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Charlie Rangel (D-Al Qaeda): "Clark can save this G*dd*amn Nation from self-destruction"
Time Magazine ^ | September 21, 2003 | KAREN TUMULTY

Posted on 09/21/2003 7:02:09 AM PDT by nwrep


Sunday, Sep. 21, 2003
The General Jumps In

Wes Clark has launched a presidential bid that has a four-star luster. But is the antiwar general prepared for this kind of battle?

By

KAREN TUMULTY

Wesley Clark was top of his class at West Point, a Rhodes scholar, a decorated four-star general and the man who humbled Slobodan Milosevic when Clark was Supreme Allied Commander in Europe. But if he made any impression at all on many Americans, it happened after he retired and found stardom on cnn as one of the smoothest and most antiwar of the corps of generals turned commentators during the Iraq war. So maybe it was not such a surprise that just 11/2 hours after Clark made another career leap last week, he could be found in his spartan Little Rock, Ark., office, remote control in hand, transfixed by the talking heads' first take on his newborn presidential campaign. "A placeholder for Hillary Rodham Clinton," Pat Buchanan huffed from the screen. "I think we're seeing the idea percolating here of a Clinton-Clark ticket." Clark sighed and hit the mute button. "Oh, brother," he said. "Politics."

Welcome aboard, sir. Clark's announcement that he was running landed like a rocket-propelled grenade in the messy bunker that is the Democratic presidential field. He's off to a late start, but thanks to an Internet-driven draft movement, Clark has the beginnings of an organization and the promise of millions of dollars. Making the rounds of Democratic salons in New York and Los Angeles in recent weeks, he has wowed some of the people who could gather millions more. Within 24 hours of getting into the race, Clark had a list of congressional endorsements more impressive than anyone else's except former House Democratic leader Dick Gephardt's.

But politics quickly proved a trickier terrain for the telegenic antiwar general than even the battlefields of Yugoslavia. Only a day after his announcement, Clark told reporters on his campaign plane that if he had been in Congress last fall, he probably would have voted for the resolution authorizing President Bush to use force in Iraq. In a single sentence he had undermined the rationale for his whole candidacy—at least for those who saw him as Howard Dean with stars and a war record. Clark seems to have realized this himself, for the next day he reversed course. "I would never have voted for this war," he told the Associated Press. "I've gotten a very consistent record on this." His flip-flop delighted some of his rivals. "If it doesn't get any better than the first 24 hours," says a strategist for another Democrat, "he's going to be gone in two weeks." Dean's campaign manager, Joe Trippi, is warier. "The other campaigns make a mistake if they don't take him seriously," Trippi says. "It's going to take a month or two to know what to make of him."

What's most striking about the Clark boomlet is how little his supporters really know about the candidate in whom they have invested such sudden and stratospheric hopes—a man who didn't declare himself a Democrat until a few weeks ago and who says he isn't sure whether he voted for a Democrat for President before Bill Clinton ran.

"He can save this goddam nation from self-destruction," declares New York Congressman Charles Rangel, who is arranging a meeting for Clark with the Congressional Black Caucus, possibly as early as this week. But Rangel acknowledges that he has never met Clark in person (they have talked on the phone) and didn't know a thing about Clark until he started catching the general's criticism of the Iraq war on cnn. The same was true of Sylvia Gillis, 57, an insurance broker who was among the 50 or so people who gathered to toast Clark's candidacy last Wednesday night at Frankie Z's Clark Bar in Chicago. "My mouth dropped open—a military man taking this antiwar position," she said. "He seemed honest, trustworthy, well versed and intellectual. My dream come true."

In fact, for Gillis and others like her who joined the draft-Clark movement that sprang up over the Internet this summer, there was something of a Field of Dreams quality to it all. They had built it; he had come. In that sense, the Clark blitz has less to do with the candidate than it does with the political landscape around him. Even as Democrats are beginning to believe for the first time that President Bush may actually be vulnerable, they are increasingly worried that they have not yet seen the Democrat who can beat him. Many are intrigued by the excitement and money that Dean has generated but are concerned that Dean is too dovish, too insubstantial, too cranky to survive the first presidential contest of the post-9/11 era. As for the rest of the field, it looks like a blur to most voters. "Frankly, none of them have gotten people very excited," says Eli Broad, a billionaire Los Angeles philanthropist who is one of the party's largest and most influential donors. "Wes Clark just might do it."

