speaking on a stage in front of which the remains of 107 Srebrenica victims, wrapped in green cloth, were placed on the ground before burial.

But the former president stressed that those allegedly responsible for the massacre, which he described as a "genocidal madness," were still on the run, more than eight years after Srebrenica.

"Those most responsible for the atrocities, the leaders have not been apprehended. The search for them must continue until they are," Clinton said, in a clear reference to Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic.

Interpol wanted page for Ratko Mladic

[deport]

This poll is 'quackery' at it's best..... 377 respondants and a MOE of 6.....

The objective: Asked enough people until Clark gets in the lead then stop........

[ImphClinton]

Another article talks about a falling out between Clinton and Clark.

Course Politics makes strange bedfellows.

[NormsRevenge]

It's hard to take any poll of Democrats seriously when just a couple of weeks ago, a poll showed that about 2/3 of Democrats could not name even one Democrat primary candidate.

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Bingo!

Why do you think I'm not sweating the polls in California or polls in general... :-)

Polls only serve to sway public opinion of the uninformed masses and should not be the basis on which one cast their vote or how their nation is to conduct itself in foreign and domestic affairs, imo.

I remember that poll. Thanks! :-)

[JohnnyZ]

Clearly, Wesley Clark is by far the toughest candidate the 'Rats could come up with.

He is a Dope.