Adding luster to Clark's aura with dissatisfied Democrats is the perception that he is running with the benediction of Bill and Hillary Clinton. The former President has certainly stoked this impression; he has been talking up Clark's virtues in public and private for months, and a few weeks ago, he declared that his wife and Clark were the "two stars" of the Democratic Party. And no one could fail to notice that the Clark effort is salted with operatives from the campaigns of Clinton and Al Gore, like Mickey Kantor and Mark Fabiani.

The suppositions have left the Clintons in a difficult spot, say some of their associates. They don't want to say anything that makes them look as if they are distancing themselves from Clark, but they are uncomfortable with the perception that they favor him over any other candidate. Says an adviser to Hillary Clinton: "She just wants one of them to emerge, and just wants one of them to beat Bush." It appears that Hillary's husband knows which Democrat he wants to emerge: the junior Senator from New York. Two sources close to the Clintons have told TIME that the former President has been urging his wife in private to reconsider her pledge not to run for President in 2004 and pondering the most feasible way for her to back out of it.

For all the excitement he generated with his announcement, Clark's first days as a candidate were anything but smooth. Besides his waffle on the Iraq vote, he seemed uncertain about how to answer some straightforward questions that more experienced candidates handle with ease. When the Miami Herald asked his position on the death penalty, Clark endorsed a moratorium on executions, then pleaded, "Stop. Stop. I promised I wasn't going to take a strong position." His campaign first said he would participate with the nine others in this week's Democratic debate in New York, then said he wouldn't because he was committed to making a paid speech in Texas, then reversed again and said he would.

The mishaps did little to quell the private talk in Washington that Clark is a little bit, well, odd. Some saw a touch of Ross Perot in the man who implied in June that the Bush White House had pressured him to link 9/11 to Saddam Hussein, and then backtracked by saying the call had actually come from a Canadian think tank with access to "inside intelligence information." He also claimed the Administration had tried to get him fired from cnn. Clark insisted to TIME that he had never said that was anything more than a rumor.

On a post-announcement swing through Florida and Iowa, Clark deflected questions on issues that ranged from aids in Africa to the Patriot Act. But that did not dampen the enthusiasm of the supporters who greeted him wherever he went. "National security will be the primary topic during next year's election, and I believe he is the person who can beat George Bush," said Kate Lawrence, 52, a secretary from Dubuque who was part of the overflow crowd at a long-scheduled lecture Clark delivered Friday at the University of Iowa. A sampling of the audience's views suggests that Clark may be drawing supporters who might otherwise have gone to Dean or Massachusetts Senator John Kerry.

But it is fair to ask whether Clark will continue to appear so attractive as a candidate if things start looking up in Iraq. In his hour-long interview, Clark said he expects them to. "I want the United States to succeed," he said, adding that by the time the election rolls around, "I would be surprised if they hadn't achieved substantial troop reductions."

But a pacified Iraq, he insisted, does not change his rationale for running or his critique of the Bush Administration's foreign policy as both simplistic and destructive. "The election is about how to take the country forward," he said. "What's your real strategy for going after al-Qaeda now? Do you continue to take down states? Since we've gobbled up Iraq, why don't you send two divisions into Syria and take Syria out, and then drive over the pass to Beirut, sweep down into the Litani Valley and take out the Hizballah from the rear? It sounds logical, plain, neat and simple, but nothing ever is."

Clark is a smaller man than he appears to be on television, and more intense. As he talks, he leans forward on the front edge of his chair, elbows on knees, pulling out his buzzing Blackberry every few moments. (His campaign staff is threatening to take it away from him.) He is clearly at ease with some domestic policy issues—dissecting the Bush tax cut, for instance, and citing a string of figures to explain why he wants to retain the breaks for the middle class while eliminating the ones for high-income Americans. On other subjects—health care and education, for example—his positions have not yet congealed, though he promises they will soon. And he has a depth of knowledge that can surprise people. When asked about forestry issues during a small dinner two weeks ago in Los Angeles, he said, "Do you want me to describe it vis-a-vis Idaho or Utah or Montana?"

Clark may be new to politics, but he insists he has done a risk assessment like any prudent general. "It isn't like any other endeavor," he says. "It's enormously complicated. You're dealing with a lot of factors you don't understand." At one point when he was trying to decide whether to run, his wife Gert suggested that he put all his thoughts on paper. Clark tried but then discarded his notes. "I realized I couldn't quite get it down," he says. Is he too late? Too untested? Too new to the game? "You just basically have to announce," Clark says, "and take your chances."

—With reporting by Steve Barnes/ Little Rock, Simon Crittle/ New York, Kristin Kloberdanz/ Chicago, Betsy Rubiner/ Iowa City, Viveca Novak and Michael Weisskopf/ Washington and Jeffrey Ressner/ Los Angeles


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2004; alqaeda; antiwargeneral; britain; cbc; clintonalumni; clintonhaters; electionpresident; saceur; treason; wesleyclark
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Treasonous bastard, Saddam loving Al Qaeda political operative Rangel opens his ugly mouth again....
1 posted on 09/21/2003 7:02:10 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: *Clinton Alumni; *Clinton Haters; *Election President
Ping for more evidence of treason from liberals....
2 posted on 09/21/2003 7:03:20 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: nwrep
"My mouth dropped open—a military man taking this antiwar position," she said. "He seemed honest, trustworthy, well versed and intellectual. My dream come true."

"You can fool some of the people all of the time..."

3 posted on 09/21/2003 7:09:42 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: nwrep
Treasonous bastard...

Your words are a gross affront to treasonous bastards everywhere (and far to kind to rangle).

4 posted on 09/21/2003 7:10:41 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: nwrep
What a dim sockpuppet this Tumulty is!

HF
5 posted on 09/21/2003 7:12:04 AM PDT by holden
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To: tbpiper
Rangel referred to Oday and Qusay as 'kids' and said we should have been ashamed for killing them.

Rangel is one america hating ba$tard.

6 posted on 09/21/2003 7:12:23 AM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: nwrep
"He can save this goddam nation from self-destruction,"

Only if he starts by waging war against CR.

7 posted on 09/21/2003 7:12:28 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: nwrep
Charlie Rangel (D-Al Qaeda):

BWAHAHAHAHA!!

Rangel takes a page out of the playbook from Sharpton, Jackasson, Lee, Clark (Ramsay)Ok, (Wesley), Garofalo, Bagala, and the other looney left spaztics!

8 posted on 09/21/2003 7:13:06 AM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: nwrep
"I think we're seeing the idea percolating here of a Clinton-Clark ticket." Clark sighed and hit the mute button...

...more in sorry than in anger. (/sarcasm)

9 posted on 09/21/2003 7:14:36 AM PDT by yankeedame ("I assure you I was just whistling for a cab.")
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To: nwrep
I deeply resent Rangle calling the USA "goddam nation". This pig slipped and revealed his disrespect for America.
10 posted on 09/21/2003 7:14:42 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: nwrep
I have noticed lately, in his appearences on Hannity and Colmes, that Charlie Rangel seems to have gone 'round the bend. :))
11 posted on 09/21/2003 7:15:02 AM PDT by veronica (http://www.PetitionOnline.com/bombings/petition.html - Homicide bombings = war crimes - sign this!)
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To: veronica
I have noticed lately, in his appearences on Hannity and Colmes, that Charlie Rangel seems to have gone 'round the bend. :)) ....................


Senile frothing spewing spittle just like Yasser Arafat.
12 posted on 09/21/2003 7:16:12 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: All
It's said that if you want to know the character of a person, just ask those who have worked under them ... and so far, I haven't heard any of Clark's former staffers speak out with anything good to say about him, unless being repeatedly described an arrogant, self-serving, egomaniac is something of which one can be proud.
13 posted on 09/21/2003 7:18:39 AM PDT by RedsHunter
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To: nwrep
The people is as stupid as he is for electing him{charles rangel}How can anyone with self respect and love of country say i voted for this ass.
14 posted on 09/21/2003 7:21:14 AM PDT by solo gringo (Always Ranting Always Rite)
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To: nwrep
``I can do any God^^^^^d thing I want. I'm President of the United States. I take care of my friends and I f^^k with my enemies. That's the way it is. Anybody who doesn't like it can take a hike.'' -Bill Clinton, in a White House staff meeting, as reported by Capitol Hill Blue's Doug Thompson in his column on 1999-Apr-8, regarding sicking the IRS on Ken Starr

Wonder where they get this stuff from?

15 posted on 09/21/2003 7:25:45 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ("There are none so blind who will not see")
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To: nwrep
Rangel has never forgiven this nation, for not realizing what a genius he was...

He is such a bitter man....it serves him right..

The democrat "leaders" all need to be flushed down the toilet, like the American hating turds they have become..

Semper Fi
16 posted on 09/21/2003 7:26:06 AM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: nwrep
Typical example of political bigotry, wherein Republican bombs are bad, Democrat bombs are good. I'd like to see some photographs of dead Serbs - old men, women, and children - that were killed because of Wesley Clark. I thought killing innocent people was bad.....?
17 posted on 09/21/2003 7:27:13 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: nwrep
"He can save this goddam nation from self-destruction," declares New York Congressman Charles Rangel, who is arranging a meeting for Clark with the Congressional Black Caucus.

So Rangel is gonna arrange a meetin' with the black poobahs in congrees so Clark can save this “goddam nation”. This is priceless. Hasn't Rangel and his cronies done enough to damn this nation already!?

18 posted on 09/21/2003 7:27:39 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Gen'ral Clark is here to dance for us... yuk yuk yuk!”)
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"He can save this goddam nation from self-destruction," declares New York Congressman Charles Rangel,

He is such a horses ass...... But it is great to see him show his true colors. Keep him in the spotlight and it'll keep the dems in the shadows....

19 posted on 09/21/2003 7:29:23 AM PDT by b4its2late (Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.)
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To: johnny7
The Congressional Black Caucus: Fifth Column in Congress?
20 posted on 09/21/2003 7:30:37 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: nwrep
"National security will be the primary topic during next year's election, and I believe he is the person who can beat George Bush," said Kate Lawrence, 52, a secretary from Dubuque...

Hey Kate, what planet are you from? Unless something dramatic happens and several million new jobs appear in the next nine months or so, the 2004 election will be all about the economy.

Charlie Rangel is WORSE than a treasonous bastard.

21 posted on 09/21/2003 7:31:16 AM PDT by upchuck (The Palis are a bunch of wackos with a 14th Century mentality and 20th Century toys. Kill 'em.)
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To: nwrep
" ... pulling out his buzzing Blackberry ... "

What the heck is that? Sounds rather elitist to me.
22 posted on 09/21/2003 7:34:32 AM PDT by AngrySpud
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To: RedsHunter
" ... just ask those who have worked under him ... "

Excellent point. Though I have a feeling he will dig up an old buddy from his Vietnam service who can be quoted favorably.
23 posted on 09/21/2003 7:37:51 AM PDT by AngrySpud
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To: nwrep
Thank you Mr. Rangel for the soundbyte. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
24 posted on 09/21/2003 7:41:55 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: dennisw
Rangle calling the USA "goddam nation". This pig slipped and revealed his disrespect for America.

Not to mention the Almighty.

25 posted on 09/21/2003 7:47:48 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: veronica
"I have noticed lately, in his appearences on Hannity and Colmes, that Charlie Rangel seems to have gone 'round the bend."

Like most of the other Rats, Charlie Rangel's choo-choo has gone around the bend and came off the tracks.

26 posted on 09/21/2003 7:50:48 AM PDT by AF68
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To: nwrep
Well, if this "nation" is "goddamn" it's because it's populated with shitbags like Charlie Rangle.
27 posted on 09/21/2003 7:53:27 AM PDT by clintonh8r (A gentleman knows something about everything and everything about something.)
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To: nwrep
"I want the United States to succeed."

Really? I don't think any Democrat really does.

I am so glad this quote from Rangel appeared in Time magazine. I hope it wakes even more people up to how traitorous liberal democrats can be.
28 posted on 09/21/2003 7:54:17 AM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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To: SkyPilot
You are right about that. Rangel shows his disdain for G_D and America. I may cuss but I never say what Rangel did.
29 posted on 09/21/2003 7:55:14 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: nwrep
I've yet to hear a member of the US military (even some who served with Clark and respect
his service) say that it's a good idea for him to run for President.
30 posted on 09/21/2003 7:55:37 AM PDT by VOA
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To: nwrep

(D-Al Qaeda)


31 posted on 09/21/2003 7:56:41 AM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: AngrySpud
"What the heck is that? Sounds rather elitist to me."

It is. They are little palm-pilot like things. I don't know if there is much difference between on and another, besides brand names. You can get e-mail on them, and they are organizers, I guess by now some give you internet access too.

32 posted on 09/21/2003 7:59:50 AM PDT by jocon307 (how much trouble is THIS post going to get me in?)
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To: AngrySpud
It's the Personal Digital Assistant through which Gail usually "talks" to him.

HF

33 posted on 09/21/2003 8:01:02 AM PDT by holden
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To: nwrep
While your title is quite descriptive, please include the original title in the future and put stuff like what the Al-Qaida representative said in parentheses in the future. It helps the search engine out a lot.
34 posted on 09/21/2003 8:04:55 AM PDT by steveegg (I have one thing to say to the big spenders; BLIZZARD OF RECALL TOUR!)
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To: upchuck
I'll never understand how someone can be so concerned about national security then say she wants someone to beat Bush. This nation has been pretty damn secure since 9/11. I think the most important campaign issue to this old bag Kate is getting rid of Bush.
35 posted on 09/21/2003 8:05:56 AM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: nwrep
"He can save this goddam nation from self-destruction,"

I always felt proud to be a parted of such a blessed nation. This statement alone, in my view, qualifies this men to be recalled.

36 posted on 09/21/2003 8:07:54 AM PDT by TopQuark
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"He can save this goddam nation from self-destruction,"

Even the conservatives seem to miss this important point: that is exacly what was said to support the advancement of Hitler in Germany.

37 posted on 09/21/2003 8:09:43 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.


38 posted on 09/21/2003 8:14:27 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: nwrep
Well if clark has a meeting with rangle he definitly will be meeting with the "black kakka's".
39 posted on 09/21/2003 8:15:34 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: upchuck
"...several million new jobs appear in the next nine months or so, the 2004 election will be all about the economy."


Just because something was true in the past, does not mean it will be true in the future, especially when you are dealing with people.

Clinton was able to win over the first Bush (with a lot of help from his friends in the media). That does not mean that the current President Bush will lose over the economy.

There are many more factors in play, then simply the economy. Perhaps after the 2004 elections, the common wisdom will catch up to the shift that took place first with the internet, and sites like FreeRepublic, and second with 9/11.

40 posted on 09/21/2003 8:16:18 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: nwrep
A liberal shet bag actually said GOD? You mean rangler admits there is a GOD? The Rats are so out of joint I suppose anything is possible. Asseholes
41 posted on 09/21/2003 8:22:15 AM PDT by airstrike
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To: SerpentDove

Pentangeli ping.

42 posted on 09/21/2003 8:27:55 AM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: nwrep
TREASON PING!
43 posted on 09/21/2003 8:30:23 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: tbpiper
Charlie, Al, Jesse, Maxine... oh well. Morons all. Then you got Kerry, Clark, and the other eight. Combination of dolts, liars, and treasonous bastards.
44 posted on 09/21/2003 8:33:31 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: OldFriend
Rangel is one america hating ba$tard.

Probably because the bastard is a dolt, and never worked a day in his life; like his other moronic friends, Al, and Jesse. I'd be surprised if he can spell his own name.

45 posted on 09/21/2003 8:37:05 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Where can I find that article of Clinton's ranting that you describe?
46 posted on 09/21/2003 8:40:26 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: AngrySpud
" ... pulling out his buzzing Blackberry ... "

Is that similar to Monica pulling out Bill's honeysuckle?

47 posted on 09/21/2003 8:43:25 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: nwrep
If this was white, he would've been tossed out on his long ago. But your typical Republican politician is nothing but an impotent and I for one am sick of their .

Homosexuals are on the attack, illegal aliens can get driver's licences, EVERY minority known to man is screaming Discrimination!!!!!, the Supreme Court is looking to European laws and mores to interpret our laws, the Democrats are blocking ANY AND EVERY attempt the conservatives make to legislate, and us silent majority-types have no one with enough courage . . . no one with enough lead in their pencil . . . no one with enough gonads to stand up and scream . . . .

Republicans have worn the "guilty conscience" cloak for long enough. I didn't own any slaves and I've never kept ANY minority down in my life . . . and Charlie Rangel doesn't get a pass from me. I have a brother who announced, after 20+ years of marriage, that he's gay but dammit, folks, homosexuality is still not an acceptable lifestyle and I'm sick of the perverts dictating the nation discourse on the subject . . . until God personally issues an amended version of The Bible, homosexuality is a sin!

I'm sick of being silent! I'm sick of the Euro-wannabe perverts gnawing at my ass and country with impunity.

We're the United States of America! The greatest country the world has ever known! Why in the hell would I want to copy France's way of doing things? A third-rate country with a third-world economy and a first-class case of the teenie-weenie complex? No thanks.

And you, Charlie Rangel, are nothing but a divisive, hate-mongering racist and you can . . . .

48 posted on 09/21/2003 8:53:41 AM PDT by geedee (Us pro-lifers would've made an exception for Pee Wee Clinton if we'd known.)
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To: clintonh8r
Well, if this "nation" is "goddamn" it's because it's populated with shitbags like Charlie Rangle.

I normally try to refrain from the profane . . . but well said, well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

49 posted on 09/21/2003 8:56:52 AM PDT by geedee (Us pro-lifers would've made an exception for Pee Wee Clinton if we'd known.)
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To: dennisw
Love your tag line:G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations.
Rangle brings to mind Nimrod though.
50 posted on 09/21/2003 8:59:03 AM PDT by novice2
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